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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:12:15 AM

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I don't think this device has gotten very far. We've had numerous threads on it here since 2004. Here are a links to a couple of them.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_109648/mpage_1/key_south%252Cafrica%252Crape/tm.htm#110613

http://www.collarchat.com/m_224130/mpage_1/key_anti%252Crape%252Ccondom/tm.htm#224130

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:18:44 AM

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I don't think this device has gotten very far. We've had numerous threads on it here since 2004. Here are a links to a couple of them.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_109648/mpage_1/key_south%252Cafrica%252Crape/tm.htm#110613

http://www.collarchat.com/m_224130/mpage_1/key_anti%252Crape%252Ccondom/tm.htm#224130

Actually, it is in the clinical trial stage. They are distributing 30,000 throughout various South African cities where the World Cup games are taking place.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:20:30 AM

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It's been out for at least 6 years but still in the clinical trial stage? I wonder what the hold up has been?

(Maybe a shortage of male volunteers to test it????

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:25:41 AM

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I don't see any obvious mechanism that prevents removal by someone with the smallest amount of common sense.

Considering the country of origin I wonder if it is only a gimmicky money making exercise exploiting a bad situation.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:27:25 AM

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I think it is a good idea, but only in conjunction with good self defense abilities. If the self defense does not work and a woman gets subdued and beaten up anyway, there is one last line of defense. Injuries can heal, but infection with AIDS is a very different thing.

If one is attacked by whoever for whatever reason, it should be treated as a life and death situation, the victim should be fighting for their life and in such cases, the name of the game is survival, so anything goes.

But I believe in the past women carried concealed bodice daggers for just such an eventuality, and if not bodice daggers, those long sharp hair pins. But todays society seems to forbid concealed weapons with the result most think others unarmed and defenceless, but would it not be better if people expected a person to be carrying a concealed weapon they can quickly and deftly get at in times of a problem, would that make an attacker think differently I wonder.

Perhaps in our striving to become more civilised and law abiding, we have in fact opened more possibilities for the bad in society.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:40:35 AM

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In 1975 Susan Brownmiller wrote that rape is the means by which all men keep all women in a constant state of fear. Many people (especially men) took that very literally and took offense. She did not mean by her statement that all men are rapists or even capable of rape...but by the mere fact of their anatomy, every woman had reason to be fearful of every man for the possibility existed. Reading about devices such as this makes you wonder how close to the mark she was in that statement. It is incredibly sad to think that women have to so constantly be in fear of the possibility of rape that they need to make such a device a part of their daily routine to face their day and have the constant physical reminder of it's presence to reinforce that fear every minute of the day.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:46:44 AM

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but by the mere fact of their anatomy, every woman had reason to be fearful of every man for the possibility existed. Reading about devices such as this makes you wonder how close to the mark she was in that statement.[/quote

I used to have this debate with Sinergy, I am one of those females that does not fear rape all the time from everyone...

But in South Africa rape is an epidemic for some of the reasons I mentioned in a previous post...

Clinical trials take years to undertake.... and if they are distributing these things, that tells me that they are nearing final approval

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:54:36 AM

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Being one that enjoys some serious friction....Sweet!!! It's ribbed for my pleasure! Thanks doc!

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:54:50 AM

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In my mind, having to make such a thing a part of my routine and insert such a device every morning would be akin to being emotionally raped.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:56:45 AM

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I don't believe all men are capable of rape, education has in part enabled that and society as it has changed but whilst there exists some that are, then I can understand a woman's fear about all men and do sympathise at the situation where trust of another human cannot be had, simply because of a minority.

But in regards to Susan Brownmiller, her statement that it is the often harmless male anatomy that creates the fear, perhaps she is correct because it's action is attacking not defending, it is dominant not submissive, it is fucking not being fucked, but as to our ancient past was human development as civilised as we like to think it today, was the rape and pillage good for genetics or bad and how is it that the rape instinct seems to be in males, is it a shadow from the past I wonder.

But or those that rape, is there any traits that might be common to a potential rapist apart from their anatomy and what to do with it ?

