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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 11:42:51 AM   
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Most favourite - violet wand. OMG -take me to heaven and back! I try to hold off from subspace just so I can have a little bit more :)
How effectively can you hold off?


when I'm being paddled, I push myself into subspace as quick as I can...but with the violet wand I'm fighting as hard as I can to stay out of it! it's not easy...but it can take a good 20 or more minutes of hard sparkin' to get me to lalaland
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I need to process the pain - sort of 'go inside' myself and take as much as I can. It's a little like I was taught in tai chi when we were doing meditating. Find the 'golden ball of chi' inside me, focus on it, and then just be at one with it. Works at the dentist too, so I found out! And then this fluffy bunny floats off to the land of clouds and other fluffy bunnies
I thought of you just after I wrote the fluffy bunny line :P

Out of interest, did you learn tai chi before or after you discovered your masochism? If it was after, did it affect how you received/processed pain?


it happened pretty much simultaneously, and after about 6 months of pain play, during a particularly hard cane/belt session I found myself trying to focus on breathing through the pain and...well, I guess all my meditation practise kicked in and it just sort of happened. It doesn't lessen the pain, but it makes me feel like I've taken a step outside of myself and I'm observing the pain rather than feeling it. Sends my pain threshold through the roof!



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Now give me the damn cookie!!!!!


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Come and get it, Bunny!



You are such a tart!!!!

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 11:50:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

when I'm being paddled, I push myself into subspace as quick as I can...but with the violet wand I'm fighting as hard as I can to stay out of it! it's not easy...but it can take a good 20 or more minutes of hard sparkin' to get me to lalaland
I don't know if I could cope with a violet wand for 20 minutes *full stop*-my brain just starts going weirdfeelingweirdfeelingweirdfeeling...

Glad you enjoy your journeys to sparkylalaland, though

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It doesn't lessen the pain, but it makes me feel like I've taken a step outside of myself and I'm observing the pain rather than feeling it. Sends my pain threshold through the roof!
Awesome

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You are such a tart!!!!
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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 11:52:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Inspired by this:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3133558

I could use cheering up-I'm stuck in bed in the bad sort of pain :-(

So I'm taking a leaf out of Akasha's book and trolling for my own gratification :D

She wanted to know about vulnerability. I want to know about pain. Cause I'm nasty like that. My questions to those of you who are or have been on the receiving end in any kind of painplay dynamic:

1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?

im not a masochist at all. the girl that i play with now happens to love beating me though, and since she is really fucking hot, accepting it as a condition is my only chance of being around her. so, its more than worth it.



3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?
my "coping" strategy is how lucky i am that this girl allows me to interact with her. she could have any guy she wanted, so if i didn't do everything possible to comply, she would just move on.


4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account?

i prefer not to know. it keeps alive the blissful naivety that it could all end at any second.

5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?

neither? i guess thuddy though.

6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.
ouch. she is actually pretty sweet, and if i couldnt take it anymore, she would stop.


Obviously, don't feel you have to answer them aaaaall, but there will be virtual cookies for anyone who does

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:04:01 PM   
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I'm a complete sensation freak - I love the different ways a violet wand can be used to make different types of pain and prickles and other good stuff. Mostly it doesn't hurt - at least at the time. It just feels intense and is such a turn-on!

I love pain play full stop. The instant the pain stops (and I really want it to stop), I find myself begging for more within minutes. The withdrawal of such extreme sensation feels so wrong...my body just craves more and more. I have to play with really sensible, sensitive sadists who are happy to say 'no', just to protect me from myself at times!

And you went and made me blush with your last comment ....

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:12:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

I love pain play full stop. The instant the pain stops (and I really want it to stop), I find myself begging for more within minutes. The withdrawal of such extreme sensation feels so wrong...my body just craves more and more. I have to play with really sensible, sensitive sadists who are happy to say 'no', just to protect me from myself at times!
Does a slow cool-down have any effect? Does it make any difference to your feelings of withdrawal if the pain finishes abruptly or gradually?

(Feel free not to answer if the twenty gazillion questions start to irk you-it's just that everyone is different and I *love* picking people's brains about this stuff...)

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And you went and made me blush with your last comment ....
Good. Cause I meant it, Ms Tit-Sitter Extraordinaire!


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:14:58 PM   
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1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?


I am not a masochist.

I love everything about pain play except the pain part. Pain just happens to be a great vehicle to fear, and the sadistic streak tends to accompany a lot of other important characteristics I find attractive. They want me to suffer, I want to endure (unless I'm enduring and then I want it to fucking stop).

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2) What's your favourite/least favourite form of painplay? Is there one particular toy/instrument/technique that you take one look at and go 'nonononononono' or 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease'? (For the purposes of this question let's pretend that a technique is something you can take a look at...)


