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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 4:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The idea that some of us will endure pain and not at all be turned on by it is too complex for them.
Or just terrible for their ego-'her knickers haven't shot off; what's wrong with my technique?!?'...heh. That one hit a bit close to home. That might be something I've got to work on...

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Thanks, that's good. I'm also a fluffy player- it's really not about getting more/higher/better which is why I didn't want it to sound like that. My partner isn't sadistic AT ALL. It's just all in where you want to go and how you want to get there- some things need hard and extreme, some things need soft.
I see that

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It can be fun to watch a bottom really squirm and get uncomfy because you're doing something NICE for them :)
Is that a whole different level of evil?


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 4:28:17 PM   
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i am a masochist and love it.
Glad to hear you're doing wat'cha love

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i prefer thudding pain but stingy gets me to subspace so fast and deep
So you prefer the type which takes longer to get you to subspace?

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/25/2010 5:09:53 PM   
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1. I am a sado-masochist, and a bit of a sadist when I have someone to play with

2. I don't really have a favorite. Although for me I guess you could say my masochist streak prefers body mod. I randomly guage my ears, currently 10, and let them shrink to do it again. Also love the process of tattoo's.

3. No bunnies, but for me the pain centers me and I can process what is really bothering me, or what is going on in my head. I guess the pain becomes the object and dealing with it deals with whatever's going on. Does that make sense?

4. I always know what I am going to do to myself, uasually I will list the things I plan on doing and do some of them. That way it is at least a suprise.

5. Both I guess, Again I haven't really had much play time with another person so not to sure which is more fun.

6. I am the evil partner


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 3:55:07 AM   
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I randomly guage my ears, currently 10, and let them shrink to do it again.
They shrink?!? I had no idea. Guess you learn a new thing every day...

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Also love the process of tattoo's.
Me too! Especially if the tattooist is hot. :P

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Does that make sense?
What you wrote made a lot of sense-using pain as a processing tool, right? Sometimes it just helps concentrate stuff.

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I am the evil partner
And it's a hella fun place to be, huh?

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 5:38:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?
I'm a masochist, pretty much. Every group I'm part of knows it, and some fondly refer to me as the "willing victim"

2) What's your favourite/least favourite form of painplay? Is there one particular toy/instrument/technique that you take one look at and go 'nonononononono' or 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease'? (For the purposes of this question let's pretend that a technique is something you can take a look at...)
Favorite would have to be the canes. The lovely, sharp stinging and pretty red welts it leaves. Though dragontails do leave prettier, leopard spot like bruises. The only thing I'm nononono about is single tails, because those bastards are downright scary, and I can be a chicken lol. I want to try, but at the same time.. I want to really really trust the person I let use one on me.

3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?
Once I hit subspace I'm definitely a floater, and half the time I'll start coming down from a scene and realize I've been crying and didn't know it because I was so out there. I'm also a screamer, from what I'm told, but until I reach that spot I go through a thought process of mentally repeating "Oh fuck That hurt! I can't take much more! Owowowow! Okay, just a few more...!" then I drift off.

4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? I prefer not to know, because if I see what they're grabbing before they hit me with it I sometimes get distracted by my own thoughts of why that particular thing hurts like it does, and why I like it so much. If I don't know whats coming, I can more so wallow in the sensations without over thinking.

5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?
Stingy. Definitely prefer the stingy over the thuddy, but thuddy is good for warm up. The few people I play with know my preference and those evil, evil people usually don't take it into account the nice way, and sometimes I don't get a warm up before the misery stick comes out. I adore them so.

6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.
The two people I play with are on the AAAAAARGH end, so proven by the bruises on my thigh that are finally gone, after having been put there a month ago. Now I just need them to come around to replace them lol

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 6:55:43 AM   
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"willing victim"
Fantastic nickname!

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"Oh fuck That hurt! I can't take much more! Owowowow! Okay, just a few more...!" then I drift off.
I can relate to that-basically just hanging on in there...

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The few people I play with know my preference and those evil, evil people usually don't take it into account the nice way, and sometimes I don't get a warm up before the misery stick comes out. I adore them so.
So does adoring an evil person make you evil by extension?

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The two people I play with are on the AAAAAARGH end, so proven by the bruises on my thigh that are finally gone, after having been put there a month ago. Now I just need them to come around to replace them lol
Woohoo! I hope you enjoy the replacement :P

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 7:36:25 AM   
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I'm a masochist (and a sadist!)

*Wonders if she has ever beaten herself silly only to end up on the floor with a crap eaten grin on her face


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 8:41:31 AM   
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crap eaten grin
Keep the coprophagia out of my nice pure innocent sadism thread, yeah?




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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 8:58:57 AM   
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I'm a masochist (and a sadist!)

