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What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simpl... - 6/15/2010 9:56:52 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		This is a really out there article..... I enjoy stuff like this (contemplating time and space and what that means for all of us and "life"), so I thought I would share..




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What happens when we die? Do we rot into the ground, or do we go to heaven (or hell, if we’ve been bad)? Experiments suggest the answer is simpler than anyone thought. Without the glue of consciousness, time essentially reboots.
The mystery of life and death can’t be examined by visiting the Galapagos or looking through a microscope. It lies deeper. It involves our very selves. We wake and find ourselves in the present. There are stairs below us, which we seem to have climbed; there are stairs above us, which go upward into the unknown future. But the mind stands at the door by which we entered and gives us the memories by which we go about our day. Everything is ordered and predictable. We’re like cuckoo birds who appear through a door each morning. We fancy there’s a clockwork set in motion at the beginning of time.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/11/what-happens-when-you-die-evidence-suggests-time-simply-reboots/

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 12:31:46 PM   
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At death, we all know, consciousness is gone,
Sorry, but we don't know this...in fact we know nothing about death except that the body ceases to function...beyond that it is all speculation.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 1:00:40 PM   
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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 1:11:09 PM   
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At death, we all know, consciousness is gone,
Sorry, but we don't know this...in fact we know nothing about death except that the body ceases to function...beyond that it is all speculation.


I agree with that, but I still appreciate the entire premise of the discussion, you know in some ways he is saying "everything exists at once" or "there is no true end to anything"...and I find that line of thought interesting

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 2:10:58 PM   
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Do you have some crystals or aromatherapy stuff that your trying to sell?

Nature loving tree huggers, that can't accept the one inescapable lesson of Nature, Because natures truth is to horrible for them to contemplate.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 2:13:47 PM   
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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 2:14:21 PM   
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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 2:15:35 PM   
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Without consciousness, space and time are nothing; in reality you can take any time — whether past or future -− as your new frame of reference. Death is a reboot that leads to all potentialities.


What is the evidence? In general, I like the inclusion of the consciousness into the picture. We live times of materialism euphoria. It is something to think about.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 2:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Consciousness is the only reason we perceive time passing in the first place, so the author has that much right at least.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 3:11:25 PM   
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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 3:15:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarwinsLilHelper

Nature loving tree huggers, that can't accept the one inescapable lesson of Nature, Because natures truth is to horrible for them to contemplate.


Damn right!

I hate that nature stuff.

I'm going out tonight and kill a few polar bears and spray some oil on pelicans.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 3:36:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		That was a pretty thin thread and quite the stretch trying to connect this with anything useful or concrete regarding the speculation as to what happens when we die. Probably like lots of people, I've contemplated this plenty throughout my life, and I've come to the one, hard-to-swallow, conclusion that what happens when we die is probably nothing, absolutely nothing. We just quit moving around in this skin bag and we start to decompose. The world turns without us just as it did before us.

We've invented countless ideas about some sort of continuation and afterlife, reincarnation, soul/spirit progression through some sort of cosmic energy flow into some higher reality, and in the end, I think it's all feel-good bullshit we tell ourselves to get through, to obliterate, at least temporarily, the hard reality that this is all there is and it won't last forever and once it's over, it's over; we had our time here and now it's done.

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 3:58:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are Reborn as your energy slowly integrates with the earth. Well... usually. Now we put our dead in boxes to preserve them for some reason. It is not like they are coming back. So many vital nutrients not going into the earth.

I am getting cremated and setting my urn next to Miyamoto Musashi's grave.

There! I am back in the air.


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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 3:59:49 PM   
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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:10:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sensubmaybe

We've invented countless ideas about some sort of continuation and afterlife, reincarnation, soul/spirit progression through some sort of cosmic energy flow into some higher reality, and in the end, I think it's all feel-good bullshit we tell ourselves to get through, to obliterate, at least temporarily, the hard reality that this is all there is and it won't last forever and once it's over, it's over; we had our time here and now it's done.



Ok, but our bodies are a mass of energy...so where does the energy go when the body dies?

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:19:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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At death, we all know, consciousness is gone,
Sorry, but we don't know this...in fact we know nothing about death except that the body ceases to function...beyond that it is all speculation.


I agree with that, but I still appreciate the entire premise of the discussion, you know in some ways he is saying "everything exists at once" or "there is no true end to anything"...and I find that line of thought interesting

julia,

You know that we don't normally "get along" all that well, but I thank you for posting this, and attempting to bring up a deeper discussion about such things.

I believe that physics - with string theory, quanta and some of the things we are learning about the possibilities of the universe - may have deeper implications than many want to admit, or even consider. I think that the theory about "the mind" being a holographic system, and perhaps being based in the quantum state and quantum foam of the universe has some exciting possibilities, for what it says that death may or may not be.

Unfortunately, as you can see from all the attempts at derailment and belittlement, most any thread that requires much reflection isn't something that often gets such, here, by the ankle biters.

Firm

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:30:34 PM   
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New Age Horseshit.

Do you have some crystals or aromatherapy stuff that your trying to sell?

Nature loving tree huggers, that can't accept the one inescapable lesson of Nature, Because natures truth is to horrible for them to contemplate.


This completely tells me you did not bother to read the article... how fucking typical of atheist know it alls

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:31:37 PM   
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Damn right!

I hate that nature stuff.

I'm going out tonight and kill a few polar bears and spray some oil on pelicans.



Everyone needs goals

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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:33:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShoreBound149

Sounds like the author got high and watched Groundhog Day.



Yeah, but stoners can have some of the most profound thoughts...lol




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RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time S... - 6/15/2010 4:34:22 PM   
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I see you edited it.

How did that happen?



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