Oh they all suck. I'd say my least favorite is with a fluffy sadist who doesn't GET why I'm not at all aroused by his nipple pinching or that JUST because you grab my neck isn't going to automatically make me swoon.

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3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?


Neither. If I'm submitting to the pain, then I try to endure as best as possible. If I'm fighting the pain, then I say fuck you as loud and often as possible.

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4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account?


I've never really been given the option, I suppose I prefer not to know. It doesn't matter.

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5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?


Pain hurts. They want me to hurt and suffer.

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6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.


I'm not sure how to answer this without sounding arrogant or supremacist, so I'll just say it. My owners and sadistic partners tend to be the ones that scare off a lot of people. They aren't the ones who pull out knives to see novices eyes get wide- they don't pull out knives because if a knife gets pulled, it will not go back in until there is screaming and blood and there is satisfaction of their dark hunger for pain.

But that doesn't mean they were bad people- in fact the darkest ethical sadists tend to be extremely loyal and giving to the world. Most people don't give them that credit because they are too busy demonizing them for not wanting to make the bottom get all floaty all the time.

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:21:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
Does a slow cool-down have any effect? Does it make any difference to your feelings of withdrawal if the pain finishes abruptly or gradually?



An abrupt stop to the play is a bit of a shock to the system, and it means I need a bit more emotional aftercare as a result, whereas a gradual slowdown allows my brain and body to adjust to the reduction in physical sensations gradually. I do need aftercare - I can't just 'play and go'. I also need lots and lots of sex too - pain play is the ultimate foreplay!!!

I do also get 'sub drop' the next day, and my play partner needs to be the sensitive type who understands this and is supportive. It's not hugely dramatic, just a slight depression as my body copes with the after-effects of massive, prolonged endorphin highs. I can go into subspace up to a dozen times over a period of a few hours, and this is obviously going to have an effect on my brain chemistry.

The whole intensity of the experience for me is the reason I only play inside a committed relationship. But then again, I'm an old-fashioned kind of gal! (who appreciates superb bewbage )

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:32:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Oh they all suck. I'd say my least favorite is with a fluffy sadist who doesn't GET why I'm not at all aroused by his nipple pinching or that JUST because you grab my neck isn't going to automatically make me swoon.
This made me laugh-I think by your definition I'd be a pretty fluffy sadist...

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If I'm fighting the pain, then I say fuck you as loud and often as possible.
And does saying fuck you help?

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I'm not sure how to answer this without sounding arrogant or supremacist, so I'll just say it.
I don't think what you wrote sounded at all arrogant or supremacist-as Ron is so fond of saying: it is what it is. Saying that you play hard (I'm not sure if play is the right word for the situation but I can't find a better one) is a statement of fact-it's what you do.

Thanks for the answers, LA-I loved to read your take on the questions


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:37:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Inspired by this:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3133558

I could use cheering up-I'm stuck in bed in the bad sort of pain :-(

So I'm taking a leaf out of Akasha's book and trolling for my own gratification :D

She wanted to know about vulnerability. I want to know about pain. Cause I'm nasty like that. My questions to those of you who are or have been on the receiving end in any kind of painplay dynamic:

1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?

2) What's your favourite/least favourite form of painplay? Is there one particular toy/instrument/technique that you take one look at and go 'nonononononono' or 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease'? (For the purposes of this question let's pretend that a technique is something you can take a look at...)

3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?

4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account?

5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?

6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.

Obviously, don't feel you have to answer them aaaaall, but there will be virtual cookies for anyone who does

[EmotionalBlackmail] G'wan, make a miserable girl feel better about her day? Please? [/EmotionalBlackmail]



1) i am a maso with some things, some not,just depends on my mood~
2) favorite would be the belt,paddle,least fave would be needle play~
3) i do better working to a build up to subspace,if He hits me with His bare hand,angry for instance, i can't get my breathing right,so i endure and cry of course~
4)i've never known how much was coming~
5) either or if i can subspace,if He wont let me, thuddy i think~
6) Master isn't a sadist overall,but when He wants to hurt be it mind/body He will, so i'd say middle ground pain, can be quite evil with the mind~

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:37:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

I also need lots and lots of sex too - pain play is the ultimate foreplay!!!



(Don't need to respond with much more than a wink, do I? :P)

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I do also get 'sub drop' the next day, and my play partner needs to be the sensitive type who understands this and is supportive. It's not hugely dramatic, just a slight depression as my body copes with the after-effects of massive, prolonged endorphin highs. I can go into subspace up to a dozen times over a period of a few hours, and this is obviously going to have an effect on my brain chemistry.
I suppose that's the downside-the S&M equivalent of a nasty hangover. :-(

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But then again, I'm an old-fashioned kind of gal! (who appreciates superb bewbage )
I'm pretty sure old-fashioned gals appreciated bewbage, even if they didn't admit it!


