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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 10:09:08 AM   
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I am doing next to nothing. The profile here is not meant to be productive. It's more of a futile registration of a desire that is doomed to remain unfulfilled. The basic problem is: women.

It's not that woman are a problem. It's that sexually speaking, the law of supply and demand is in full effect. Evolution mandated a sex drive to be one way. Men want women, while women perhaps want to be wanted, or would be bothered if they weren't.

Women can sell it all day long, and men can't give it away. That is the nature of sexual instinct.

The admonishment from women to men is about men not trying in the right way, or hard enough, or too hard. The expectation is that it is for men to try. Women don't have to try. They just have to show up.

Being in search of a D/s relationship is a futile enterprise for a male submissive, unless he happens to be extra delicious already and this is just one more way he engages with the women who already rate him among the small percentage of males by whom the women wish to be desired. The more active the effort to find a dominant woman, the greater the futility. By doing barely anything at all I am already doing ten times as much as can be justified by the potential for success.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 11:10:14 AM   
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And yet...at age 46, being 15 pounds overweight, married, deeply in debt, AND being transgendered; I managed it by being honest, direct, and putting in actual effort to change my life and get what I wanted.

It's all about how you look at things. 

Not playing the victim. 

And showing up and doing the work...

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 11:46:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lapdancefool

I am doing next to nothing. The profile here is not meant to be productive. It's more of a futile registration of a desire that is doomed to remain unfulfilled.

Thank you for your honesty.  Of course, My question back to you is, since there are obviously a number of submissive males in a dynamic with a Dominant woman, why do you feel that making the effort is futile?


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 4:43:22 PM   
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Sub males, what are you actively doing to meet a Dominant woman?  Is your profile filled out?  Do you attempt to make contacts?  Do you go to your local munch or attend events?  Are you being pro-active in your goal of meeting a Dominant woman?

I suppose that many newbies are way nervous when going to the first munch.  It takes nerve to admit you get weak-kneed around strong, powerful women, and you'd love nothing more than getting on your knees to her, and serve her. 

However, with years under your belt, you do get used to the idea that there are indeed a few special women out there who would welcome your surrender, and take control of you.  When you are young and fresh, the sexual component is the biggest thing, I think, but as you mature you realize that the slavery you yearn for involves more than just having your Owner whip your ass and slap your dick around.  It can (and should, IMO) extend to most every aspect of the relationship.  Only in that way can you honor her fully with your submission.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 4:59:10 PM   
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Sub males, what are you actively doing to meet a Dominant woman? Is your profile filled out? Do you attempt to make contacts? Do you go to your local munch or attend events? Are you being pro-active in your goal of meeting a Dominant woman?



Well. I'm working (yay). I am still very introvert in my personal life. I also began a PT regiment so that way I look pleasing to the eye. I sparingly use the internet.

I've been training myself on the piano. I tell my hands to listen and they don't. The hands must have ears first. Still an oddball and rely on laughing. Laughter is powerful. Especially if your face never smiles.

Instead of clutching I let go...
I give up to the goddess of the universe and bless our lucky stars. :D


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 9:40:11 PM   
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What am I doing? Well I have to say not much. I have attended a local munch a few times, a couple years ago, but most of the people were old times to it, and they kept in certain clutches. I am a shy person (ME? Yes, at times), so I didn't go around the room to introduce myself. We played "Naughty Bingo", which eased me some, and the Hostess was into Ballet and Pointes, so that was nice too.

I just didn't have the guts to mingle. Since MADAM and I split many years ago, I have no idea of how to meet a new Mistress. Back then, I started chatting with her husband on Yahoo, and we got to chat over a long time, and had a lot in common, besides B&D. Well we finally met in public, and hit it off right away.

But for now, I do miss sessions, but just don't have the time, I'd like to put into it. And New Jersey, isn't exactly the Munch Capitol of the world. Maybe someday I will get off my butt, and see what I can find. I would be happy just to e-mail a Mistress, with noting else from her part. Just for friendship, and someone to talk to about B&D.

Sincerly, sub BalletBob

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/22/2010 9:49:26 PM   
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Hi trueshadow and pyroaqutic,

I appreciate you both taking the time to reply, but neither of you really answered the question.  Any additional information on what you are actively doing to meet that special Dominant woman?

