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Brain -> Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 1:07:39 AM)
That is why the republicans go ape crap about lowering the capital gains tax and inheritence tax. The idea is you should pay less taxes for being born into money and sitting on your butt than working for a living. Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy Salt, meet wound. Wound being unemployment, and salt being the suggestion that the worst economy since the Great Depression was created by its powerless victims -- the jobless. Republicans, do tell: If so many jobs are ripe for plucking, explain the five applicants for every job. (Down from six a few months ago. Oh joy.) Why would anyone believe unemployment is voluntary when there is so much evidence to the contrary? The answer is surprisingly simple: Because that belief makes them feel good. ... Politicians love a just world, especially conservatives. Take Sharron Angle, Republican candidate for senator of Nevada in the 2010 election. Angle's message has all the subtlety of a car-lot sales pitch. Her handlers have scrubbed her Web site, but thanks to technology, we have her words archived for all eternity. She can run (watch Angle trot away from reporter Nathan Baca as he asks what she meant by "Second Amendment remedy" to incumbent Senator Harry Reid), but she can't hide. During a speech, Angle was recorded saying, "We did those things growing up that Americans don't do. We cleaned bathrooms and made beds. Swept floors. Did laundry." But now, according to Angle, Americans won't do those jobs, and unemployment benefits, specifically Harry Reid's vote to extend them, are to blame. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/23/republicans-to-the-unemployed-youre-lazy/

Fellow -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 1:58:39 AM)
quote: But now, according to Angle, Americans won't do those jobs, and unemployment benefits, specifically Harry Reid's vote to extend them, are to blame. It may actually be correct. The unemployment benefits exceed the salary these jobs pay. Many are temporary and it would that leave the worker with new significantly reduced benefits. Of course, making a laid off engineer accept a janitor job as a second career is the problem itself.

eyesopened -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 4:15:39 AM)
I've seen this issue from both sides, as personal experience. I don't know how it works in Canada. This is how it worked for me in the states I lived in at the time. A top wage earner will get the maximum benefit but for me it was way, way lower than I had earned. So the first thing I did was try to find another job in the same field in which I had worked. Didn't work. Then I tried to find jobs that paid what I had been accustomed to making. Didn't work. Then I changed my standard of living so I could at least get by on the benefits I was getting. I had 26 weeks plus one extension. It was when I was faced with the loss of the benefit that I realized I would have to get creative. *That* worked. Yet another time I found myself unemployed I had already learned how to live a frugal lifestyle but then I only had 26 weeks with no extensions. I had to get creative right away but it still took a long time. I had to take a job at $2.15/hr plus tips just to survive. Had I gotten the extensions would I have been willing to do that? I'm not entirely sure I would have. Not lazy.... but as long as I could live on the benefits I was receiving, there wasn't any incentive to humble myself. As it turned out, humbling myself was the key to self-esteem in the long run and a stepping stone to a great job with a top company. Stepping stone in that it changed my attitude. My neighbor had been unemployed for over 2 years. She turned me down when I told her about an opening in the company I work for. It didn't pay enough for her. It paid more than unemployment benefits but she just wasn't going to "lose her benefits" because she wanted to hold out for that top-paying job she'd had before. Then, all her extensions came to an end. Then and only then did she go out and find a job that paid slightly better than what she would have made with the company I work for and now she complains about the commute. Lazy? I don't think so but I can see where long extension of benefits can make a person complacent.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 5:15:53 AM)
Cute stories.....but sounds like bullshit to me. You can't make house payments or rent payments plus food on umemployment benefits. Not even if you are at the top of the scale. As I said, nice stories

FirmhandKY -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 5:37:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Cute stories.....but sounds like bullshit to me. You can't make house payments or rent payments plus food on umemployment benefits. Not even if you are at the top of the scale. As I said, nice stories It's nice to know that you are omniscient. Firm

eyesopened -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 5:39:06 AM)
Don't call me a liar, asshole. They are not "cute stories" they are smippets of my life. How dare you! At the times I was unemployed I had minor children and got a good amount of food stamps. I asked for and recieved payment plans on my utilities and I my ex husand agreed to pay some of his child support. The last time I was unemployed I lived in a small town in South Carolina. My benefit was $205 a week and I got $60 a week in food stamps. My rent was $425 a month. My car was paid for. My utilities ran about $275 a month and my auto insurance $125 a month. Which left me $5 in the hole but ex gave me $200 a month and I had the $240 in food stamps. Do your fucking math before you call someone a liar. I have never ever ever once in these threads lied about myself or my life. C-mail me and I'll give you my kids' phone number my ex-husband's phone number and my parents' phone number so you can verify my "cute stories". I am accustomed to people telling me I'm stupid when it comes to issues of politics or religion but to tell me I don't know my own life? That's it! I'm done with these boards and this site. What an asshole!

