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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:08:39 PM

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That's rather odd, because I seems that I remember the relationship lasting nearly two years.
Am I to assume you are now more knowledgeable as to the back grounds of my previous relationships than I am myself?

i was addressing the point where you began cohabitation. You claim in your profile to have moved in 08/09. We are presently in 06/10.

So am I to assume from that that relationships don't actually count until people are living together permanently?
And am I thus to totally discredit the year prior to me getting my visa I spend in Bull's collar, of which I did, incidentally spend nearly 5 months living with them?

you are arguing semantics at this point. the crux of the matter is that you made a life altering decision in opting for a scenario that ultimately dissolved after a matter of months.

a couple things though: 1) i acknowledge the possibility that you feel the ultimate end (relocating to the US and a new found relationship) outweighs the cost (leaving behind friends and family* as well as all familiarity)

2) im rather curious how this relationship was terminated. i presume that you ended things. what changed so soon? was the split amicable?

*just to cover myself... "assuming that you had any"

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:09:32 PM

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lol, oh my god. i went to your profile to corroborate the date that you stated you moved. the fact that you monitored that is rather flattering.

and yeah, i actually had belgium typed initially, but was dissuaded. ugh.

regarding your last point, yeah... i realize that. however, you live way far away, so this development does not distress me all that much.

I didn't need to monitor it, or verify it.
I made an assumption, and unlike all of your assumptions this past day, mine actually proved to be a correct one, according to what you've just said...

See, that's how you make CORRECT assumptions: you base your statements on the patterns you've observed from people and combine that with previous experience in order to arrive to a state in which you can make and educated guess.

I do hope you learn better from example than from didactic instruction, because I seem to get nowhere with you with the later...

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:13:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: submissivemale22

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ORIGINAL: Ishtarr

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That's rather odd, because I seems that I remember the relationship lasting nearly two years.
Am I to assume you are now more knowledgeable as to the back grounds of my previous relationships than I am myself?

i was addressing the point where you began cohabitation. You claim in your profile to have moved in 08/09. We are presently in 06/10.

So am I to assume from that that relationships don't actually count until people are living together permanently?
And am I thus to totally discredit the year prior to me getting my visa I spend in Bull's collar, of which I did, incidentally spend nearly 5 months living with them?

you are arguing semantics at this point. the crux of the matter is that you made a life altering decision in opting for a scenario that ultimately dissolved after a matter of months.

a couple things though: 1) i acknowledge the possibility that you feel the ultimate end (relocating to the US and a new found relationship) outweighs the cost (leaving behind friends and family* as well as all familiarity)

2) im rather curious how this relationship was terminated. i presume that you ended things. what changed so soon? was the split amicable?

*just to cover myself... "assuming that you had any"

What exactly is this....overtly aggressive submission? Seriously dude you are starting to creep me out. None of this has anything to do with this thread OR the other thread. Are you writing some kind of book about her? Pissed off cause she turned you down? Dang! Aren't you the one who started the thread about male Doms being the pinnacle of creepiness? Well, you're certainly giving them a run for their money!

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:13:52 PM

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lol, oh my god. i went to your profile to corroborate the date that you stated you moved. the fact that you monitored that is rather flattering.

and yeah, i actually had belgium typed initially, but was dissuaded. ugh.

regarding your last point, yeah... i realize that. however, you live way far away, so this development does not distress me all that much.

I didn't need to monitor it, or verify it.
I made an assumption, and unlike all of your assumptions this past day, mine actually proved to be a correct one, according to what you've just said...

See, that's how you make CORRECT assumptions: you base your statements on the patterns you've observed from people and combine that with previous experience in order to arrive to a state in which you can make and educated guess.

I do hope you learn better from example than from didactic instruction, because I seem to get nowhere with you with the later...

lol. how the fuck do you speak english so well? your diction is superfluous.

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:14:08 PM

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Okay, be honest---who misses our Bosnian friend right now? Who is imagining a keyboard to keyboard matchup?

Actually, on days like these, when I'm in the mood for a game of "cat and mouse" they both have their own distinct charm.

A double team effort would be nice though, and would probably make things just a tad bit more challenging and thus more interesting.
The only reason I really miss SNot is because he was at least a little bit more capable of actually pretending that he is presenting a logical argument, which makes it way more fun to pick them apart and show him that they really are not...

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:14:32 PM

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At the risk of looking like I am singling out posters because I am going to start deleting off topic posts, please stay on topic.

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:14:48 PM

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Well, Erin, it isn't stalking if you do it in plain sight, right? (yes, even I am creeped!)

And, HIDE/BLOCK both things that everyone can do. But I am trying to beat VC's ice cream nose incident. Too late!

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 9:30:04 PM

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you are arguing semantics at this point. the crux of the matter is that you made a life altering decision in opting for a scenario that ultimately dissolved after a matter of months.

a couple things though: 1) i acknowledge the possibility that you feel the ultimate end (relocating to the US and a new found relationship) outweighs the cost (leaving behind friends and family* as well as all familiarity)

2) im rather curious how this relationship was terminated. i presume that you ended things. what changed so soon? was the split amicable?