BalletBob, thank you for your honesty.


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 6:01:42 AM   
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Lady P...I think another valid question might be - "Do you really want to meet someone, or is this just a little side fantasy that you sort of dance around?"




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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 6:32:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Hi trueshadow and pyroaqutic,

I appreciate you both taking the time to reply, but neither of you really answered the question.  Any additional information on what you are actively doing to meet that special Dominant woman?

BalletBob, thank you for your honesty.



I've been extremely busy keeping alive and adjusting to my medication. I do not believe in actively looking. That time is reserved for me to carve my character so to speak. Well rounded and versatile this increases my chance to find someone.

So I found someone jovial and sweet without actively looking, which I find to be a hindrance in presenting my self.

My hard work speaks for itself, which is wholly better than spending a fortune on advertisement.

I did not mean to dodge any question and I hope this helps. You are one of the reasons of why I like this part of collar me.

ThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkThinkDo

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 6:50:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Lady P...I think another valid question might be - "Do you really want to meet someone, or is this just a little side fantasy that you sort of dance around?"

Otters, I can't argue that what you're saying here isn't a portion of the CM sub male population, but then again, I believe that to be true of every demographic.  For those for whom it is a fantasy, I'm not especially sure if one could consider that to be goal oriented.  I'm not sure if that would slant the results.

My best to you both.


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 6:51:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic
I've been extremely busy keeping alive and adjusting to my medication. I do not believe in actively looking. That time is reserved for me to carve my character so to speak. Well rounded and versatile this increases my chance to find someone.

Fair enough, pyro.  Thank you for your reply.


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 1:08:10 PM   
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I have been only with a few Dommes and they all have been very kind. But it is trying to find the right one and trying not to drive such a long distance. So the point is one can spend a ton of time just looking. And at times I just give it up and stop cold. Then of course I go back and look again. It is not easy because I do travel a lot.
Anyway as  the question I go most of the time online but meeting folks in real is the best. I meet with other folks at a hotel one weekend and I came away thinking how normal everyone seemed to be. We had a blast and going to dinner was funny as hell.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 2:19:47 PM   
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quote:

Of course, My question back to you is, since there are obviously a number of submissive males in a dynamic with a Dominant woman, why do you feel that making the effort is futile?
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: lapdancefool

I am doing next to nothing. The profile here is not meant to be productive. It's more of a futile registration of a desire that is doomed to remain unfulfilled.

Thank you for your honesty.  Of course, My question back to you is, since there are obviously a number of submissive males in a dynamic with a Dominant woman, why do you feel that making the effort is futile?



Because it's like when you have an old washing machine that you leave by the curb with a sign attached, "Free". It sits there for days and finally the city leaves a tag on it saying you have to get it out of there, so you have to pay someone to haul it away. A brand new washing machine would be gone in an hour. There is an aspect of this that has to do with demand. Every house down the street has a washing machine. In the time that old one was sitting by the curb, people were out buying new ones. If nobody wants you, I'm not sure what kind of effort could be made then that would not amount to an unwanted offer.

You have your categorically desirable people, like studly young men, rich men, and any female who is not actually repulsive. Then you have your somewhat desirable people, probably because of some quality they bring to the relationship, like being fun, affectionate, or willing to sleep on the wet spot. Those will eventually find relationships with similar types. And then there are the vast, sprawling, mumbling horde of us middling folk whose role is to stand in contrast to others of desirability, being who you're glad you did better than, who you wouldn't settle for, or who you work hard not to be stuck with having no other choice than. Once you rank us this way you can easily see how while some male submissives happily succeed,  others just succ. The futility is inherent in the basic lack of desirability. Of course this is compounded exponentially by the already skewed gender difference.