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 7:59:34 AM

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Women in that region of the world can't walk down the street. Rape is extraordinarily common

http://blogs.reuters.com/photo/2010/03/02/south-africas-child-rape-epidemic/

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South Africa has the highest rate of rape in the world, including child and baby rape, with one person estimated to be raped every 26 seconds, according to aid groups and local organizations.

In Khayelitsha, a sprawling, crime-ridden township of more than 500,000 people, many of the victims are children under the age of 10.

“Children are the most vulnerable targets for perpetrators. In Khayelitsha there is a lack of parental supervision and a lack of after school programs and secure playgrounds,” says Tara Appalraju, program director for Simelela, a local organization that provides medical care and counseling to rape victims.

We are talking about an aids epidemic, so comparing the risk of emotional harm against getting aids, I will take the emotional harm...at least if I lived in a place like that

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 8:21:34 AM

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The use and insertion of one of those devices to prevent the possibility of devastating disease and quite possibly rape if an assailant is aware a woman has one fitted could be akin to strapping on a hand gun before one goes out, it is about personal protection.

But why stop at a barbed condom, perhaps that ancient device the chastity belt could be worn, or something with similar potential but modern and more comfortable, that way an assailant knows full well there is no hope of getting their end away wheras with a barbed condom they just see something to use. But of a barbed condom, that could be construed as having a concealed weapon designed to cause harm, especially in the hands of men haters of which there are some as there are women haters. Can anyone imagine what might come out in western society with the lawyers we have if a case came up regarding the use of one of those things in western society, bearing in mind the prosecution of rape is not clean cut in a largely patriarchal society, the yes/no thing, provocation and what was said etc.

I believe some form of chastity belt would be of more use in areas where rape is a common and expected occurence, as those devices can be detected below clothing beyond a victim actually telling an assailant not to bother as they won't get any.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 8:29:41 AM

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What exactly would prevent these men from simply removing the device before they rape. It seems to me that the element of surprise with this device will be very short lived and perpetrators will very quickly learn of it's existence.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 8:32:33 AM

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quote:

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What exactly would prevent these men from simply removing the device before they rape. It seems to me that the element of surprise with this device will be very short lived and perpetrators will very quickly learn of it's existence.

I agree with that, but the mechanics of rape kinda make it hard to rape someone and fish a torture device out of their vagina first...

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 8:51:12 AM

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but the mechanics of rape kinda make it hard to rape someone and fish a torture device out of their vagina first...

I don't know that I agree julia. In some cases I can see that line of thought but every rape is individual and not every rape is a physical battle from start to finish. In fact, I don't believe that most rapes are. I know it sounds odd to say this but oftentimes it is not a physically violent encounter as once the victim believes the rape to be inevitable, often at that point fear of physical harm and pain will have them become compliant.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 8:54:08 AM

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physically violent encounter as once the victim believes the rape to be inevitable, often at that point fear of physical harm and pain will have them become compliant.

That might change if they felt they were fitted with a device that would help them escape, it might be empowering...we don't know how it would or would not work until it is tried, this is all theoretical

I support at least trying it

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 9:00:34 AM

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I believe it has the potential to both do harm and good. I am sure that there will be some lives saved as a result of it. I am also sure that some women will be killed, tortured and maimed as a result of it.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 9:08:25 AM

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I believe it has the potential to both do harm and good. I am sure that there will be some lives saved as a result of it. I am also sure that some women will be killed, tortured and maimed as a result of it.

I am not sure of any of that....

I think it is hard to prove women would be more abused as a result of this, they already have it pretty bad as it is. In fact, I would argue that things are so dire there, it is worth it to try many things... this is just one measure they should be looking at

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 9:13:09 AM

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Teeth biting the penis- would prompt the guy to - want it out. So- figuring- plotting to murder the lady- - would be more of a re-action- rather then- he is enraged and now is going to get her.

-- even guys who supposedly like pain- I doubt would like teeth stuck into his penis.

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RE: female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - 6/21/2010 9:13:32 AM

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I think part of the point of the device is to try to create a climate where rape becomes an undesirable act to the men. Since they won't know which women wear it and which don't maybe the fear of being "bitten" will cause fewer men to consider rape as an option.

Problem is, these rape victims get younger and younger as rapists search for females who are virgins because of the aids myth. I read somewhere that even baby girls (infants!) are being raped there due to this AIDS myth. Truly sickening.

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