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-- so the governor has no say so- in his state.


Why even have one then.

If he is as useless as Jindal that is a very good question.

LMAO. This from someone who has lived under Ted Strickland. Theres a reason Blowboy has visited Ohio more than any other state.

No,  sorry Willbeur, you don't get to change the subject.

As I've posted in links before, Jindal has been a vocal opponent of federal intervention for any reason.

Until this.

And now he is crying why there is not more federal help.

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Jindal has never been an opponent of "federal intervention for any reason". Strawmen suck.

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Jindal has never been an opponent of "federal intervention for any reason". Strawmen suck.

No shit?

Are you really this uninformed or is it that you are so partisan you ignore what you don't want to hear?


Lincoln Mitchell: Rekers, Jindal and the Impressive Hypocrisy of ...


Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's reaction to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, however, demonstrated a level of hypocrisy, and for that matter chutzpah that exceeds anything Rekers has done.

Jindal, of course, rose to national prominence with his spirited attack on President Obama's policies following Obama's 2009 State of the Union speech.

During that address, Jindal reminded Americans of the need for small government and urged us to remember that government, particularly the federal government, cannot solve our problems.

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You did not seem concerned when 4 Governors complained about Bush when he had birthday cake instead of taking care of the hurricane victims 

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During that address, Jindal reminded Americans of the need for small government and urged us to remember that government, particularly the federal government, cannot solve our problems.

I see, so "small government" means no federal intervention for any reason.
You get more moronic every day.

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During that address, Jindal reminded Americans of the need for small government and urged us to remember that government, particularly the federal government, cannot solve our problems.

I see, so "small government" means no federal intervention for any reason.
You get more moronic every day.

Ohhhhhh, Willbeurrrrrrrrr!


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You did not seem concerned when 4 Governors complained about Bush when he had birthday cake instead of taking care of the hurricane victims 

The the hell what???

Its June 20, 2010...

I mean is that all the Liberals can say.... But what about Bush????

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You are not there.
You are not in the coast guard.
You know only two of the reasons for the barges being held in port.
Do you really think that the lack of a life jacket and a fire extinguisher, which could have been purchased at any hardware store in less than an hour, is the only reason?
The hold up was only for about 24 hours.
Yet with all of your accumulated ignorance you want to "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead".
It is moronic attitudes like yours which gets people killed.
Makes me happy that more experienced hands are at the helm on this one.

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Yeah we wouldn't want to rush anything at how many days? lol

More puerile bullshit...You have no response to my statement so you post up nonsense.
You do not have a clue as to how to solve the problem but you feel competent to challange those who do.
You have no clue as to what makes a vessel sea worthy. The coast guard does know what it requires for a vessel to be seaworthy but you want them to ignore the seaworthiness of a vessel, put lives at risk and endanger the mission. Do you have a clue as to how foolish that is?

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No,  sorry Willbeur, you don't get to change the subject.

As I've posted in links before, Jindal has been a vocal opponent of federal intervention for any reason.

Until this.

And now he is crying why there is not more federal help.

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Sometimes laws can be bent in legitimate emergency situations. This counts as one as far as I'm considered.

If you've got something that needs to be done for the safety of the environment and ALL of it's creatures then fuck a fire extinguisher and any dumb motherfucker that thinks I should wait on one to help.

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You are not there.
You are not in the coast guard.
You know only two of the reasons for the barges being held in port.
Do you really think that the lack of a life jacket and a fire extinguisher, which could have been purchased at any hardware store in less than an hour, is the only reason?
The hold up was only for about 24 hours.
Yet with all of your accumulated ignorance you want to "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead".
It is moronic attitudes like yours which gets people killed.
Makes me happy that more experienced hands are at the helm on this one.

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Yeah we wouldn't want to rush anything at how many days? lol

More puerile bullshit...You have no response to my statement so you post up nonsense.
You do not have a clue as to how to solve the problem but you feel competent to challange those who do.
You have no clue as to what makes a vessel sea worthy. The coast guard does know what it requires for a vessel to be seaworthy but you want them to ignore the seaworthiness of a vessel, put lives at risk and endanger the mission. Do you have a clue as to how foolish that is?

