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Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:24:55 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		beth and I were playing around last night, having fun, and enjoying our usual good time being with each other when once again started to get silly and reopen our ongoing discussion about gender biased sexuality. The discussion is centered on the question; does knowing the gender of your partner affect your reaction to their sexual stimulation? Blindfolded or on one side of a curtain where you could not ascertain the gender of the person on the other side of it (which excludes participants with facial hair unfortunately) and not knowing who was touching you, could you enjoy the sensation and evaluate pragmatically which was better?

We refer to the experiment as 'The Pepsi Challenge'. Those with not enough laps around the sun - click on the link to appreciate the reference.

On one side of the curtain are self professed "experts" in manual and/or oral stimulation, some the same sex as you, some not. On the other side, blindfolded, is you. The expert is given 2 minutes to use their best moves. To keep the test 'honest', your regular partner is excluded from participating. You get 5 minutes of 'recuperation' time between sessions. At the end you rank the experiences in order from worst to best.

If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?

Of course a corollary theory comes into play with this experiment. The theory being that the person best able, and with the most knowledge, of how to please you would be a same sex parter since he or she would know first hand (or first mouth) what feels best.

Theories which, unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever see tested because although we have a lot of 'open minded' friends, I don't think many would subject themselves to experiment on either side of the curtain.

We're having a little start of summer party at the end of the month with a few CM friends, who knows - this may be the appropriate opportunity to stage such an experiment. I know it will be more fun to watch than 5 pounds of wax melting in a crock pot which was the group game planned for the last party! A bit quicker too as to avoid the 10PM PVE outside fun curfew!

I think I'd be willing to put on the blindfold. beth would - but only because I ordered her too; but that's more a function of her not enjoying the act in the first place let alone the thought of someone serving her.

So, just for fun regardless of your gender or orientation, given the opportunity would you submit to the 'challenge'?

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:45:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, yeah...... Like nothing "fun" was happening while the wax was melting.

(Geez.  Get the cops called one time on ya in CA and nobody ever forgets it.  )

I'll be the first to admit (depending on how long it takes Me to write this) that I wouldn't be willing to take the Challenge.  I have two reasons for that:

1.  I don't engage in casual sex and that includes oral sex.  Call that what you will, but that is the agreement that I've made with My other half and I'm good for My word.

2.  Even if I didn't have such an agreement, I'm straight.  I would be so influenced by the idea that the person pleasuring Me might be female that I would make a lousy judge between the contestants.  I would be more wound up in My brain over that than the physical sensation.  That's going to sound very closed-minded to some, but I know Myself and I'm honest about it.


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:46:52 AM   
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If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?

No. That'd be ridiculous. That conclusion doesn't follow from that test. I would readily agree that men gave better blowjobs than women (at least to me). But my orientation is composed of an awful lot more than sexuality. For instance, I personally am unable to engage in sexuality in the absence of a deep romantic bond. So a significant part of my sexual orientation clearly has to do with some sort of emotional orientation.

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Of course a corollary theory comes into play with this experiment. The theory being that the person best able, and with the most knowledge, of how to please you would be a same sex parter since he or she would know first hand (or first mouth) what feels best.
*nods* That's always seemed obvious to me.

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So, just for fun regardless of your gender or orientation, given the opportunity would you submit to the 'challenge'?
No, and again, it has nothing to do with not being "open-minded". It has to do with having no interest in casual sexuality.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:51:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I could not submit to any challenge that had me engaging in sexual activity with another female.  Tie me up, blindfold me just to see if males or females are better at oral sex... NOT in my lifetime.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:51:41 AM   
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2.  Even if I didn't have such an agreement, I'm straight.  I would be so influenced by the idea that the person pleasuring Me might be female that I would make a lousy judge between the contestants.  I would be more wound up in My brain over that than the physical sensation.  That's going to sound very closed-minded to some, but I know Myself and I'm honest about it.

Exactly this. If 'it' ain't happening in my brain, it ain't happening at all, and the thought that the person might be female would squick me out.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:52:30 AM   
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If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?

I'm sorry, but I don't really understand how enjoying recieving oral sex from someone that's of a gender that you're not usually attracted to would make you change your sexuality. There's a lot of difference between enjoying something because it's good and enjoying something because you're attracted to the person giving it to you.
I'm pretty sure the majority of typical straight men wouldn't decide to start hanging out in gay bars just because they got the best blow job of their life from another guy.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 11:57:18 AM   
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I think he will get over that.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:01:20 PM   
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Yeah, yeah...... Like nothing "fun" was happening while the wax was melting.
(Geez.  Get the cops called one time on ya in CA and nobody ever forgets it.  )
Hell LP I needed to be sure somebody would respond and I knew, if nothing else, the wax reference would draw you out!

