Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities?

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KnockerBockers -> Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 6:41:22 AM)
It has been a while since the draft. We have always lived in a violent society but it has become far more so since the draft ended. Should all able bodied men and women be made to serve 3 years in the service and 3 years in the reserve,as a part of the right of Citizenship? Defending one's nation should be a noblis oblige and a right of passage. Who agrees/disagrees?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 6:51:22 AM)
Women aren't forced to sign up to be drafted. And no, I don't agree with it.

sternbuttgentle -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:01:21 AM)
personally, i think it is a wonderful idea.the security of our nation should be one of the formost thoughts we have. we would have a better quality of recruit and many would stay in who would have never thought of the military as an option. many are not cut out for military service. for them some type of social service, such as the peace corp. it would allow many young people to grow up befor entering the world of secondary education or the work force.

fergus -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:05:28 AM)
I don't agree that Military service should be required, But I think Service should be. There should be a criteria for able bodied and able minded people to serve. Military service should certainly be ONE avenue to satisfy service requirements, possibly hospital work, care for public land, and any other number of things that could help make our country better. fergus

LadyMorgynn -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:06:52 AM)
Not until the military ceases to be the President's own personal Army a la Praetorean Guard quote: ORIGINAL: KnockerBockers It has been a while since the draft. We have always lived in a violent society but it has become far more so since the draft ended. Should all able bodied men and women be made to serve 3 years in the service and 3 years in the reserve,as a part of the right of Citizenship? Defending one's nation should be a noblis oblige and a right of passage. Who agrees/disagrees?

KnockerBockers -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:09:01 AM)
Yes that is true. The alternative of compulsory social service in addition to compulsory military service. Draftees being either selected for one or the other or opting for one or the other,according to requirements of the time.

KnockerBockers -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:18:25 AM)
When the secret society of the scull and bones and the directors of that major arms manufacturers including the Bush Clan and the former British Prime-Minister John Major, are voted out of power so they cannot engage in warmongering,extraordinary rendition,torture and illegal detention and invade countries to steal oil and other natural resouces. Then we may have military services free of utility has the private armies of corporate America. Bush wants to invade everyone with natural resouces, Venuzuala,Iran and others. The isrealis,south africans,australians,indians,pakistanis,british and french ,russians and chinese,all have nuclear weapons. So why not iran? They have a right to defend themselves against bullies with nuclear arsenals. No nation has any right to dictae which other sovereign nation can or cannot have nuclear weapons. How they treat their own citizens is between them and their citizens.They dont interfer in internal American affairs and we should not interfer in theirs.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:22:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnockerBockers When the secret society of the scull and bones and the directors of that major arms manufacturers including the Bush Clan and the former British Prime-Minister John Major, are voted out of power so they cannot engage in warmongering,extraordinary rendition,torture and illegal detention and invade countries to steal oil and other natural resouces. Then we may have military services free of utility has the private armies of corporate America. Bush wants to invade everyone with natural resouces, Venuzuala,Iran and others. The isrealis,south africans,australians,indians,pakistanis,british and french ,russians and chinese,all have nuclear weapons. So why not iran? They have a right to defend themselves against bullies with nuclear arsenals. No nation has any right to dictae which other sovereign nation can or cannot have nuclear weapons. How they treat their own citizens is between them and their citizens.They dont interfer in internal American affairs and we should not interfer in theirs. Did you just take a screeching left turn into a completely different topic?

SirCumsSlut -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:28:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnockerBockers It has been a while since the draft. We have always lived in a violent society but it has become far more so since the draft ended. Should all able bodied men and women be made to serve 3 years in the service and 3 years in the reserve,as a part of the right of Citizenship? Defending one's nation should be a noblis oblige and a right of passage. Who agrees/disagrees? When "Captain Danger" and his cronies puts their kids into military service maybe..........but since hell hasn't frozen over the draft or required military service is a JOKE

james66 -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 7:43:48 AM)
No! No and NO! Been there, done it and bought not only the t-shirt, but the entire market stall. Military service oozes of unfairness. Those who are crafty enough to worm their way out, do just that! Its always the silent majority that ends up standing in muck up to their knees. Maybe I'd be for it if it meant both women and men in their 30s. Be nice to see how socially accepatable the concept is then. But it seems to me, most people look the other way when it comes to prodding and pushing 19 year old boys into something they know nothing about.... From my own experience, I would say 8 out of 10 would have gladly walked away from it all, at any time during the service, given just half a chance. Playing mindgames with young people just isn't accepatable, and they know they can't do it with mature people .......and even so, should a society actually choose to force military service upon them, at least pay a wage that approaches that of a sunday paper boy.

