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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 5:36:04 AM   
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He's right. It was a shakedown. BP already has pledged to pay for any cleanup. It was grand standing by Obama.


It has nothing to do with the cleanup.

BP is required, by law, to pay for the cleanup.

It's a fund to compensate those who suffered economic losses which had been capped by previous legislation at $75 million.

The agreement bypassed a lengthy battle in Congress to raise or eliminate that limit.


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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 5:39:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Caught an ad for BP claims this morning. Seems BP has a number to call for making unemployment claims directly to BP. Am i wrong in thinking the Valdez incident had the samr thing but people got screwed because the fine print denied them the right to sue after initiating such a claim?

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 5:51:02 AM   
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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 6:00:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Caught an ad for BP claims this morning. Seems BP has a number to call for making unemployment claims directly to BP. Am i wrong in thinking the Valdez incident had the samr thing but people got screwed because the fine print denied them the right to sue after initiating such a claim?


No you're right.  Which is exactly why this agreement was necessary.

BP has already been offering $5,000 settlements to people in the area if they waive their rights to future legal action.



BP Squirms Under Fed's Boot, Floating $5K Settlements


NPR’s Morning Edition reported today from Mobile, Alabama, that BP was offering $5000 settlement checks to fishermen if they signed away their right to sue BP later.

“Alabama Attorney General Troy King has told BP to stop circulating the settlement agreements and is urging Alabamians to seek legal counsel before signing anything.”

BP’s unconscionable “offers” to scared, unsophisticated journeymen in the seafood industry were repeated by severalmedia outlets on May 3.

It takes little imagination to understand that if a fisherman only makes $5000 a year, he would’ve found another line of work a long time ago.


If the coastal ecology is devastated for years on end, these fishers’ damages would total years of lost income (minus anything they could earn in other interim jobs – but many of these people know no other skill, and will end up working for minimum wage). $5000 settlements in these cases would represent a sweet, sweet deal for BP.

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 6:05:48 AM   
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Yes , don't you understand it is not American to expect them to pay for the mess they created.

You say more here than most know. It is now UN-AMERICAN to spend and tax according to the wishes of the people. Now we are slave to the ideologues.

I am watching C-Span now and a Stephen Moore from the wall street journal a real objective commentator. First order of propaganda...lie through your teeth about just what our fiscal borrowing and tax policy should prioritize.

He suggests to cut spending but leave in the Bush tax cuts for him and his buddies. YEAAA right. C-Span is after all...supported by the capitalist that's why in a discussion about govt. fiscal and tax policy they interview and we are to believe the wall street journal ?

That's like asking jack the Ripper his ideas about capital punishment.

Now they are on a great propaganda campaign about how it is just soooo penalizing to tax a larger portion capital gains and partnership income. Unmitigated bullshit. Here is a so-called free-market Disciple but still insists in effect that, that free market isn't enough incentive to invest in it...so the tax code must provide it.

Don't we see and hear more and more repubs having to apologize for hoof-in-mouth disease ?



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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 9:36:25 AM   
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Never mind the facts....

I'm glad they will put up 20 billion, I mean look how Exxon screwed over everyone with their court battles and the final settlement, less then 20% of what it started at.  As for the I'm sorry, what did people expect from people who support the Oil industry as a whole and make sure the most profitable business ever still get tax breaks from us taxpayers. 

You get what you vote for, in Texas it seems they vote for those who support big business,

Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) has been widely condemned for telling BP executives yesterday that he is “sorry” for the Obama administration’s “shakedown” of their company, which resulted in a $20 billion escrow fund help Gulf families suffering from the oil spill. While the Republican leadership realized the potential political fallout and quickly distanced themselves from Barton’s comments, right-wing pundits rushed to Barton’s defense:
– PAT BUCHANAN: “Barton made a very courageous statement in my judgment. … To have anyone stand up and even indirectly defend [BP] and say that they were a victim of a shakedown shows some political courage.” – INGRAHAM: “I think Joe Barton, before he apologized, had a legitimate point.” – NAPOLITANO: “That is a classic shakedown. The threat to do something that you don’t have the authority to do. ” – KILMEADE: “One Congressman calling the BP compsensation fund a ’shakedown,’ but does he have a point?” – GINGRICH: “The president is directly engaged in extorting money from a company.” – VARNEY: “It is Hugo Chavez-like, is it not? To sieze a private company’s assets.”
Watch a compilation of conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, Fox News analyst Laura Ingraham, Fox News Business host Andrew Napolitano, Fox and Friends host Brian Kilmeade, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, Fox News Business host Stuart Varney, and right-wing radio host Mark Levin:

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 2:18:41 PM   
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Hmmmm. NYT says BP's "Profit rose to $6.08 billion from $2.56 billion in the first quarter of last year."