I have no complaint. I just know the score. Back in the day I could have wrangled myself a Dominant Woman, the same as I managed to have romantic relationships generally. Nowadays due to the evil passage of time my value has dropped below the necessary threshold leaving me, for purposes of attraction and desirability, bankrupt, worthless and obsolete. Futility is the softening agent of twilight that differentiates it from the bright noonday sun. Faded, blended into the background, effectively invisible, to show up is to not be seen at all, and then to speak from that inevitable concealment is impolite because it startles people to hear disembodied voices. They wonder if they are hearing things, or if they are on Candid Camera. The final nail in the coffin of hope is the fact that despairing exacerbates it, since nobody wants anybody who projects resignation, let alone actual discouragement. I made peace with these middle-age facts of life that take the place of their more promising predecessors.

Now, instead of prolonging my lame exhibition here I will go stand in the shade in the yard and watch cars go by for a while. The Doppler whooshing soothes me when I have been upset by reality.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 2:32:31 PM   
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Oh come on...you are 50 years old, 180 pounds, and you live in Texas...

the affliction of living in Texas can be overcome!...and your weight is yours to control...but the age you are stuck with....

So you are 50.  50 is the new 40 these days if you do your part to keep yourself healthy...and there should still be plenty of life left in you if you are willing to live it.

Your life is yours to control and you have to control it first before anyone else will be willing to step in and take over.  From your post, it sounds like you are well on your way to living a self-fulfilling prophecy...only you can change that.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 4:16:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 81song

I have been only with a few Dommes and they all have been very kind. But it is trying to find the right one and trying not to drive such a long distance. So the point is one can spend a ton of time just looking. And at times I just give it up and stop cold. Then of course I go back and look again. It is not easy because I do travel a lot.
Anyway as  the question I go most of the time online but meeting folks in real is the best. I meet with other folks at a hotel one weekend and I came away thinking how normal everyone seemed to be. We had a blast and going to dinner was funny as hell.


Thank you.  I think if more people knew that just getting together with a group at dinner can be fun, less people would stay at home.


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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 4:16:56 PM   
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I guess I should weigh in, since it was my original topic.  I have noticed that way too many sub males are inconsiderate time wasters.  They are looking for free jerk off fodder via emails or phone calls.  Some just want a quick fix.  Nothing wrong with that per se, but if that's what you want, you should see a pro domme and pay her for the session.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 7:48:00 PM   
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i am collared now but when i was seeking i would drive several hours one way just to go to a play party. while i was in san antonio i would drive to dallas on the weekend that had a play pary and drive back the next day. when i was in agusta i would go to atlanta to meet. and i did meet my Mistress there and have been collared nearing 3 years now. you will get ot what effort you put in. i also agree with many of the otheres in that many male subs dont seem to put much effort in it.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 7:53:58 PM   
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Sub males, what are you actively doing to meet a Dominant woman?

My plan is to head on down to MercnBeth's Friday and, upon seeing you LadyPact, refer to you as "girl" and see if that gets me in your bed cause.. you know... I got my game on.

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/23/2010 7:55:07 PM   
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And your game is TIGHT Jeff, don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!

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RE: Sub Males..... What Are You Actively Doing? - 6/24/2010 10:37:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lapdancefool

I have no complaint. I just know the score. Back in the day I could have wrangled myself a Dominant Woman, the same as I managed to have romantic relationships generally. Nowadays due to the evil passage of time my value has dropped below the necessary threshold leaving me, for purposes of attraction and desirability, bankrupt, worthless and obsolete. Futility is the softening agent of twilight that differentiates it from the bright noonday sun. Faded, blended into the background, effectively invisible, to show up is to not be seen at all, and then to speak from that inevitable concealment is impolite because it startles people to hear disembodied voices. They wonder if they are hearing things, or if they are on Candid Camera. The final nail in the coffin of hope is the fact that despairing exacerbates it, since nobody wants anybody who projects resignation, let alone actual discouragement. I made peace with these middle-age facts of life that take the place of their more promising predecessors.

Now, instead of prolonging my lame exhibition here I will go stand in the shade in the yard and watch cars go by for a while. The Doppler whooshing soothes me when I have been upset by reality.


Lapdance,

I'm going to attempt something I really shouldn't do before my morning brain fog has lifted, so bear with me please. I'm also going to share something deeply personal to me and something that only those closest to me have heard. How to make it brief is my problem here. All my life I had certain struggles that made it difficult to maintain a relationship. On a personal level, there were few problems, it was what came with my health issues that made things difficult and the reason I lost nearly every relationship I ever had. In fact, only one was over something else. Still I wanted to believe that somewhere out there, there was someone strong enough, who could love me enough to be able to handle what I had going on.