FirmhandKY -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 6:08:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened Don't call me a liar, asshole. They are not "cute stories" they are smippets of my life. How dare you! At the times I was unemployed I had minor children and got a good amount of food stamps. I asked for and recieved payment plans on my utilities and I my ex husand agreed to pay some of his child support. The last time I was unemployed I lived in a small town in South Carolina. My benefit was $205 a week and I got $60 a week in food stamps. My rent was $425 a month. My car was paid for. My utilities ran about $275 a month and my auto insurance $125 a month. Which left me $5 in the hole but ex gave me $200 a month and I had the $240 in food stamps. Do your fucking math before you call someone a liar. I have never ever ever once in these threads lied about myself or my life. C-mail me and I'll give you my kids' phone number my ex-husband's phone number and my parents' phone number so you can verify my "cute stories". I am accustomed to people telling me I'm stupid when it comes to issues of politics or religion but to tell me I don't know my own life? That's it! I'm done with these boards and this site. What an asshole! Agreed on the asshole part. I would ask that you not let the assholes win. Firm

DomYngBlk -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 6:11:02 AM)
My utilities ran about $275 a month and my auto insurance $125 a month. Which left me $5 in the hole but ex gave me $200 a month and I had the $240 in food stamps. See the words in bold. Obviously, you weren't makingit on umemployment alone. Some people have other expenses besides the ones you enumerated which would put them farther in the hole. 425$/mo rent is impossible in cleveland. Your problem is your stories never take into consideration that people might have to live differently than you. But you seem to have no problem putting the label of "lazy" on them. So spare me your righteous indigntion. People are suffering all over the country and instead of trying to help them....what do they get from you? "get creative"....wtf....go away

TheHeretic -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 7:11:08 AM)
It's nice to see the Republicans in Congress putting principle above politics. The consequence of this is that the official unemployment numbers are going to drop, since people who no longer receive the checks won't get counted. How long, I wonder, before certain assholes who shall remain nameless, will be spamming us with threads about those declining numbers?

maybemaybenot -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 7:12:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Cute stories.....but sounds like bullshit to me. You can't make house payments or rent payments plus food on umemployment benefits. Not even if you are at the top of the scale. As I said, nice stories I am unemployed for the first time in my life, I am 52 and have been working since I was 14. I certainly can and do make my mortgage payment, my condo fees, car payment, COBRA and all the rest of my bills . I will admit I am at the the max you can make on unemployment and am allowed to work and make $ 209, gross, a week in addition to collecting. I am a nurse, so I work one day a week as a temp nurse, until I find a suitable job. When I have been able to, I work 40 hours as a temp and go off unemployment for that week or weeks and go back on when I have to. I will admit I got a very nice severence package of three months pay, but I was not allowed to collect the first three months since I had recieved " wages " for that period, but I was allowed to work as much as I wanted during that 3 month exclusion period. And work I did, I put almost every penny aside in a special account so I wouldn't have to dip into my savings account. So far, I haven't needed to dip into either. Also, my Cobra payments are subsidized by the stimulis plan, so that makes a difference. I pay $200, the recovery and reinvestment act pays $300. And yes, you need to get creative when you have limited funds. I had my cable services dropped down to Basic, my phone service cut down to basic, using a phone card when I have to. I don't go out to eat 3 times a week anymore, my entertainment is now having friends over for dinner and playing cards or board games instead of going out for the night. I don't go to the movies anymore, I have movie night, the one dollar movies. I don't get my bi monthly pedicures, I do it myself. I dye my own hair, instead of having it done. A day of shopping on Saturday has been replaced with a picnic lunch and a day at the State Park, beach or lake with friends, my food shopping is predominantly food that is on sale, I drive less, walk more. It's all good, back to basics. I've been poor before, and I have reverted back to alot of the things I did back then, so as not to become that way again and not lose what I have gained monetarily. mbmbn

FirmhandKY -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 7:12:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It's nice to see the Republicans in Congress putting principle above politics. The consequence of this is that the official unemployment numbers are going to drop, since people who no longer receive the checks won't get counted. How long, I wonder, before certain assholes who shall remain nameless, will be spamming us with threads about those declining numbers? The next unemployment report. Bet on it. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 7:14:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk My utilities ran about $275 a month and my auto insurance $125 a month. Which left me $5 in the hole but ex gave me $200 a month and I had the $240 in food stamps. See the words in bold. Obviously, you weren't makingit on umemployment alone. Some people have other expenses besides the ones you enumerated which would put them farther in the hole. 425$/mo rent is impossible in cleveland. Your problem is your stories never take into consideration that people might have to live differently than you. But you seem to have no problem putting the label of "lazy" on them. So spare me your righteous indigntion. People are suffering all over the country and instead of trying to help them....what do they get from you? "get creative"....wtf....go away You are just the type of person who will suffer during any serious downturn. Your attitude sucks. Firm

pahunkboy -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 10:02:31 AM)
I must have blinked. Cause I am not sure who said what here. People. Have some class. I took the jab to be in sarcasm. Not a slam on the person. Either way- relax. It is just a message board.