How the fuck do you know what I know or don't know, thompson? Don't be an idiot.

I know what you know by what you post. You post moronic clap trap and I point it out.

I didn't respond to any of it because I thought it was stupid...


Of course you think it is stupid for the coast guard, which is in charge of safety of vessels under it's jurisdiction, to do it's job.

I don't expect you to get this cause your too focused on winning a debate but I'll say it anyway and leave you genius's to it.

I do not debate, I discuss. Currently we are discussing your ignorant posts concerning how the coast guard does it's job.

This mess has been going on for some time now and the numbers are racking up to be the worst oil spill in history...as usual in my opinion, the so called people in charge are dropping the ball...

Your opinion seems to be rather shallow and uninformed. Let me see if I can bring you up to speed. BP lobbied to get safety protocols reduced and then did not follow the reduced safety protocols. They lied to the president and the public about the magnitude of the disaster and now the president recognizes that they are being less than forthcomming about what is happening so he has become proactive...you in your ignorance stomp your feet and demand that shit happen yesterday by insisting that safety protocols be ignored.

One opinion isn't much different than the next opinion on a board except for it's seeming lack of a larger view as far as I'm concerned..which by the way, I believe yours to be an extremely myopic one.(See other people can use big words also :>)

Now if you only knew what the words meant you would see that it is you who is being myopic and not the coast guard...yes I am defending the coast guards position.

You called my statement earlier puerile but I believe you just weren't willing to admit it has taken way too long because geez..that might loose you a few points in the debate.


This has taken way too long because bp has been lying from day one. IPerhaps you should stop your "debate" mentality and enter into an adult discussion.

It's okay..what you've said hasn't changed my view of you one bit.

Your opinion of me is not under discussion only the coast guard protocol.

When you guys are all done going back and forth..Let me know what was fixed because of your hard work..K?

Do you really think we are in touch with the people who are doing the work? We are discussing your position concerning the coast guard protocol for vessel safety

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You are not there.
You are not in the coast guard.
You know only two of the reasons for the barges being held in port.
Do you really think that the lack of a life jacket and a fire extinguisher, which could have been purchased at any hardware store in less than an hour, is the only reason?

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The hold up was only for about 24 hours.

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Sorry, RML, but  I fail to see the hypocrisy here. The spill is a federal issue, not a state issue. The federal government is responsible for dealing with oil spills in the coastal waterways. It can't be called "intervention" if they're the ones who have primary jurisdiction.

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You are not there.
You are not in the coast guard.
You know only two of the reasons for the barges being held in port.
Do you really think that the lack of a life jacket and a fire extinguisher, which could have been purchased at any hardware store in less than an hour, is the only reason?

Then what were the other reasons?
You have exactly as much information on this as I do.
Do you really think the coast guard is just trying to slow down the operation for some nefarious reason? Do you think that they are just a bunch of hall monitors out of control?
We are discussing the article posted by the op. Unless and until we get more information this is all speculation.
If we are going to speculate how about if the coast guard did not stop the barges and one or more of them caught fire and sunk with all of the oil that they had collected would you then fault the coast guard for playing fast and loose with the rules?
They are in charge of what is going on so would it not be prudent to let them do the job that they were trained to do?

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The hold up was only for about 24 hours.

During which time the barges would have captured almost 100,000 gallons of oil that instead fouled the shrimping grounds in Bataria Bay because there was nobody there to clean it up.

None of that is in the op's link. Where did you find that?

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Sorry, RML, but  I fail to see the hypocrisy here. The spill is a federal issue, not a state issue. The federal government is responsible for dealing with oil spills in the coastal waterways. It can't be called "intervention" if they're the ones who have primary jurisdiction.

You find no hypocrisy here?

