WyldHrt
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OK, this is gonna take awhile, so get the popcorn and a 6 pack, kids.
First off, I'm sorry to hear about what happened, OP. The owner of that dog should be held fully responsible for the incident, as it is his responsibility as the owner of a dog aggressive breed to keep his dog securely contained when unsupervised, and on a leash at all other times. That said, would it have been less scary had it been another breed of dog coming out of nowhere and attacking your dog? I've seen accidental dogfights with many breeds, and the damage any decent sized dog can inflict on another in a matter of seconds is indeed scary. I hope your dog recovers soon, well wishes to the both of you.
Now, for the replies:
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Fucking dog owners are the problem, it used to be real bad when they were popular, because half the fucking things were inbred - you can tell an inbred Rottweiler by the depth of the crease in the skull - that presses down on their brains and makes them very unsociable.
Correct on the fact that the owners are the problem, total bullshit on the rest, esp crease thing and the 'pressing on the brain'. The same thing has been said about dobermans for 30 years, that their brains outgrow their skulls and the pressure makes them aggressive. Unmitigated crap. Nice to see that the old saw is now being directed at other breeds. 
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The fellow who owned the dog was very nice, and said that the only other dog on the lot - that dog's mother - had recently been put down. I suppose that might have been troublesome to the dog that attacked me, but I'm not quite sure it is an excuse The dog did not attack you, it attacked your dog. Dog/ animal aggression and human aggression are completely different things.
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I am sorry to hear of the incident you went through but am very glad your dog will recover. I have been a professional trainer since 1977 and know pits very well. I have trained too many to count and personally owned and loved 4. Pits are awesome dogs when they are raised and trained properly. The biggest problem w/ pits is usually negligence, carelessness or ignorance on the part of their owner. These dogs are terriers and can be tenacious. No one should own a pitbull without socializing it, taking it to obedience classes and monitoring the dog carefully when it is outside.
After an incident such as this I can understand you being wary of pitbulls. Keep in mind that 95% (or higher) of ALL bite incidents can in some way be attributed to human error. In this case it sounds like someone left a gate open, door ajar, chain broke (dogs should never be chained) etc. I have a disfigured up arm due to a 132lb Rottweiler attack that I have to take the blame for. For a long time I too was wary about male Rotts even tho it was my fault. I sympathyze w/ you. Good luck w/ your dog.
Bang on! I highlighted my fave sentence.
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I can't count how many times an attack happens b/c of an owners irresponsible actions. I think it should be the owners punished NOT the animal when something happens due to an owners negligence or simple lack of training their animal.
Again, bang on. Responsible pit bull owners have been lobbying for years to have the owners held responsible for the actions of their dogs, and for chronic offenders to be jailed.
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I always laugh at the dude that runs around with a pit bull. they are the equivalent to corvettes as penis extenders.
Stupid choice in a pet.
I am a bad ass cuz I own a pit.
No, you just have a little cock.
I would love to reply to this, Twatwaffle, but I'm not having this entire reply yanked by the mods because you are talking out your ass yet again.
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No dog can ever be trusted with children nor with smaller dogs and small animals. It is as simple as that.
True. Accidents happen, and not only with large breeds: http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2001/pomeranian.html
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I do agree that pit-bulls are bred only for fighting and for people with murderous intents. They are neither working dogs nor lap-dogs.
Dead wrong:
http://www.workingpitbull.com/ Diane owned and trained Dread who, to my knowledge, still holds the record for the most working titles for any breed of dog. Dread was also the pit bull actor in "The Good Son" and many other movies.
http://www.forpitssake.org/ I'm fairly sure the people that have been rescued thanks to Kris and her 'non working' SAR pit bulls would disagree with you.
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/training-articles/therapy-dogs-pit-bulls.html Yep, pits make awesome certified therapy dogs, too.
I could do this all night with links, but google is your friend. And anyone who has ever been close to a responsibly owned pit bull will be happy to tell you that they sure as hell are 'lap dogs', as that is where they will be if given even the whisper of an invitation.