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Even if I didn't have such an agreement, I'm straight.  I would be so influenced by the idea that the person pleasuring Me might be female that I would make a lousy judge between the contestants.  I would be more wound up in My brain over that than the physical sensation.  That's going to sound very closed-minded to some, but I know Myself and I'm honest about it.


This response points directly to nature/nurture aspect of sexuality. I too identify as "straight". I've seen and been in situations to observe male same sex interaction. I found a few to be very erotic as an observer; but I too could to not envision a circumstance where I would find actively participation desirable. The 'blind challenge takes that visual reference away.

However, you've taken it to another level. The very thought of the same sex possibility making it impossible to process the sensation as pleasurable. Very interesting...and a new tangential consideration to add to the equation. Made more so by the fact that you've previously disclosed no problem with spanking or engaging in BDSM 'play' with same sex partners.

The mind is truly an amazing and complicated sex organ isn't it?!

See you on the 26th! Bring your crock pot!

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:02:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		No thanks on that challenge. I am not into casual sex and I am straight--not really up for experimenting at this point in time.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:03:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tie me up, blindfold me just to see if males or females are better at oral sex...


Well, now your adding bondage into the equation that may change beth's answer too!

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:06:30 PM   
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However, you've taken it to another level. The very thought of the same sex possibility making it impossible to process the sensation as pleasurable.
And for me, the question was "would I be able to process the sensation as pleasurable even if the other person was Halle Berry." I can't be sure, but I suspect the answer is no.

Actually, what was more interesting to me was whether I'd command Carol to participate. She's much more "bi" in her sexual orientation but just as monogamous as me. She'd pretty thoroughly hate the experience.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:08:09 PM   
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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:14:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		No blindfold and no sexual pleasure.... I don't care who it's coming from or what gender. I can't see myself having any sexual pleasure just by a physical sensation alone. In fact, not knowing who was touching me would make me cringe. I have to have an emotional involvement in order to gain sexual pleasure. And this is why I don't do casual sex or casual play, no matter how much I might crave getting my ass whipped or whatever. If I'm not into the person mentally (at least to some extent), the sexual act alone isn't going to bring me pleasure physically.

Maybe I'm a tight-ass and a prude. I don't know, but that's how it all shakes out for me.


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:14:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of the best physical sensations and experiences i've ever had have been given to me by other women.

But, i still remain steadfastly straight, not bi.

i am not physically attracted to other women beyond the "she's really pretty" level. The thought of physical or sexual interactions with another woman does nothing for me - even though - as i mention above - i have had experiences that on the purely physical sensation level were pretty incredible.

Put me in the camp that sexual orientation is not determined by something as simple as the type of sensations that a person of the same gender could provide.

edited to add: like marie2, i'm not casual either - i need the depth of connection with my (currently potential) Owner as well. And any corollary play with another woman is at his discretion and command - but my focus is still entirely on him.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:16:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The discussion is centered on the question; does knowing the gender of your partner affect your reaction to their sexual stimulation?


Yes. I'm heteroflexible, but playing around with women does very little for me. It's usually only the power exchange that turns me on or the fact that what we're doing is turning the men on.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Blindfolded or on one side of a curtain where you could not ascertain the gender of the person on the other side of it (which excludes participants with facial hair unfortunately) and not knowing who was touching you, could you enjoy the sensation and evaluate pragmatically which was better?


Yes.

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If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?


No. All the tongue, fingers and toys in the world can't replace a nice cock. She'd be an appetizer, not the main course. Plus, I don't have many female friends because, frankly, we're bitches. I don't envy men who put up with us in relationships.

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So, just for fun regardless of your gender or orientation, given the opportunity would you submit to the 'challenge'?


Yes, I would out of curiosity to see who won. I'm not sure the same sex is necessarily better at pleasing.

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		i probably would find it fun - but not being even bi - for me theres a difference between being on the recieving end of an oral from a woman and giving an oral to a woman, the first i could do, the second i would have to be loaded, high and held at gun point

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:20:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Hell LP I needed to be sure somebody would respond and I knew, if nothing else, the wax reference would draw you out!

Busted.
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This response points directly to nature/nurture aspect of sexuality. I too identify as "straight". I've seen and been in situations to observe male same sex interaction. I found a few to be very erotic as an observer; but I too could to not envision a circumstance where I would find actively participation desirable. The 'blind challenge takes that visual reference away.

I won't argue with that.  I don't have to enjoy first person participation in same gender sexual practices in order to enjoy observing others of the opposite gender.  Add in a control element for Me, even better.

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However, you've taken it to another level. The very thought of the same sex possibility making it impossible to process the sensation as pleasurable.