*Wonders if she has ever beaten herself silly only to end up on the floor with a crap eaten grin on her face



I've tried but haven't been able to beat myself at all. I do routinely practice needle & wax design on myself though.. mostly upper legs and breasts since they are easy to reach. For some reason, though, it never seems to hurt enough.

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 12:17:52 PM   
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I've always thought 'what a wonderful attitude', but I've never felt like it was my place to say so-this is, however, MY THREAD, so I'm going to say it: yours is a wonderful attitude to have, IMO.

Again, yum. This thread is simultaneously making me happystupid and guaranteeing me a place in hell...

Aww, you're really sweet, thanks! There are a few things that I almost always enjoy that sensation, or have a reliable/reproducible effect on me. I have to give a lot of the credit to the Sadists/Tops/Dominants who introduced me to scary new things in a way that I enjoyed. It's easy to be game to try new things when it almost always goes well! That's one of the few situations in which I'll make a special request, if I want to try something new, with someone who is experienced with it. My pain tolerance isn't as high as some people's, I'd consider myself to be roughly mid-range, so I know if someone hits me hard enough with anything more intense than a bunny flogger, they can probably injure me or hurt me, especially if I'm not in subspace yet. One time, while I was flying, I accidentally bonked my head on a beam (they had me stand up on the table, and I guess I was a little taller than they thought). It didn't hurt a bit at the time, I just giggled, but I had a goose-egg for about a week afterward. Thankfully, I didn't give myself a concussion, but with that level of endorphins, I'm not sure if it would have hurt if it had!

Nah, nothing wrong with being a sadist! I'm one too, and I'm not bound in that direction. BTW, I know a lot of people who enjoy sensory deprivation, but I don't know anyone else who goes to subspace from sensory overload when the deprivation ends. Some people I've played with like taking advantage of it, but some don't want me floating off so quickly!

If I think I could be submissive to someone, I need him or her to hurt me to a degree I don't like, before I can be sure. It's one of the things that the way I react is very tied into my perception of D/s or M/s. I don't need them to only hurt me in bad ways, or do it all the time, but if I don't respond by wanting to suffer for them, I have difficulty being submissive toward them. I can still obey and do service-oriented things, but it's not the same mindset.

I hope your leg is all better soon!

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 1:27:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious



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The few people I play with know my preference and those evil, evil people usually don't take it into account the nice way, and sometimes I don't get a warm up before the misery stick comes out. I adore them so.
So does adoring an evil person make you evil by extension?




I suppose it depends on who you ask, but generally adoring evil people and letting them test my limits makes me a very good girl indeed

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 2:39:28 PM   
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1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?

I need the pain. I do not care what it is called-this pain of life. All I know is that it makes me feel alive and whole.

2) What's your favourite/least favourite form of painplay? Is there one particular toy/instrument/technique that you take one look at and go 'nonononononono' or 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease'? (For the purposes of this question let's pretend that a technique is something you can take a look at...)

My favorite would have to be a test of my pain tolerance. Everywhere, unfortunately this includes my fantesticals. Needles really freak me out so I would have to be bound tight so the struggle is less. Not too fond of cutting.

3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?

Zen. It works quite well.

4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account?

It is unbecoming for my servitude to have preferences. Her preferences  are mine, especially the wicked parts. :D i am not sure i made too much sense on this one.

5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?

I will take the pain of either and as I said in the last question, Her preferences are mine. I cannot deny such a lovely lady of her pleasures.

6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.


Evil. I do not see her reign upon my being as evil. If she did not bring me joy I would not be there. Evil has its cuteness. :3


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 2:45:39 PM   
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They shrink?!? I had no idea. Guess you learn a new thing every day...


When you guage your ears you stretch them and then slide the new jewlry in so that the picering heals around it and stays. If you guage and don't put a ring in it will revery back to normal or close to it.

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 4:27:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

It's easy to be game to try new things when it almost always goes well!
I guess that's true, but a large part of that must be a confidence in your own ability ability to pick good tops/D's/M's...

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Thankfully, I didn't give myself a concussion, but with that level of endorphins, I'm not sure if it would have hurt if it had!
Yikes-I know a girl who fell down a flight of stairs after a session once-she was ok, thankfully, but she said much the same thing.

(And yet *I* fall down some stairs with a totally clear head and dodge my legs up for *weeks* )

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goes to subspace from sensory overload when the deprivation ends
...still just as yummy the second time you say it...

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...if I don't respond by wanting to suffer for them, I have difficulty being submissive toward them.
It's always interesting to hear people's criteria for submission-I'm not sure I've heard anyone put it quite like this before

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I hope your leg is all better soon!
Thankyou
I just need to stop doing stuff for a while...