Now let's see here. I don't imagine they report their worldwide profits do you ? Is this the total or just what they are paying taxes on in the US ? Only the US branch needs report to the US correct ? Stockholders in the US are holding stock in the US division, or am I mistaken ?


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Youre mistaken.

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/18/2010 4:34:56 PM   
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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/19/2010 9:33:24 AM   
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OK then I was. Thanks.

That still doesn't affect the rest of the point. So they are not quite as big as some thought, but what did you expect from a company from Cleveland ? So now the poor guys will have to give up a year's wages for what, a hundred years of corruption of our ecosystem ? The six billion was in a QUARTER, not a YEAR.

Oh these poor mistaken and misunderstood philanthropists ! I feel their pain, I really do, every fucking time I need to get gasoline.

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/19/2010 11:09:18 AM   
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As long as Tony has his life back, that is what is important, it's not about profits.

BP CEO Tony Hayward attends posh English yacht race as a break from Gulf oil spill crisis

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/06/19/2010-06-19_bp_ceo_tony_hayward_attends_posh_english_yacht_race_as_a_break_from_gulf_oil_spi.html



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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Hmmmm. NYT says BP's "Profit rose to $6.08 billion from $2.56 billion in the first quarter of last year."

Now let's see here. I don't imagine they report their worldwide profits do you ? Is this the total or just what they are paying taxes on in the US ? Only the US branch needs report to the US correct ? Stockholders in the US are holding stock in the US division, or am I mistaken ?


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Youre mistaken.


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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/19/2010 11:38:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		BP screwed up and needs to be held responsibile and accountable for the damages. $5,000 settlements are a fucking joke. This alone shows a lack of empathy and understanding in regards to long terms as well as short term impacts on many small businesses. The Eco system is not going to magically rebound quickly.

Sincerely, politicians need represent the interests of small business owners as much as they do big coperations.

Tell you this much, cold day in HELL if I ever gas up at a BP station ever again. BP's $5,000 settlement offer is disgrace. I really don't care what party somebody belongs to, if you're supportive of letting BP off the hook, you're just plain fucking wrong.

BP needs a fucking good shake down, needs to be shook up or whatever it takes. They should have allocated more money to improvements to oil drilling technology. This still needs to be done by the other oil companies. Improvements in fail safe systems and how to handle things in the event something goes wrong.

I'm certain this has been a rude wake up call for many people that have been supportive of Off shore drilling. A bitch slap in the face for everybody who actually believed and bought into the Oil Companies having their shit together.

The Gulf Coast is much closer to home compared to Alaska, the impact is more up close and personal in a number of business sectors.

I think the Oil Companies need to start taking new Technology initiatives, and putting some $$$ into R&D. What happened on that BP oil rig could happen another another rig right now. How many Oil Rigs in existence, and what kind of measures are in place to protect the Ego system upon a major failure or incident. Money needs to be start being allocated to the development of better safety and fall back containment systems. The Oil companies should be responsible for this, however they have been getting away with not doing it.

I think many Americans are getting feed up with how Big Business operates illresponsibily... not just BP, but AIG and ENRON and others that have been fucking shit up. Businesses that are so fucked up like this should not be doing business.

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/19/2010 1:25:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
I'm certain this has been a rude wake up call for many people that have been supportive of Off shore drilling.



"Many people"? Like who? As I understand it, the whole offshore drilling industry was entirely Obama's idea and he pushed for it relentlessly for years, funding his campaign from commissions from his job selling subprime mortgages to poor people in Chicago.

No one else was involved - after all, what should be their motive?

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RE: Republican forced to apologize for BP apology - 6/19/2010 6:07:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

He's right. It was a shakedown. BP already has pledged to pay for any cleanup. It was grand standing by Obama.


Has the depth of your ignorance ever been plumbed?
Do you only open your mouth to change feet?

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