Transcript of Gov. Jindal's GOP response to Obama speech - CNN.com
 In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the National Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government.

BP Oil Spill: Governor Bobby Jindal Says Louisiana Needs More ...
"We need more boom, more skimmers, more jack-up barges," Jindal said at an angry news conference in Venice, Louisiana, complaining that Louisiana has received a fraction of the supplies it requested to protect itself from the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Sometimes laws can be bent in legitimate emergency situations. This counts as one as far as I'm considered.

If you've got something that needs to be done for the safety of the environment and ALL of it's creatures then fuck a fire extinguisher and any dumb motherfucker that thinks I should wait on one to help.

Exactly. The first thing you do in a crisis is make a list of which  rules you're going to need to break, and this one should have been near the top of that list. If you need to inspect the boats, do it on the move, for god's sake - roll 'em out and shuttle your people back and forth from one to the other on a small service boat while the barges are doing their jobs. You don't take a fleet of 16 cleanup vessels out of service for 24 fucking hours while you count fire extinguishers. Jesus christ, what are these idiots using for brains?

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No, I don't. Whether you're for big government or small government, the fact is that the federal government does have specific areas of responsibility, and I don't see the hypocrisy in expecting them to meet their obligations in those areas of responsibility. The coastal waterways belong to the feds, in a sense, and there's nothing hypocritical about expecting them to take responsibility for what happens in their waterways.

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No, I don't. Whether you're for big government or small government, the fact is that the federal government does have specific areas of responsibility, and I don't see the hypocrisy in expecting them to meet their obligations in those areas of responsibility. The coastal waterways belong to the feds, in a sense, and there's nothing hypocritical about expecting them to take responsibility for what happens in their waterways.

So let me understand this.

I can be totally against government intervention when I don't want the government to intervene but I'm allowed to hold them responsible when I want their help?

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Sorry, RML, but  I fail to see the hypocrisy here. The spill is a federal issue, not a state issue. The federal government is responsible for dealing with oil spills in the coastal waterways. It can't be called "intervention" if they're the ones who have primary jurisdiction.

You find no hypocrisy here?

Transcript of Gov. Jindal's GOP response to Obama speech - CNN.com
 In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the National Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government.

BP Oil Spill: Governor Bobby Jindal Says Louisiana Needs More ...
"We need more boom, more skimmers, more jack-up barges," Jindal said at an angry news conference in Venice, Louisiana, complaining that Louisiana has received a fraction of the supplies it requested to protect itself from the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

No, I don't. Whether you're for big government or small government, the fact is that the federal government does have specific areas of responsibility, and I don't see the hypocrisy in expecting them to meet their obligations in those areas of responsibility. The coastal waterways belong to the feds, in a sense, and there's nothing hypocritical about expecting them to take responsibility for what happens in their waterways.

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Sorry, RML, but  I fail to see the hypocrisy here. The spill is a federal issue, not a state issue. The federal government is responsible for dealing with oil spills in the coastal waterways. It can't be called "intervention" if they're the ones who have primary jurisdiction.

You find no hypocrisy here?

Transcript of Gov. Jindal's GOP response to Obama speech - CNN.com
 In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the National Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government.

BP Oil Spill: Governor Bobby Jindal Says Louisiana Needs More ...
"We need more boom, more skimmers, more jack-up barges," Jindal said at an angry news conference in Venice, Louisiana, complaining that Louisiana has received a fraction of the supplies it requested to protect itself from the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

No, I don't. Whether you're for big government or small government, the fact is that the federal government does have specific areas of responsibility, and I don't see the hypocrisy in expecting them to meet their obligations in those areas of responsibility. The coastal waterways belong to the feds, in a sense, and there's nothing hypocritical about expecting them to take responsibility for what happens in their waterways.

The federal government did not cause this spill.

The responsible parties are BP and the other companies involved.

So it is beyond me how you do not see the hypocrisy in Jindal decrying government intervention when it is politically expedient then complaining about the lack of government intervention when that becomes politically expedient.