thishereboi -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 10:34:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Cute stories.....but sounds like bullshit to me. You can't make house payments or rent payments plus food on umemployment benefits. Not even if you are at the top of the scale. As I said, nice stories I have been on unemployment in the past and always managed to pay my bills. I am on it now and have been for a while, but I still get my bills paid. My ex is on it and pays her bills too. It's not easy, but it can be done.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 10:39:56 AM)
Simply pointing out that picking up unemployment by itself is doesn't solve peoples money issues but it also is a lifeline so that there is at least the thought that a few dollars are coming in. To take that away from people because you "think" that it will be incentive to go find a job is utter BULLSHIT! It is insulting to anyone and everyone that have been out trying with all of they have to find work and not being able to come up with something......

DomYngBlk -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 10:42:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Cute stories.....but sounds like bullshit to me. You can't make house payments or rent payments plus food on umemployment benefits. Not even if you are at the top of the scale. As I said, nice stories I have been on unemployment in the past and always managed to pay my bills. I am on it now and have been for a while, but I still get my bills paid. My ex is on it and pays her bills too. It's not easy, but it can be done. But, it would be pretty hard to pay those bills without it ....right? Do you consider yourself lazy and not looking for a job just because you have it?

pahunkboy -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 10:42:48 AM)
IMO- a graduated reduction in benes would work. Rather then one cut off. A portion have to take a pay cut and thus the job rate is not worth much more then the Unemployment rate. Factor in commute- laundry- lunches and for some it is more expensive to work.

eyesopened -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 11:06:43 AM)
Where did I claim to stop unemployment? It's the extension after extension after extension that needs to be addressed. Do we just let people stay on unemployment benefits until they find "the right" job? How long should the benefits be for? No limit? That's what I was addressing and what the topic in the OP is about.

joether -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 12:02:09 PM)
The federal minimeum wage is $7.25 for the USA as of July 24,2009. Many states also have a minimeum wage. The recipient of the wage takes the higher of the two values. Additional information can be found under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). The extentions are put in place, in light of both leading and trailing indicators of national financial health have not been good. However, leading indicators over the months have pointed out that both the stimulus fund (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) and other state/federal programs have been making a positive difference. Leading and trailing financial indicators, are how both business and federal organizations understand the direction of where the economy is going (leading) and where it has been (trailing). The purpose of the extentions, is for goverment to observe whether Americans are getting jobs, and simply not falling off the radar. To do this, they look to the indicators to give information. Leading Indicators: The DOW, NASDAQ, and the AMEX. Consumer Confidence Consumer Spending Manufacturing Capacity Trailing Indicators: Unemployment Rate, (one of the biggest trailing indicators) Strength of the US Dollar against world currencies (the Euro, Yen) Housing Sales Rate Federal Interest Rate (the Fed sets this rate every Tuesday) The unemployment rate is not an accurate accounting of the real unemployment rate. It does not take in to consideration: A) Persons working below their salary/wage B) Those without state/federal unemployment checks, C) Those not looking for work D) Those working, but not being reported (money 'under the table, illegal aliens working in fields, etc). In many ways, extending the unemployment benefits, while costily, tells the goverment if things they are doing, are helping or hurting the recovery. For the moment, the indicators point that a recovery is taking place in most industries and in each region of the country. Republicans can say what they wish towards the unemployed. They should remeber that November 2010 is the mid-term election. Unemployed people have LOTS of free time (According to Republicans) to hit the voting booth and vote! They even can hold signs at voting centers! Or jump on forums to bash Republicans over failures of the Bush Administration and Republicans during the Obama Administration. Republicans would do well to court the unemployed, NOT, be their enemies.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Republicans to the Unemployed: You're Lazy (6/25/2010 1:49:19 PM)
FR: Dems want both stimulus and unemployment benefits By: Susan Ferrechio Chief Congressional Correspondent June 25, 2010 ... Republicans put forward an alternative bill that would extend unemployment benefits and pay for them with unused funds from the $787 billion stimulus. "We've offered ways of paying for these programs and we've been eager to approve them," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. Whose heartless? Firm

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