In 2001 I was handed a death sentence. I asked the powers that be, whom I didn't know and wasn't close to, for two more years to see that my children were in a better position to be able to handle young adulthood and life without a mom and only parent. Coming from that position would sound reasonable, but it was like pushing ten years into what I asked for in time, of two years. Trying to find stable people for my children to count on when I was the only one they had... well, it wasn't a great idea, but I am not sure I know a parent that wouldn't try. How I viewed things was the problem. There was a bit of parental panic in there.

I also wanted my happy ending. I didn't want to ask anyone to share my end with me for them, but damn it might have been nice to know the love and strength in someone that would lovingly stand by me until the end, finding some worth in me that I knew was there. My looking far younger than my age confused things as many didn't believe I was ill and men that had known me and wanted to date me for years were all about. I was looking for something that is rarely found and what I at times considered impossible. So I know something of what you are talking about and may be feeling.

More was learned about my illness as it was rare. So rare there were only two hundred and fifty families world wide that were known to have the disease. How do you plan a future or even dying with little information, few resources as 911 killed the only business I could still do, my income was slashed to under five hundred a month and soon I was to have a son I would have to care for, for the rest of my life? I learned all I could, didn't do what the doctors wanted me to do because they would have killed me and that was contributing to the claims that I would be dead very soon. I had cried, stomped my foot and all for my children I couldn't protect any longer and after a few months, I said fuck this shit! I am not dead, I am going to find a way to do this for as long as I can and fuck the odds... the ugly... the impossible. Nothing has kept me from living true to myself so far and god damn it, nothing else will.

It is true, I don't have anyone, but I am not dead yet. I know the discouragement, the facts of age, time, life and situations and I know that discouragement is the real killer! I laugh every day. I play every day. I have my days of... is this all there is? I'm greedy, I want it all and I won't settle for less than what will enhance my life and spirit and am still alone, but I am not unhappy and while I face the real facts that I may not find anyone and may live alone the rest of my life, I also know that unless I found that person I would need in strength, character, humor, intelligence and who will allow me to be lead in his life, I wouldn't want it any different. It is easy to think of what you don't have and to add the negatives of view of what you do have (age, wrinkles, extra pounds, shadowing of physical brilliance, etc.) and it is easy to limit yourself because these things are real.

BUT, there are people all over the place with the same issues that are finding people and love. Are they just the lucky one's or are they people who refused to give up and cave into their self talk and some reality that takes far too much from them, preventing often times the very things they seek from happening.

By the powers that be that I still don't know and am not close to... I am still breathing and I still have a decent mind, a great heart, lots of bubbling laughter inside that needs to spill out and a independent personality that can be both charming and well... so strong I won't let myself do myself damage by allowing myself to do less or take less than what will continue to bring out my strengths. I wouldn't be me if I didn't stubbornly refuse to continue on just as if I were not ill.

Someone out there is strong enough and able to love me no matter what I have going on. I just have to find him. My time outside my home is limited and therefore I have an even bigger challenge, but by god I never let a challenge take me down and I am not starting now. It isn't all attitude though. I said I understand the discouragement and I do. There are days when I was eaten up by it. That's when it helps to know someone like me. lol Look what she faces... look at her... look at me... and then you hear that used to be little and now just short, redhead laugh and make you laugh and know that it really isn't that bad. You can make it another day and stop the daily harassment upon your mind and heart that you do when you look at the limitations and not the possibilities.

You can't wait for possibilities... you have to create them. Are the odds against you still there? Yes. Is the time clock quickly moving? Yes. If you were hungry would you find food? Yes. So don't let the facts stop you from living a life goal. Can't find love... give it. Can't find one... be the one. (I can explain that elsewhere.) And one day someone maybe like you, will see the smartness it takes to withstand and move on and be smart enough to grab a hold of you and keep you. I still believe even with the facts and it is that belief you must hold onto until you have a real body to hold and until then... be the one and hold on to yourself.


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