*just to cover myself... "assuming that you had any"

I'm not arguing semantics seeing that the life-altering decision in question was made nearly year prior to the actual move, and already had deep founded immediate effect on the rest of my life.
I started the procedure to secure an American visa at that time, and the only reason I ended up taking so long before I actually made that transition from dating/visiting, to permanently moving it was because the American visa procedures take up a lot of time, money and bullshit.

When it comes to the how, what and why my relationship ended.
I really am not at all interested in discussing that with you in detail.
It will have to suffice to say that it was mostly due to miscommunication and a bunch of unforeseen external circumstances that nobody could have anticipated.
We parted amicable enough to say that none of the parties involved blames the others for why things went wrong.

As to my English, thank you.
And it's called actually taking the time to educate yourself in depth in regards to subjects you are interested in...

You might want to try that some time, it's really fun.

On a side note, please be so kind to stop refering to me as "ishtar", I presented my name capped for a reason, and would appreciate it if you'd use it as presented.

PS: I just noticed the mod warning that got posted while I was writing, unless otherwise instructed by the mods, I will let this last reply stand.
But this is the last reply you will get from me on this topic on these matters.
Unfortunately for you, I have really no interest in engaging with you in private, unlike SNot, you've not been able to sufficiently challenge me to warrant that.

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/23/2010 10:31:33 PM

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I am not meaning to bash how anyone else conducts themselves but it may seem like it. All I am trying to do is understand why people are acting as they do. To quote a email that a friend received, "Bow down to my dick you sub slut." Besides the basically being rude and a little too over bearing I do not understand this approach. First off does it even work? If it does that would be amazing and I would be the first person to jump on the band wagon. My main confusion from this is a philosophical one. In any arrangement, BDSM or not, a shift in power always begins with the parties involved coming to an agreement, (contract). If this is the cause then a person on this site that is listed as a submissive is really not in a submissive mode yet per-say but merely stating their intentions of submissiveness. This would be the intention to submit to someone of their fancy not the statement that they are a floorboard. Yeah that's pretty much it. Again this is not meant to be an accusing moment I just wish to understand.

Greetings aspiringmuse:

Another way to understand overtly aggressive dominance could be unconcealed inspirational unrelenting dominant influence toward someone who consensually desires such. It surely does seem that when the element of mutual consent is present then there is nothing remaining to deliberate. However that would be based upon having genuinely discussed the concept of consent to the fullness and how it would effect your circumstances. When consent is clearly defined and consensually exchanged much is eliminated that otherwise could hinder a potentially wonderful exchange.

There are those who do shift within the confines of different expressions in the BDSM realm. No judgement there. It is however IMO imperative to discuss everything with whomever your intentions are aim toward prior to asserting any such conduct that could be perceived as other than naturally being who one is. Be it dominant, submissive, switch etc. etc.. Safe, Sane and Consensual clearly has a much deeper meaning than some might consider.

However there are those who abide by practices that are devoid of non-consensual contact with another while some know of the principle of Safe, Sane and Consensual and ignore it for many different reasons. It comes down to a basic premise of personal responsibility and mutual respect when engaging with others regardless of the nature of relating. When paths cross with those who are not in agreement with ones own clearly defined principles and values then naturally discard what is not healthy and purpose to improve future endeavors. Again regardless of what others might oppose or support I advocate to do what you know to be right and workable for yourself.

After all the only one who has to face me in the mirror is myself and ultimately my own personal comfort levels must be determined to blend with the my own values and principles. Else no one is to blame for my own discomfort and disenchantment but myself. Personal responsibility and self examination can never be discarded else the opposite creep into your life like weeds. I say, rid those mental weeds one at a time methodically and uncompromisingly. Root first and then what remains is ongoing maintenance. I say One day at a time, living life fully and honestly with yourself and then honesty toward all others with the same respect that is cultivated and aimed toward yourself.

As far as the “Online” stuff and the unpredictability, well it is in most instances just that, unpredictable stuff. Sort the garbage from the treasures as treasures are here among the not so likely to ever engage with again amongst the sea of the not so likely. Hope I did not totally confuse you in my posting. If so feel free to ask me to explain. I more than likely will explain since I abhor miscommunication. Creates unnecessary baggage that is not in my estimate a prerequisite prior to boarding the train, plane or navigating your automobile regardless where your journey leads. Ok then enough of my philosophizing for now.

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/24/2010 12:29:54 AM

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To the OP:

This has been covered a few times - definitely worth checking out -

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On your knees, bitch!

Essentially my take is that in very many cases these people are just Jackasses. In some cases, this is precisely how they intend to interact with a sub (and I guess, fair play to them), there are some subs out there who would enjoy being treated like this - indeed some specify in their profile that they want all communication to be abusive (again, fair play to them).

I'm pretty sure, though, that it's fairly pointless sending an "kneel bitch" email out of the blue to the vast majority of the subs on this site.

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/24/2010 3:05:12 PM

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Okay, be honest---who misses our Bosnian friend right now? Who is imagining a keyboard to keyboard matchup?

LOL.....I cannot admit that I was thinking something similar.......

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RE: Overtly Agressive Dominance - 6/24/2010 3:08:01 PM

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I think he was banished to outer Bosnia when I saw him Mod Gagged and Chained but have seen his shade lurking.

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