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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

They took the dog into the store and left the windows cracked...

Even this is a really bad idea, by the way, when the weather is hot.

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Julia I usually always agree with you but leaving a dog inadvertently in a car....no pass. Sorry. I find it inexcusable and ignorant, and having owned dogs my entire life, I find it reprehensible. There just really isn't an excuse for that and if you are that irresponsible please don't have an animal.

Edited to say I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in general.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Julia I usually always agree with you but leaving a dog inadvertently in a car....no pass. Sorry. I find it inexcusable and ignorant, and having owned dogs my entire life, I find it reprehensible. There just really isn't an excuse for that and if you are that irresponsible please don't have an animal.

Edited to say I don't mean you personally, I mean you as in general.

Let me paint a picture for you....

I go to the store, my car is filled with groceries. I am unloading them with my pretend hubby. The doors are open, the trunk is open. The car is emptied of its contents. I am in the kitchen unloading my beer and frozen pizza into the fridge (ball game and the pretend hubby has buddies coming over in a half hour). Hubby shuts the car doors and the trunk... he thought the dog was with me... 20 minutes later he comes in after a few friends arrive,m and I say "Lets give Spot a treat" and he says "isn't Spot out in the backyard" and I say... "no you dumbfuck, where is Spot?"... unfortunately there was fatal confusion...

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Perhaps this could never happen in your universe... car accidents don't happen to you, you never break anything, never a moment goes by that you aren't on top of shit,.... most human beings aren't up to your exacting standards....

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I love dogs, but they aren't children and while I see them as a responsibility, I don't see them as precious as a baby... they are animals, they are not the fruit of my loins, my attempt to spit into the gene pool. As such I might overlook it... I am just being honest here...is that criminal?

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I don't think so, but if you do, then you should lobby to get a law passed that if you get distracted for any reason and anything dies as a result, we should lock you up.

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It would probably not impact my life, because I will probably not get a dog, why? I don't have the time to devote to one. I am one of these people that thinks that dogs need a social network, meaning they need people around most of the time, and if a person gets a dog and leaves them alone all the time, that person is more abusive than the one that accidentally forgot their dog when they unpacked their groceries...

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edited to add... I did not mean you passing a law, I meant others that have thought these people need to be reported to the cops...

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I have had a margarita, and i am a lightweight....

(I make the yummiest margaritas in the world...)

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Possibly, but I'm not measuring anything here.  But to some of us, accidentally forgetting your dog IS a big deal.  Some people see the suffering of any creature at the hands of their caretaker (be it an accident or not) to be a really big deal.  Parents with great intentions also make terrible mistakes that harm their kids.  Some of us view these equally.  For me, anyone/anything with a central nervous system, which can feel pain, which can feel fear and confusion, and most importantly, which is totally dependent for its well being, deserves to be taken care of and not forgotten.  

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As I have been saying all along is that the dog never should have been in that car to begin with. That was where the neglect began. That was not a mistake, that was a deliberate decision. Then to forget about it on top of that...that is neglect #2, which never would have happened without neglect #1. Neglect upon neglect, and the dog is dead. Some of us think that's not OK. I'm hoping you can respect those feelings.

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And you're not sharing???

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

As a mother, it could never happen to one of my children......I was always the one to get my helpless toddler out of the car. I did not have babysitters. I would not leave it to chance.

I love dogs, but they aren't children and while I see them as a responsibility, I don't see them as precious as a baby... they are animals, they are not the fruit of my loins, my attempt to spit into the gene pool. As such I might overlook it... I am just being honest here...is that criminal? I don't think so, but if you do, then you should lobby to get a law passed that if you get distracted for any reason and anything dies as a result, we should lock you up. It would probably not impact my life, because I will probably not get a dog, why? I don't have the time to devote to one. I am one of these people that thinks that dogs need a social network, meaning they need people around most of the time, and if a person gets a dog and leaves them alone all the time, that person is more abusive than the one that accidentally forgot their dog when they unpacked their groceries...


This is just my opinion


edited to add... I did not mean you passing a law, I meant others that have thought these people need to be reported to the cops...


I have had a margarita, and i am a lightweight....

