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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Other people try to pick up all the slightest imprecise words that I used and to confront with me, and they miss the main point at the same time.

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ORIGINAL: DisenchantedLife

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Explaining real life human interactions to him is as productive as explaining Quantum Physics to a cow. (at least we would get milk out of the cow once we were done explaining).

I vote for using a brown cow so we can have chocolate milk     [:D]

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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Men who are dominant over me have no need to give me orders.
I've known several men over the years who could totally relaxed sit kneeling at my feet butt naked with me in full Dominatrix fetish gear and ask me is a calm, soft voice "would you please be so kind to go get me a cup of coffee" or even "I'm going to get a cup of coffee, would you like one too?" and yet AT THE SAME TIME still be totally, absolutely, without a hint of a doubt be unconditionally dominant towards me, and inspire my submission in way you cannot even imagine.

I think you romanticize this a bit.

To me it seems that you imagine him as having some sort of telepathic energy or ability to dominate you just with his willpower without even saying anything. Maybe some people have that kind of charisma, but you are exaggerating a little.

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

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At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.

The situation I mentioned in my earlier post is unlikely to ever happen, but should it ever happen, I would likewise have NO doubt whatsoever about who is in control and who is not.

You are STILL making D/s about actions, instead of about interactions, reactions and control.

No, I don't think it is about acts and actions and poses, and even in the OP, I clearly emphasized that even if I knelt before her, I would be in control.

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Oh, and which one is it?
Am I over romantisizing the fact that a dominant man be in position, and any situation in relationship to me and still be in complete control, or am I right that submission isn't about actions and that a dominant man can thus be in any position and any situation in relationship to myself and still be in complete control?

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Both is true to a certain extent. If you think that he project some kind of ethereal dominance and that he can telepathically influence you without words and actions and without giving orders, yes this is romanticizing.
At the same time you are right that submission isn't about actions and yes, a dominant man can be in any position and any situation in relationship to you and still be in complete control.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

All the traditional societies were patriarchal. So men were heads of the household and men made decisions.

This is bullshit. Utter bullshit. This is so bullshitty that a bull would be ashamed if it came out of its arse.

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Actually, such a gesture (here I meant - kneeling) isn't that weird at all.

Almost all the traditional societies were patriarchal. So in such societies men were heads of the household and men made decisions.

However - even in such patriarchal societies there were lots of rules of chivalry and by abiding to those rules men showed their respect and devotion to their ladies.
Even today, the man falls to his knees when proposing a woman.
In the past it was common for men to kiss hands of women, etc...

And all of that was possible even in strictly patriarchal societies.

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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

oh ffs

Mod's I would like you to know that I am counting to ten ...and am very glad that my thoughts can't get me modded [:D]

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ORIGINAL: crazyml
Ten may not be enough...

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr
This past weekend my best friend and me went to Chicago to meet a couple of dominant men that we are now currently involved with.
These fine gentlemen took us out for a night on the town and of course we dressed to kill for them.
My friend, who isn't used to wearing high heels ended up being in considerable pain because of her footwear.
This resulted in a "scene" where she, her man and me were outside of the club smoking and him deciding to kneel at her feet on the sidewalk at 3am and massage her feet, with me standing over them both and her sitting down on a flowerbed-thingy.

At no point in time was he not in complete control of the situation and at no point in time was there ANY doubt in anybodies mind about this.
The fact that he was in a pose of absolute submission, in public, performing what is generally considered to be a submissive act changed NOTHING about the fact the HE was the one in control.
She, nor I, nor he doubted that for even a second.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

grin! Race you to graham's number ;-)

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