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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:39:51 PM   
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When all you halfwit far left trolls come rolling out for your usual derail?

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Always my favorite part of the thread....




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:40:53 PM   
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Media Matters is pretty far left lucy, and they're there for spin.

Here are a couple of other sources for the same story:


http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-america-refused-international-help-on-the-oil-spill-2010-6

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/05/06/us_not_accepting_foreign_help_on_oil_spill



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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:41:35 PM   
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They all apply to you more than anyone else in this thread, Tim.

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Case in point! Dead on on all counts.


Another case in point!

This is too easy.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You, like this thread, ignore the points and even, like this thread, the entire issue.

That's because your entire resources consist of:

*changing the subject
*deny, deflect, derail
*complaining about Obama--and some silly thing, not actual policy
*complaining "But Mom! Those other posters did it too!"
*complaining that all the people in the thread are trolls
*calling them names when that doesn't work
*trying to pretend you don't by claiming other people are doing the above instead
*continually going after a few posters you personally dislike, regardless of content
*repeating jokes/satire you've heard as if "news" or "analysis"

Never an argument, never solid source support, never a close look at the points---you don't need to, because your entire arsenal is completely devoid of any need to understand the topic whatsoever--it plugs in no matter what.

But it doesn't replace thinking, and it still boils down to----you've got nothing.

Again.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:42:30 PM   
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A Heritage Foundation article?

With Rush and Hannity posted prominently in an advertisement to join?

And they are pointing out what Obama has done wrong and what he should have done.

Hmmmm...............imagine that!

Keep up the good work Sanity.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:44:09 PM   
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Do you ever post on topic Tim?

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
They all apply to you more than anyone else in this thread, Tim.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Case in point! Dead on on all counts.


Another case in point!

This is too easy.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You, like this thread, ignore the points and even, like this thread, the entire issue.

That's because your entire resources consist of:

*changing the subject
*deny, deflect, derail
*complaining about Obama--and some silly thing, not actual policy
*complaining "But Mom! Those other posters did it too!"
*complaining that all the people in the thread are trolls
*calling them names when that doesn't work
*trying to pretend you don't by claiming other people are doing the above instead
*continually going after a few posters you personally dislike, regardless of content
*repeating jokes/satire you've heard as if "news" or "analysis"

Never an argument, never solid source support, never a close look at the points---you don't need to, because your entire arsenal is completely devoid of any need to understand the topic whatsoever--it plugs in no matter what.

But it doesn't replace thinking, and it still boils down to----you've got nothing.

Again.




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:49:07 PM   
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"a definitive date and meaningful solution is yet to be determined for the worst oil spill in the U.S. history."


So let`s hear what the solution is already,rightist.

Just throwing stones isn`t enough.

Show us how bright you are.

What could all the world`s ships do to stop or slow this under-water gusher?

Are you suggesting that bush or even Mcgramps would admit they needed help and would ask for it?

Can you give us an example of this open mindedness on their parts?




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 3:49:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Do you ever post on topic Tim?


Still another case in point!

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because your entire resources consist of:

*changing the subject
*deny, deflect, derail
*complaining about Obama--and some silly thing, not actual policy
*complaining "But Mom! Those other posters did it too!"
*complaining that all the people in the thread are trolls
*calling them names when that doesn't work
*trying to pretend you don't by claiming other people are doing the above instead
*continually going after a few posters you personally dislike, regardless of content
*repeating jokes/satire you've heard as if "news" or "analysis"

Never an argument, never solid source support, never a close look at the points---you don't need to, because your entire arsenal is completely devoid of any need to understand the topic whatsoever--it plugs in no matter what.

But it doesn't replace thinking.

Again.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:03:09 PM   
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Media Matters is pretty far left lucy, and they're there for spin.




But the Heritage Foundation is a moderate, centrist organization?

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:07:52 PM   
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I didn't write that, what I wrote about Media Matters was a direct answer to lucys question.


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Media Matters is pretty far left lucy, and they're there for spin.




But the Heritage Foundation is a moderate, centrist organization?



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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:25:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Media Matters is pretty far left lucy, and they're there for spin.

Here are a couple of other sources for the same story:


http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-reason-america-refused-international-help-on-the-oil-spill-2010-6

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/05/06/us_not_accepting_foreign_help_on_oil_spill




Of course it's the same story, the source is basically the same: the Foreign Policy article dated May 6th.

Sanity,

You should know that the spin is actually irrelevant; that what are important are facts.

My question regarding the Media Matters piece isn't what type of spin they put on it but what current research can you come up with that refutes it?


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:37:37 PM   
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So you are agreeing with Sanity's claim (backed by sources) that Obama refused international help, from experts, (last month) early in the event.


And as to the OP, it would be more the case that if Democrats had not prevailed in stopping most oil dvelopment on land (specifically in Alaska, where Clinton Vetoed it.), we wouldn't have drilled deep in the gulf for another generation. And would presumably have better robots and such to deal with a catastrophic failure.


And Obama could have not taken BP at its word, thats just lame. Obama didn't have people examining what was going on? Giving him his own Data?



But its far better to repeat the Left Wing Media LIE that Canada requires 2 backup wells. It's like pretending Iraq is under Sharia Law. Just lies spewed by partisan trolls.


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:42:16 PM   
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The Houston Chronicle is reporting the same thing -

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Steffy: U.S. and BP slow to accept Dutch expertise


Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help.

It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands.

The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,'” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.