(I make the yummiest margaritas in the world...)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I do not enjoy seeing living creatures suffer... I hate seeing the marine life suffer in the Gulf, I love animals... but my son, he is my life. If he died, put a bullet through my brain, seriously. If I caused his death, I would be a crazy person. He is my heart.

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That said I see a difference between drinking and driving and falling asleep behind the wheel. I see a difference in spilling coffee in your car and causing an accident, and txting and causing an accident. i see a difference between leaving your pet in the car intentionally, and leaving them accidentally....

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These were unconnected events. In fact I wonder why the OP mentioned them leaving the dog in the first place, the dog was alive when they got home. I do not see these events as related.....

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I just poured you one... I buy my triple sec at Trader Joes, it isn't the best in the world, but it is good for the price

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No fair.  Can't get there in time so you have to drink it for me!

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Obviously you have never made a mistake.

If it had been a sleeping child you would want to send that person to jail?....What would that accomplish?

Unbelievable.

Our prisons are not full enough of people that are pot smokers, etc... we need to start locking up people for making a mistake.... but fear not, most of us fortunately make only nonfatal blunders... like when I broke my toe two years ago dropping shelf on it... it is paining me tonight, so yes, I still regret that boneheaded mistake

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Obviously you have never made a mistake.

If it had been a sleeping child you would want to send that person to jail?....What would that accomplish?

Unbelievable.

Our prisons are not full enough of people that are pot smokers, etc... we need to start locking up people for making a mistake.... but fear not, most of us fortunately make only nonfatal blunders... like when I broke my toe two years ago dropping shelf on it... it is paining me tonight, so yes, I still regret that boneheaded mistake

oh damn!  You didn't love on me back!

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What if that had been their sleeping child? Would you chalk it up to a "mistake" and let them go?

That would depend on the situation.... How long was the child left inside the car, etc. You do realize that the heat in a closed up car can be fatal in minutes. If a child was thought to have left a car, and didn't and the parents discovered this 5 minutes later, yes, I would call that a tragic mistake...an animal is not a child, though. We do not keep as close of tabs on them...reread the OP, they thought the dog was not in the car.... you did see that, right? The dog was alive on the way home

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Owning a dog is a responsibility. If you can't remember that your dog is in the car, you are not being responsible.

"They then went home, unloaded the car in the driveway - and didn't notice that he had stayed inside. "

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So you cannot see a situation where the car is open and they are unloading the car, and thinking that the dog had exited the vehicle... it could have happened to me, I am not a holier than thou sort of person and I realize we do not see things the way they truly are... this is like thinking the lane next to you is clear when it isn't, and you don't see that car in the lane next to you.... blammo, family of 5 dead.... sure, we can deride the poor asshole that caused the accident, that didn't see, or was driving tired, etc, but human beings are imperfect....

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

No, it's not criminal to be honest, nor is it criminal to think differently than this.  I was not blessed with children, much as I wanted them.  So my pet...well...he fills quite a void.  He IS "my baby", even though not "of my loins" (then again my sister's kids are adopted and she loves them as any other mother would love her child).

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

You are right.  Now that I am calmer, I realize I would not call the cops on friends.  I would cook them chicken and dumplins and take it to them and hold them while they cried.

I still find leaving a dog in a car unbelievable.  All the other examples you gave are in totally different categories to me.  This was something that was so easily preventable, and it is something we hear about here in the south too many times.

Now I must cry for Jeffffs poor hamsters.......

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

No, it's not criminal to be honest, nor is it criminal to think differently than this.  I was not blessed with children, much as I wanted them.  So my pet...well...he fills quite a void.  He IS "my baby", even though not "of my loins" (then again my sister's kids are adopted and she loves them as any other mother would love her child).

Actually it can be considered criminal, at the very least animal neglect which would be a lesser crime.

The whole point is that people on the pit bull thread will talk about the owner's responsibility for the animal biting the OP's dog and not properly supervising, and then those same people think that these people irresponsibly leaving the dog in the car is just a horrible mistake.

Both case, the pet owner was not properly supervising their animal. You can't say one was intentional and one was an accident. But it would seem that it is much easier to try and jump on the more popular thought process. So much easier than having your own and standing by it.

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Either way, I feel for them... because that is a horrible thing to go through.