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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 4:34:18 PM   
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My favorite would have to be a test of my pain tolerance. Everywhere, unfortunately this includes my fantesticals.
See, you say 'unfortunately', but I'm not quite sure I believe you mean that-otherwise it wouldn't be on your favourites list

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It is unbecoming for my servitude to have preferences. Her preferences  are mine, especially the wicked parts. :D i am not sure i made too much sense on this one.
You made plenty of sense-your preference is for her preference to take precedence :D

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Evil has its cuteness. :3
Hey! I resemble that remark!

Thankyou for the gorgeous response, Pyro-have a cookie!



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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 4:36:45 PM   
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If you guage and don't put a ring in it will revery back to normal or close to it.
Well I never-I'd always just assumed it was an irreversible process, without thinking too much about it...


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 4:39:32 PM   
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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/26/2010 4:43:11 PM   
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You know how sometimes you just assume a thing to be true, and then it's a bit of a shock to find it isn't? Even if that thing has absolutely *no* bearing on your day to day life, you're just thinking 'but...but...but...I thought...huh?'

That was prettymuch my reaction :-)


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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/27/2010 4:09:33 AM   
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Inspired by this:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3133558

I could use cheering up-I'm stuck in bed in the bad sort of pain :-(

So I'm taking a leaf out of Akasha's book and trolling for my own gratification :D

She wanted to know about vulnerability. I want to know about pain. Cause I'm nasty like that. My questions to those of you who are or have been on the receiving end in any kind of painplay dynamic:

1) Are you a masochist yourself, or do/did you suffer through it because you've fallen for a sadist and the presence of pain in your dynamic is a consequence of that?

i would have said im not a masso and that i have struggled through because he wanted me to, he felt i needed to or because i had to for discipline/punishment reasons - but after reading most of the self identified massos here i seem to align with them. in that pain is pain, you want it to stop but when it does you want/need more.  for me not immediately but after a day or so i do.  but then i dont go floaty or into subspace or orgasm from pain.

2) What's your favourite/least favourite form of painplay? Is there one particular toy/instrument/technique that you take one look at and go 'nonononononono' or 'pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease'? (For the purposes of this question let's pretend that a technique is something you can take a look at...)

i like the intimacy of a hand spanking - it hurts when its done right and its stingy, which increases the struggle element i seem to need and for me its good pain.  bad pain is the crop and nipple twisting - i loathe them


3) Are you one of those people who can just float away on top of the pain to a land of clouds and fluffy bunnies, or do you need to actively process the pain? If you need them, what sort of coping strategies have you developed? Do they work?

no fluffy bunnies for me sadly - id love that.  i have to process, so far as it goes, though the process is really nothing more than staying put and getting to the end.  ive never safe worded and i never want to - i get there because he wants me to and i want him to trust that i will always get there.

4) Do you like to know what (and how much of it) is coming, or do you prefer to just take it as it comes? Does/did your partner take this preference into account?

i have been told how many i was getting and it helped me to focus on getting through to the end.  on occasions if i hadnt known i think i might have found it all a bit too much.  i could 'see' the goal posts if you like and i was able to set myself that target.  that was with things like the crop/paddle/cane - all BIG pain for me.  a hand spanking, even when its hard and stings like hell i can struggle with without a need to know a number - being taken to the point of crying and catharsis can vary each time

5) Your preference: stingy or thuddy? Does/did your partner take this preference into account? If so, do they take it into account in the nice way (you get what they know you like) or the eeeeevil way (you get what they know you hate)?

both on all of that really

6) On a scale of ouch to AAAAAAAAAARGH, rate your partner in terms of evilness.

cant answer that one yet.

Obviously, don't feel you have to answer them aaaaall, but there will be virtual cookies for anyone who does

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RE: Unashamed Trolling Take 2: The Painplay Version! - 6/27/2010 11:39:27 AM   
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i would have said im not a masso and that i have struggled through because he wanted me to, he felt i needed to or because i had to for discipline/punishment reasons - but after reading most of the self identified massos here i seem to align with them.
It's funny, that-of all the terms people struggle with in wiitwd you'd expect 'masochist' to be one of the most clear cut in terms of self-identification, but clearly not-there's been some interesting variation in this thread

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no fluffy bunnies for me sadly - id love that.  i have to process, so far as it goes, though the process is really nothing more than staying put and getting to the end.  ive never safe worded and i never want to - i get there because he wants me to and i want him to trust that i will always get there.
There is something very delicious about that kind of steely determination.

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i have been told how many i was getting and it helped me to focus on getting through to the end.  on occasions if i hadnt known i think i might have found it all a bit too much.  i could 'see' the goal posts if you like and i was able to set myself that target. 
I think you're the first person to have said that you prefer to know a number in some situations-I love how clearly different all the answers in this thread are from each other :D

Thanks for the response, lally-would you like a cookie?



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