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This is a timely post for me. We just got back to Montana where Gary's sister keeps a small herd of dogs. She calls them American Bull Terriers and complains when people call them Pit Bulls. So far this year she's kept them on her own property but we've only been here for 2 weeks. In others years they've been over on our side of the road, usually several together. To be truthful, they scare me when she's not around or when they are over here in a group.
This is completely irresponsible. Dogs of any breed roaming loose in a pack are a disaster waiting to happen.
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So....are these dogs part of the group called Pit Bulls or not? I'll still be scared when they are loose and over here. Heck, I don't like it when the other neighbor's doberman and dalmation get loose and are over here. Large dogs scare me unless they are my own and I have owned only one large dog. When I was a kid a horny boxer had me holding on to a tree to keep from falling. I was too young to realize what he was trying to do but having a dog like that with his legs around your waist when you are 7 is terrifying.
Bull terriers are not American pit bull terriers, but are a related breed. They are often lumped together by people that do not know much about the terrier breeds.
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The decision to take on such a breed isn't one that should be made lightly, or as a fashion statement. I am generally very comfortable with large, "dangerous" breeds, but I don't trust chows or pits. Just as with the rotties and wolf hybrids that I prefer, there is a constant responsibility. Much of it can be met with proper training from the start. I took my akita/wolf from his mother at 8 weeks and started training him immediately. As an adult, he needed no leash, would not go out an open gate, and could be completely trusted to take a treat from the hand of a toddler.
I won't even get into hybrids, but I'd trust a pit long before a wolf mix. That said, bang on about responsibility.
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Both American Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers are part of the group commonly called "Pit Bulls." As a group, I would not feel comfortable with them wandering around my property either.
Bull terriers are neither, they are the "Spuds McKenzie" dogs. That said, I already commented on loose dog packs.
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People suck, not dogs. I saw a guy take his pitty and latch him onto a tree branch. The dog would bite the branch and the fucking owner would let go of the dog. Dogs are afraid of falling, not like cats at all. Cats will land dogs will not.
That poor dog held onto the branch with all its might. I hated the sick fuck who owned that dog and absolutely mortified and tortured the poor wee animal I wanted to kill him dead.
Ummm.....lol. Google 'springpole. Sorry HC, but I think you misunderstood what you were seeing.
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We inbred the dogs so much we created the super-sonic jaws they have.
Super-sonic? That's a new one. Pit bulls do not have jaws that lock or any such thing. They are terriers, hence tenacious, and they are built in such a way that gives them a good grip when they want... that's it. Oh, and pit bulls were not created by inbreeding, but by cross breeding. People get way too stuck on the inbreeding thing, although it is a problem when taken to the extreme.
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We have sick fucks who cant let themselves know how inadequate they feel so they get a beautiful animal and strap all sort of barbed wire shit all over it and name it brutal names and train them to be afraid, confused, neglected, unloved and angry. Mother fucking fuckers who own animals and abuse them for their own twisted fear of inadequacy.
Bang on!
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I know some people get these breeds and treat them with the love and respect they deserve and the animals are sweet and good.
Most, actually. Given the sheer number of pit bulls in this country, the number of 'attacks' is pretty small. Even smaller if you factor in breed misidentification, which happens all the time. Fortunately, the period for pits to be the 'big bad' seems to be waning, and hopefully they will be out of vogue soon, so that responsible owners can salvage the breed. Anyone over 30 should remember when the exact same thing happened with German Shepherds, Dobies, and Rotties. What scares me is the fact that Presas (perro de presa canarios) seem to be next on the list. Can anyone say 'Diane Whipple'??
In closing (I'm sure the popcorn and 6 pack are gone now), I owned an APBT for 12 years. I have been active in training and breed rescue, and consider some of the 'biggies' in the breed, such as Diane, Kris, and Tia Torres (Pit Bulls and Parolees) friends of mine. I have met more than 200 pit bulls in real at shows, during rescues, on the street, and every other place, and the only ones that have scared me have had complete assholes for owners.
Put the blame where it belongs.
< Message edited by WyldHrt -- 6/17/2010 12:53:34 AM >
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