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 12:46:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirsJewel

i do better working to a build up to subspace,if He hits me with His bare hand,angry for instance, i can't get my breathing right,so i endure and cry of course~
So your breathing is important in order to get into subspace?

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6) Master isn't a sadist overall,but when He wants to hurt be it mind/body He will, so i'd say middle ground pain, can be quite evil with the mind~
Sounds like a good place to be on the scale

Thanks for responding-would you like the cookie? :P


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:06:40 PM   
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No partner at the moment, so I'll answer those that apply...

1.

Yes, definitely, but it's also a mixture of the other category at times. It's kind of like I'm two masochists for different kinds of pain. There's the "that's fun; that turns me on" kind of pain, and then there's the "that's awful; the thought of genuinely suffering for your enjoyment turns me on" kind of pain. Ones erotic, the other is more... cathartic, than anything, as it's not erotic at the time, but still very enjoyable in it's own way.

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Favorite? Hands-on aggression - I love that direct contact between me and a man. It makes it so much more personal.

Least Favorite? Hot wax. Painful but not in a good way ( even though it's not at all severe ), and given that I'm pretty hairy, quite a mess to clean up.

3.

Depends on the pain. The first category ( directly erotic rather than severe ) I can float away pretty far with the masochist bunnies; the second category I'm more focused on the pain itself, but I do get a rush.

4.

All up to the man I'm with - his wants, his plans, his playground.

Honestly, he can let me know what he's going to do or it can be a surprise, but the idea of a scene I'd have a say in what happens is as exciting to me a chilled gruel. My biggest turn on is being controlled, way above my masochistic streak.

5.

Thud! Always the thud...

Now all this thinking is sure making me wish for a sadist right now. I feel like someone on a diet writing "The Complete History Of The Fudge Brownie".





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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:07:05 PM   
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Yes, i need to get my breathing nice and deep not shallow to subspace. If He asks me responses, i'm toast and i cant, lol. Thankyou for the cookie yes please,lol ~ jewels

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:16:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave

Favorite? Hands-on aggression - I love that direct contact between me and a man. It makes it so much more personal.
Yum.


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... given that I'm pretty hairy, quite a mess to clean up.
I would personally have said that was half the fun (but then I'm a bad person)

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All up to the man I'm with - his wants, his plans, his playground.
I love it when s-types describe themselves as a playground! Possibly my favourite kinky turn of phrase *ever*.

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Now all this thinking is sure making me wish for a sadist right now. I feel like someone on a diet writing "The Complete History Of The Fudge Brownie".
You *will* find someone, my lovely-you are far too amazing not to. I know I haven't directly interacted with you all that much, but it's always a pleasure to see that you've posted on a thread. Thankyou for replying, and here is your cookie


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:18:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirsJewel

Yes, i need to get my breathing nice and deep not shallow to subspace. If He asks me responses, i'm toast and i cant, lol.
I am a bad person. My immediate mental response to reading that was 'PutHerInnaCorsetPutHerInnaCorsetPutHerInnaCorset'...

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Thankyou for the cookie yes please,lol ~ jewels
There you go
*cookie*


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:21:09 PM   
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haha meanie lol ~ jewels

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:22:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SirsJewel

meanie
You say that like it's a bad thing...


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:36:03 PM   
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na it's all good, hope You feel better ~ jewels

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 1:59:57 PM   
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This made me laugh-I think by your definition I'd be a pretty fluffy sadist...


I know I certainly am, they are vital to the scene life and making masochists happy. It's really the clueless part that is the problem- they've been trained that if they tweak here and spank here that a bottom will get all gooey. The idea that some of us will endure pain and not at all be turned on by it is too complex for them.

Luckily I don't hang around too many anymore who try to convince me that THEY will magically transform me into a masochist and that I "just haven't been played right." (eye roll)

Not to mention of course, masochists can also be submissive and be involved in some situations where they don't enjoy the pain at all- it's not that hard to get over the pain to pleasure threshhold.

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And does saying fuck you help?

Na, and that's not why I do it. It's just a release of energy and being allowed to fight.

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I don't think what you wrote sounded at all arrogant or supremacist-as Ron is so fond of saying: it is what it is. Saying that you play hard (I'm not sure if play is the right word for the situation but I can't find a better one) is a statement of fact-it's what you do.


Thanks, that's good. I'm also a fluffy player- it's really not about getting more/higher/better which is why I didn't want it to sound like that. My partner isn't sadistic AT ALL. It's just all in where you want to go and how you want to get there- some things need hard and extreme, some things need soft.

It can be fun to watch a bottom really squirm and get uncomfy because you're doing something NICE for them :)


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 2:40:12 PM   
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i am a masochist and love it. i prefer thudding pain but stingy gets me to subspace so fast and deep, master wont let me see whats coming but never does anything he knows i hate but will gently push limits however he knows my reactions so well and often better than i know mine.


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