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ORIGINAL: marie2

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And some find their beliefs so sacred that they cannot be questioned.

Does it really frighten you so much that this might be all there is?

You must have missed the post in which I said this....

I personally don't need to believe in an afterlife, and I don't have a hard time accepting that it all ends someday.

I'm not frightened in the least.

For the record, you didn't question anything. You came back with a cheap shot under a false assumption with regards to where I was coming from. And you turned it into an "us vs them" discussion.

If you wanted to discuss, question, or bounce things around in a mutually respectful manner, that would be one thing. But you haven't done that here. You've done nothing but take people's beliefs and contemplations as some kind of personal afront to your own, and you've responded with defensiveness and insults. I have no use for it.

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Good question. I don't believe that consciousness is dependent on the brain but on the spirt and energy within us. While our spirit/energy remains in the body it is subject to chemical inducements.

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When the spirit leaves the body, the consciousness goes with it which is why an out of body experience allows your body to continue to function.. but you are an onlooker to what your body is doing.. the brain continues to move the arms and legs but you get to watch the whole thing from outside yourself. It's pretty cool actually.

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Oh please, I've seen enough of these threads to know the believers just want to encourage each other.

And I was trying to be respectful until someone decided I was an asshole for stating my opinion.

Any idea who that was?

So spare me the holier-than-thou attitude.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Another example of mocking people who have religious feelings... that aside for a moment, and stay on topic from the article...

Did the article claim that there was a god? Did it claim there was life after death? Did it claim that there was supernatural forces at work that could explain the cosmos?

No, it did not. I suggest you reread the article. Here is the thing, I don't think the article is the gospel truth. I don't think that the author of it has evidence. I think it is an interesting way to look at time and space and the observer of it (meaning the conscious being). We do not understand many things about how time works, how the universe works, how parallel universes work. We do not understand these things, but we are developing ways to understand them...

Now you post on this thread making it about a belief in God, when it clearly isn't? Why? Why do you have to turn every speculation about the nature of reality and the human consciousness into an opportunity to bash on religious people? What innate insecurity within you causes you to do that?

Why do some Atheists need to crap all over everything because they don't like that line of thinking? I say this as an agnostic, someone who does not know what happens when I die, someone who doesn't have answers....someone who searches for answers.

My son, who trends toward Atheism, made a particularly relevant statement about Atheists, and the reason why he could not become one... he said...

"You know mom, Atheists are so much like religious people, they need answers as to what happens when they die, just like religious people do.... Certainty that when we die we cease to exist is better than uncertainty that they are living this life wrong. To deal with that insecurity of not knowing they make up their own answer to explain everything"

My son is brilliant.

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ORIGINAL: marie2

You didn't state your opinion at all. You read my comment (as well as the comments of others) and instead of responding with intellect to the content of the posts, you've done nothing but respond with sarcastic low-blow jabs. And you got called on it.

Act like an asshole expect to be seen as such. Nothing holy about it, babe.

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Im not sorry to disagree, I welcome it. What I do not welcome is condescension, arrogance, and absolute certainty of a position that is uncertain. What I also do not welcome is any sort of belief system that assumes that there is no further knowledge to be gained on any topic, especially the biggest one of all, does the human consciousness mean more than some random electrical noise...

For crying out loud, we are still in the Dark Ages of understanding physics, electricity, even fucking gravity...lol

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You didn't state your opinion at all. You read my comment (as well as the comments of others) and instead of responding with intellect to the content of the posts, you've done nothing but respond with sarcastic low-blow jabs. And you got called on it.

Act like an asshole expect to be seen as such. Nothing holy about it, babe.

Well, babe, if I didn't state my opinion babe, then what are you arguing with me about babe?

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ORIGINAL: marie2

Nasty remarks, mockery, insults, sarcasm, and rhetorical questions, are not opinions. They're your reactions to hearing something that you disagree with.

Our exchange has been about your "behavior".

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You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? 

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? 

These are matters of faith, RML. [...]

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Some have faith that there is more to the universe than we can yet comprehend...

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...if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs...

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...if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs...

And if the atheists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs...

It works both ways, yanno. 

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So why would it be impossible for the information, brainwaves to continue to exist?  We already know that radio waves and television broadcasts never completely disappear even if they are broken up into tiny pieces.  So why couldn't we continue to exist?  Why is that totally unreasonable?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? 

These are matters of faith, RML. [...]

You are right. You are exactly right. And if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs. Even when they try to use scripture to defend their arguments, they always run in to atheists who know the scriptures better than they do. There are at least 3 or 4 atheists who post here who have a grasp of Theology that far exceeds that of any of the theists.
Well duh, anyone who has read your posts know that the atheists have hit the ultimate high in intelligence and anyone who still believes is obviously stupid.


It's people like julia who inflame these threads by claiming that the atheists ridicule the faithful for their beliefs. No, the atheists ridicule the ill-informed and often asinine attempts at justification for ones faith, when none exists and none is necessary.
Well of course, they are just using their superior brains to try and help those poor unfortunate believers.

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Some have faith that there is more to the universe than we can yet comprehend...

Even atheists will acknowledge the truth of this statement. But they prefer to rely on the methods of science to figure it out, as opposed to making something up that is aligned with ones spiritual beliefs, like the OP's article.
That's because they are so superior.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened


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So why would it be impossible for the information, brainwaves to continue to exist?  We already know that radio waves and television broadcasts never completely disappear even if they are broken up into tiny pieces.  So why couldn't we continue to exist?  Why is that totally unreasonable? 
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