IronBear -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 8:32:05 AM)
Having spent most of my life in the Military (Special Forces) and Paramilitary and served with two Armies, you may say I'm a tad biased.. So I believe in Military Service.. BUT I do not believe in drafting troops to fight in a police action. There are many areas in Military service in which people can serve and yet and non combatants. I have an excelent memory of both the Australian and US situations during the Vietnam Conflict (I spent 5 years in the hell hole called 'Nam). However there are advantaged (at least in the Australian Army) which included the chance to gain apprenticeships and further education both of which may not have beenavailable in civy street for some.. Having said this. I do accept that not all people are suited for the Military and respect those who are against it...... For the record, I'd prefer my son to spend time in the Military (OK OK OK The SAS to be precise) ...... But that is as much tradition as anything else...

michaelGA -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 8:43:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnockerBockers It has been a while since the draft. We have always lived in a violent society but it has become far more so since the draft ended. Should all able bodied men and women be made to serve 3 years in the service and 3 years in the reserve,as a part of the right of Citizenship? Defending one's nation should be a noblis oblige and a right of passage. Who agrees/disagrees? i, personally, think we just need to have a "no BS" policy...meaning: if another country attacks us...BOMB THEM...get it over with...no need to send our own people to another country to die just my opinion.

pollux -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 8:54:17 AM)
Good idea in theory, bad idea in practice. In principle, I'd support some kind of national service program that allows young people of a certain age to either join the military, or the Peace Corps, or something. The problem with that idea in practice is I think the military is the best judge of what type of people it needs, and everything I've read says the Generals believe that a professional military is far superior to a military of conscripts. The US military is doing just fine right now without any kind of draft or compulsory service. So, I'm not sure what a national military obligation would do right now apart from satisfy a few people who have a political axe to grind. Edit: sorry Iron Bear, that's not addressed to you personally. It's addressed to the question in general.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 8:57:52 AM)
If you REALLY want to see people protesting the war, calling to impeach the president, marching in the streets, and so on, all you have to do is re-institute the draft.

michaelGA -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 8:58:01 AM)
let's send prisoners, KKK members and bigots to fight if we must fight.

steven43 -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 9:00:55 AM)
I think compulsery military service should be required from all citizens. Maybe just 2 yrs. Many european countries have this. As a retired military person, i found that many of the individuals currently in the miltary "grew up" . Finding out what responsibility is and how a little discipline wouldn't hurt anyone

Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 9:01:29 AM)
Now there's a great way to have an efficient and disciplined army. The slaves-and-convicts-as-soldiers approach has been tried many times in history. It doesn't work. quote: let's send prisoners, KKK members and bigots to fight if we must fight.

michaelGA -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 9:04:31 AM)
the method being used now ain't any better, plus we're losing good people for bad reasons. this war is just another Korea and Viet Nam...a politcal propogated war we've let go on far too long.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 9:18:03 AM)
Well, that's true. I say we go back to the "stop attacking sovereign nations" approach. But that's considered old-fashioned.

thetammyjo -> RE: Should Compulsory Military Service be a part of Citizenship responsibilities? (4/12/2006 9:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnockerBockers It has been a while since the draft. We have always lived in a violent society but it has become far more so since the draft ended. Should all able bodied men and women be made to serve 3 years in the service and 3 years in the reserve,as a part of the right of Citizenship? Defending one's nation should be a noblis oblige and a right of passage. Who agrees/disagrees? A few others nations do this -- Israel has it for both sexes but most others only target men (which I think is completely unfair). I don't necessarily agree with complusive military service BUT if one sex is required to sign up for the draft (males are) then the other sex should be required to sign up as well.

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