Now, almost seven weeks later, as the oil spewing from the battered well spreads across the Gulf and soils pristine beaches and coastline, BP and our government have reconsidered.

U.S. ships are being outfitted this week with four pairs of the skimming booms airlifted from the Netherlands and should be deployed within days. Each pair can process 5 million gallons of water a day, removing 20,000 tons of oil and sludge.

At that rate, how much more oil could have been removed from the Gulf during the past month?

The uncoordinated response to an offer of assistance has become characteristic of this disaster's response. Too often, BP and the government don't seem to know what the other is doing, and the response has seemed too slow and too confused...


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/7043272.html


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:45:28 PM   
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Media Matters may be left, but its not making up its own facts , the information is out there various sites if you can turn off your blinders white house press release is real,, the blog is real, the information put out by the coast guard and Deepwater Horizon are all legit...so you are simply whinning  that while it could have been done faster maybe...it IS being done, and has been for a while...so maybe rush and heritage need to get their heads outta their asses and stop whinging until they are up to speed with things...
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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:45:50 PM   
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Its about time to mindlessly repost the same thing Tim, its been more than five minutes.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Do you ever post on topic Tim?


Still another case in point!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That's because your entire resources consist of:

*changing the subject
*deny, deflect, derail
*complaining about Obama--and some silly thing, not actual policy
*complaining "But Mom! Those other posters did it too!"
*complaining that all the people in the thread are trolls
*calling them names when that doesn't work
*trying to pretend you don't by claiming other people are doing the above instead
*continually going after a few posters you personally dislike, regardless of content
*repeating jokes/satire you've heard as if "news" or "analysis"

Never an argument, never solid source support, never a close look at the points---you don't need to, because your entire arsenal is completely devoid of any need to understand the topic whatsoever--it plugs in no matter what.

But it doesn't replace thinking.

Again.




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:46:43 PM   
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Like a story from a TEXAS newspaper means anything.....

Did MSNBC report it? Or salon. com?



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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:50:57 PM   
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Media Matters may be left, but its not making up its own facts , the information is out there various sites if you can turn off your blinders white house press release is real,, the blog is real, the information put out by the coast guard and Deepwater Horizon are all legit...so you are simply whinning  that while it could have been done faster maybe...it IS being done, and has been for a while...so maybe rush and heritage need to get their heads outta their asses and stop whinging until they are up to speed with things...
dumbasses




So you are agreeing that if Obama had taken outside help when it was offered, there would be less oil in the Gulf.


There is no whining,(sic)" it maybe could have been done faster". The help could have been accepted early last month. And there would be less oil in the gulf. Now.




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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:53:23 PM   
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So you are agreeing with Sanity's claim (backed by sources) that Obama refused international help, from experts, (last month) early in the event.


And as to the OP, it would be more the case that if Democrats had not prevailed in stopping most oil dvelopment on land (specifically in Alaska, where Clinton Vetoed it.), we wouldn't have drilled deep in the gulf for another generation. And would presumably have better robots and such to deal with a catastrophic failure.


And Obama could have not taken BP at its word, thats just lame. Obama didn't have people examining what was going on? Giving him his own Data?



But its far better to repeat the Left Wing Media LIE that Canada requires 2 backup wells. It's like pretending Iraq is under Sharia Law. Just lies spewed by partisan trolls.



That wasn't my question.
My question was does he have the facts that prove the Media Matters article is wrong?

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 4:58:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


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Media Matters may be left, but its not making up its own facts , the information is out there various sites if you can turn off your blinders white house press release is real,, the blog is real, the information put out by the coast guard and Deepwater Horizon are all legit...so you are simply whinning  that while it could have been done faster maybe...it IS being done, and has been for a while...so maybe rush and heritage need to get their heads outta their asses and stop whinging until they are up to speed with things...
dumbasses




So you are agreeing that if Obama had taken outside help when it was offered, there would be less oil in the Gulf.


There is no whining,(sic)" it maybe could have been done faster". The help could have been accepted early last month. And there would be less oil in the gulf. Now.




Maybe...can you not read, I said maybe,
Sanity WAS whinnning(sic) like a keebler elf,  that help had been denied. not wether it could have been done sooner
go back under your bridge troll


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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:10:33 PM   
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Anjelika, I think I see the problem, Sanity is talking about Early May. When The Dutch offered specialized skimmers. And Obama refused.

The Media Matters "article" is from today....That Foriegners are helping NOW is not the issue nor the point. That the help was refused then, and there would be less oil in the Water TODAY, is the point.


There was nothing "wrong" in the Media Matters link. It was just meaningless horseshit, aimed at people who are not bright enough to think about the time lime.


One more time...Obama was offered help within days of the event.

He refused.

Now he has accepted

And Media Matters and its drones think that makes pointing out that the aid was refused at first is disproven by the aid being there now.

That the Skimmers have operated for fewer hours, than possible is a fact. That that means there is more oil in the water is a fact.


And basically everything on Media matters is shit like that.

It truley is a nonsense source.

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RE: Gulf Oil Spill,ala McCain/Palin and Rolling Stone - 6/15/2010 5:17:37 PM   
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sure lucy, you can ignore that sanity posted, "Just three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, the Dutch government offered to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms and proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. LA Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) supported the idea, but the Obama administration refused the help."



And you can not care there is more oil in the gulf TODAY than there has to be because of Obamas handling of the crisis.


Its a free country.




So the OP is answered, he could have taken help right away, and he could have taken charge, instead of letting BP tell him what was going on.


If he had done the first, there would be less oil in the water, TODAY.

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