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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 6:23:03 PM   
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Something about the dishonesty.
As I recall, it was Adams who carved the prayer in the mantlepiece that "only honest men should live in this house"/

And, sure, I personally would never vote for a Muslim. But every American should care about a president who could be shown to have lied about his faith.



There is no proof President Obama lied about his religion, because he is a Christian, attended a Christian church, and never claimed to be anything else.

Even the REPUBLICAN National Committee admits he is a Christian.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 6:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		you guys, they all lie......but only held accountable if they are republican!!   everyone got up set when   Regan lied about contra.....and god forbid, Bush lied getting us into a war..... and the dems in congress wailed that they would never have voted for war if they had not been lied to (like they didn't know! please!) .... and Clinton lied...lol wait, Clinton was dem.....so it was ok, 
why should it matter if Obama lied?

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 6:57:02 PM   
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There is no proof President Obama lied about his religion


Thats right. I could have made my position clearer had I said something like: "Every American should care if it was shown that a president had lied about his faith".

Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 7:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jaysus, are we back to that topic again?  Don't you think it's been hashed enough already?

I frankly don't think some Republicans, Tea Party members, etc. will believe he's Christian, no matter how much proof is offered.  Same with his citizenship.  They've got a serious hate-on going.  (No, I'm not saying it's racial.  More like Obama Derangement Syndrome.)

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 7:27:24 PM   
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I frankly don't think some Republicans, Tea Party members, etc. will believe he's Christian,


He seems to me to worship at the church of political expediency, and to have kneejerk reactions stemming from pleasant boyhood memoroies of Islam, or from seeking the approval of the father who rejected him.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 7:54:58 PM   
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He seems to me to worship at the church of political expediency, and to have kneejerk reactions stemming from pleasant boyhood memoroies of Islam, or from seeking the approval of the father who rejected him.



First, his father was agnostic, and thus, President Obama had no boyhood memories of Islam except for what he saw in Indonesia.

And where do you get his father rejected him?

Talk about grasping for straws.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 7:58:29 PM   
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He has not attended church since he became president. Every Sunday he  apparently  plays golf.

Ronald Reagan, beloved of the Christian right, rarely attended church.  I never understood his appeal to conservative Christians given his divorce and estrangement from his children.  Same with Newt.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 8:08:28 PM   
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President Obama had no boyhood memories of Islam except for what he saw in Indonesia.

And where do you get his father rejected him?


Yeah, like I said, boyhood memories.

His own writings/ common knowledge. Actually, both fathers and his mother. It's why he's so weak and bow-ish. Seeking approval, needy little bag of bones.

Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?


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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 9:49:52 PM   
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I can't decide if this farce is a circus, a trainwreck, or an ad-hoc on-line sitcom.

I suddenly feel more confident in my fellow voters up here in the north.

Been a long time since that was the case, and it's not reassuring.



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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/27/2010 11:22:40 PM   
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I suddenly feel more confident in my fellow voters up here in the north.


I hope you're very happy up there, Aswan, too happy in fact to ever consider leaving.



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ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 2:15:00 PM   
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yes sandra and the left does not have any agendas, only the right can be accused of such!!



The fuck? Where ever did I say that?

You do realise, that from where I am sitting (Germany) there is nothing like a nationally relevant party on the left in the US? Both of your major players do not even come close to qualifying.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 3:00:22 PM   
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Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?

Historically the hands down winner is Christianity. Far more people have been killed over it than any other faith.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 3:28:18 PM   
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Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?

Historically the hands down winner is Christianity. Far more people have been killed over it than any other faith.



The crappy part of it of it is, having to go back to historical references to have any chance of competing with the violence initiated by islam today.

The truth of the matter is that many religions, and just about every culture has a history of violence, slavery, and abuse. A correlating truth is that islam fuels the majority of it in recent times.

Honestly, I don't blame them on one level. If I grew up in a society and religion that had been shit on by every western society, I'd probably harbor some ill feelings too. The fact that the majority of muslims do not engage in said violence speaks not to the religion in my eyes, but to the person. As I have said many times, people are generally people. Spend a little time trying to get along and most likely you will.

Either way you slice it though, if you spend time to research most of the wars, insurrections and social unrest in the world today, a good bit of it stems from this one religion - a religion that also stalks writers, artists and goes into international freak mode over the prospect of their book not being handled with utmost care.

But yeah, having grown up in a fundamentalist family, I spent a good portion of time explaining the violence associated with their beliefs to them. I can tell you. It loses some flavor when you're talking events a few centuries ago.

Sometimes I wonder though about liberal support of islam when it holds sacred many of the same things Christians and Jews do. Especially when Christian and Jewish beliefs and tolerances are attacked in support of islam. It's kind of like arguing for things you will later argue against. Maybe the lesson in that is that liberal type folk just aren;t happy unless they have something to argue over.




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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:20:14 PM   
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Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?

Historically the hands down winner is Christianity. Far more people have been killed over it than any other faith.



The crappy part of it of it is, having to go back to historical references to have any chance of competing with the violence initiated by islam today.

The truth of the matter is that many religions, and just about every culture has a history of violence, slavery, and abuse. A correlating truth is that islam fuels the majority of it in recent times.

WTF? Define recent times in a way that makes your claim true.
last 100 years? The Holocaust is driven by a christian people following a tradition of their faith.
last 50 years? Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War which is as much driven by the Christian/not christian conflict between the developed and developing world as it is by the clash of economic models. This can be easily seen by the overt attempts to "christianize" the US during this period.
last 20 years? Islamic terrorists have gotten a lot of press but the body count by christian terrorists worldwide is comparable. The body count caused by a POTUS supposedly instructed by god to invade a sovereign nation is far higher than his causus belli.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:24:06 PM   
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Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War


WTF is right!

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:34:00 PM   
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Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War


WTF is right!


Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, many of the problems in Africa and the middle east. Ken is quite right abouth the cold war.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:42:40 PM   
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Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War


WTF is right!


Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, many of the problems in Africa and the middle east. Ken is quite right abouth the cold war.


Well, that depends on what you include in your view of what constitutes the "cold war", which I use in the strict Orwellian sense, thereby excluding Korea and Vietnam, which were responses to overt aggression and not the least bit "cold". And of course the "violence" over Cuba doesnt even move the needle on the scale.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:45:30 PM   
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Which faith do you think is more likely to promote violence?

Historically the hands down winner is Christianity. Far more people have been killed over it than any other faith.




Nope, that would be the Marxist-Lennist branch of Secular Humanism.



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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:50:31 PM   
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Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War


WTF is right!


Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, many of the problems in Africa and the middle east. Ken is quite right abouth the cold war.



Such a myopic view of the world. these are some fo the smallest, least violent conflicts of the past 60 years.

the violence of Ex British Colonialism (pakistan vs India) for example is far worse in scale and ferocity. Most of the Problems in Africa and the Mid east are the result of Europe drawing borders to divide the locals and create conflict.


The Cold War Supressed conflict, not caused it.

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RE: His Muslim faith - 8/28/2010 4:54:23 PM   
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Most of the violence world wide was driven by the Cold War


WTF is right!


Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, many of the problems in Africa and the middle east. Ken is quite right abouth the cold war.


Well, that depends on what you include in your view of what constitutes the "cold war", which I use in the strict Orwellian sense, thereby excluding Korea and Vietnam, which were responses to overt aggression and not the least bit "cold". And of course the "violence" over Cuba doesnt even move the needle on the scale.

Just restrict it to the proxy conflicts in Africa, Asia and South America. Thos conflicts account for the vast majority of the body count from 1960 to today (last 50 years).

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