I think you almost have to add it.  We're (humans) not prone to process stimulation based only on the five senses. 

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Very interesting...and a new tangential consideration to add to the equation. Made more so by the fact that you've previously disclosed no problem with spanking or engaging in BDSM 'play' with same sex partners.

Yes, and very happy to do so. 

We've actually discussed that on a different thread.  I hold the opinion that play is not the same thing as physical sex.  If the person that I'm playing with doesn't hold the same opinion, that really isn't My responsibility any more than some guy passing Me on the street who thinks it would be great to take Me to bed.

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The mind is truly an amazing and complicated sex organ isn't it?!

Absolutely!

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See you on the 26th! Bring your crock pot!

Great!  Who's bottoming?


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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:23:07 PM   
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beth and I were playing around last night, having fun, and enjoying our usual good time being with each other when once again started to get silly and reopen our ongoing discussion about gender biased sexuality. The discussion is centered on the question; does knowing the gender of your partner affect your reaction to their sexual stimulation? Blindfolded or on one side of a curtain where you could not ascertain the gender of the person on the other side of it (which excludes participants with facial hair unfortunately) and not knowing who was touching you, could you enjoy the sensation and evaluate pragmatically which was better?

We refer to the experiment as 'The Pepsi Challenge'. Those with not enough laps around the sun - click on the link to appreciate the reference.

On one side of the curtain are self professed "experts" in manual and/or oral stimulation, some the same sex as you, some not. On the other side, blindfolded, is you. The expert is given 2 minutes to use their best moves. To keep the test 'honest', your regular partner is excluded from participating. You get 5 minutes of 'recuperation' time between sessions. At the end you rank the experiences in order from worst to best.

If the result was that more favorable sensations were produced by the same gender would you consider changing your confirmed orientation to include a same sex partner without being blindfolded?

Of course a corollary theory comes into play with this experiment. The theory being that the person best able, and with the most knowledge, of how to please you would be a same sex parter since he or she would know first hand (or first mouth) what feels best.

Theories which, unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever see tested because although we have a lot of 'open minded' friends, I don't think many would subject themselves to experiment on either side of the curtain.

We're having a little start of summer party at the end of the month with a few CM friends, who knows - this may be the appropriate opportunity to stage such an experiment. I know it will be more fun to watch than 5 pounds of wax melting in a crock pot which was the group game planned for the last party! A bit quicker too as to avoid the 10PM PVE outside fun curfew!

I think I'd be willing to put on the blindfold. beth would - but only because I ordered her too; but that's more a function of her not enjoying the act in the first place let alone the thought of someone serving her.

So, just for fun regardless of your gender or orientation, given the opportunity would you submit to the 'challenge'?


Not entirely.


Some academics did something in the UK that will interest you. Six men wore their clothes all day long. Next their underwear was taken from them. We call them pants, but you call trousers pants. Just in case you are still unsure, how about knickers, grundies, or smalls. I mean the things that keep your bum, sorry, - fanny warm. Don’t say that over here, it’s something rude this side of the pond.

We really should get a phrase book.

Anyway, the grundies wre placed into separate plastic bags. After a while, six women were asked to smell each grundy, and announce which one she like best, based only on aroma.

Next the women and men are introduced to each other and allowed to mingle for some time. Then each woman is asked which man she was attracted to/liked best.

Result: close correlation between choice of grundy, and choice of man.

They did the whole thing the other way around , with similar results.

So there you are, visual attraction we know is important, but strangely, for some anyway, the way someone smells is also important.

Its not news to me at all. Sometimes a womans body perfume is really nice to me, and sometimes not so. But with poor personal hygiene. I don’t like anyones !

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:25:00 PM   
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it has nothing to do with not being "open-minded". It has to do with having no interest in casual sexuality.

Jeff, and the other who similarly pointed out the casualness required, obviously I failed to consider the intrinsic casual sex involved with the 'challenge'; which very much is distinctive from the "open minded" reference.

Sometimes a question provides confirmation of something not intended but perhaps more telling and disclosing than any answer to the original question. In this case its the common response from everyone who we know and consider friends having the same aversion to "casual sex". Jeff, I know we've not met you and Carol in person yet, but based upon your response - you'll fit right in with the 'usual suspects' who frequent our little gatherings.

As for me...I'd rationalize my willingness to participate as being an example of the level of personal sacrifice which I would endure for the sake of 'science'!

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Great! Who's bottoming?
What a silly question - why beth of course!

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RE: Is Sexual Preference a Function of Vision? - 6/16/2010 12:25:09 PM   
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I am pretty sure Halle Berry would be pleasurable for me.
That's because I'm such a freaky edge-player. I have this weird fetish around "emotional intimacy". I can't get off without it. Damn I'm one sick dude.

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