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laurell3 -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 4:24:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BentUnit <------wonders if going topless will stop the people 2 doors down from cranking up the Karaoke Machine at 8.30 on a Sunday Morning? something to ponder. I wonder if it will work on the yappy lap dog next door....

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 4:24:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Many places have noise ordinances that would cover the ATV, along with loud stereos, etc. I am American as well and live in america. Unless you live in a Gated Community where there are community guidelines Noise Ordinance is Before 8AM and After 10PM. Between 8AM and 10PM the only ordinance is on sounds with a Decibel level of 120Dbi or Above. And even then it MUST BE VERIFIED to be legally upheld. Meaning when your neighbors stereo is too loud and the Police visit them and ask them to turn it down They can LEGALLY tell him NO. I have been educated on this recently. QSM

laurell3 -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 4:26:11 PM)
QSM, Ordinances are local. There's no set standard. Here just about anything is a nuisance or disturbing the peace merely because another says so. You cannot assume that your law applies anywhere else on something like this.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 4:39:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 QSM, Ordinances are local. There's no set standard. Here just about anything is a nuisance or disturbing the peace merely because another says so. You cannot assume that your law applies anywhere else on something like this. Agreed 100% and I am sorry I did not say so in the previous post, BUT what I posted is the most commonly agreed on standing for most City Charters on regard to Noise Ordinances. It is probable what 90% of all cities in the United States Agree on unless there is a local Outcry for a change. The Ordinance usually states that you cannot have any Item over 80Dbi before 8AM which causes LOTS of problems for TrashMen and so this is usually ignored unless it is Construction, and you cannot have any noises over 60Dbi after 10PM Monday through friday. Most Cities have different views on weekends but usually on the Start time, not the stop time. Most Police will only get involved with noise complaints on a Party after 11pm on weekends. But you are right it can be different depending on where you live but this is the most common that I can find. QSM

BentUnit -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 4:44:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 quote: ORIGINAL: BentUnit <------wonders if going topless will stop the people 2 doors down from cranking up the Karaoke Machine at 8.30 on a Sunday Morning? something to ponder. I wonder if it will work on the yappy lap dog next door.... It might, Laurell. It's worth a shot. Please take pics Please. [8D]

Arpig -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 8:10:06 PM)
quote: It is really comical to see hypocracy at this level. There is no hypocrisy involved, I don't buy into that whole "consent" thing...if an action is legal then the consent of bystanders is not required...that's what the law is for. Yes it IS OK to lead youre partner around on a leash, yes it is OK to go topless, and yes it is also OK to drive an ATV around on your own property if you so chose. The fact that the neighbours have an issue with toplessness is irrelevant, that's their problem, and it was rather ingenious of the woman in question to come up with a simple peaceful way of putting an end to the annoying noise. She isn't forcing the kid to stop, the neighbours are.

Arpig -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/25/2010 8:15:57 PM)
quote: Again, I'm not saying the woman is right in doing what she is doing - to me it is a form of child abuse. I rarely totally disagree with your posts, but in this case I must...total and utter rubbish...I suppose you would classify breastfeeding in front of a child to be a form of child abuse as well?

RCdc -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Again, I'm not saying the woman is right in doing what she is doing - to me it is a form of child abuse. I rarely totally disagree with your posts, but in this case I must...total and utter rubbish...I suppose you would classify breastfeeding in front of a child to be a form of child abuse as well? No. But if her intent is to cause any type of harm to a child, then it's abuse. Doesn't matter if it's showing breasts, or throwing a bucket of cold water over the child. the.dark.

xxblushesxx -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:28:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Again, I'm not saying the woman is right in doing what she is doing - to me it is a form of child abuse. I rarely totally disagree with your posts, but in this case I must...total and utter rubbish...I suppose you would classify breastfeeding in front of a child to be a form of child abuse as well? No. But if her intent is to cause any type of harm to a child, then it's abuse. Doesn't matter if it's showing breasts, or throwing a bucket of cold water over the child. the.dark. My feelings as well.

Nineveh -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:35:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cinmin Instead of antagonzing the neighbors why not think of something else for him to do. If I was watching a 5 yr old I too would be encouraging him to go outside LOL. Why not set up a cheap slip-n-slide out in the yard...a tarp with the hose turned on. Its alot quieter and alot of fun for a 5 yr old. Even a sprinkler and sit out there and spend time with him (hopefully in a bikini or something) get some sun and enjoy helping out your neighbors. It would also probaby make you alot more popular with the neighbors and not get you arrested. I'd be more concerned about the neighbor setting up a slip n slide for my kid than coming outside topless if I didn't know her aside from adversarial contact concerning my kid making noise in the past.

Nineveh -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:41:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan quote: ORIGINAL: Level QSM, I think they should put the kid on a leash, out of reach of the ATV. [:D] I love peace and quiet! Now here is the funny thing, I agree with you, but the thing, if this happened in America, considering the ATV in question was something the child was legally allowed to be on, his parents right to allow him to be in the ATV is protected, however your right to peace and quiet is not. The Point being, I would love to hear just how loud this thing really is and how long he rides it cause you know I can't think this is something that is going on for any extended period of time. I personally think this is a Neighborhood Feud and they Bare Chested Broad is really just making more waves and the Barry's will eventually find away to top that. It's childish and stupid is what it is. Both people are acting like idiots none of them should be praised for their behavior. QSM Where I live the ATV parents would have received a warning, and then a fine if they ignored it. Noise ordinance here doesn't have a time constraint as many people work 3rd shift. I'm not sure why you see calling the cops on someone in order to inconvenience them and coerce their behavior as better than flashing boobies in order to do so.

Arpig -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:48:49 PM)
quote: No. But if her intent is to cause any type of harm to a child, then it's abuse. Doesn't matter if it's showing breasts, or throwing a bucket of cold water over the child. But that wasn't her intent, her intent was to make the neighbouring adults so uncomfortable they would bring the child inside. No harm of any sort was done to the kid (unless you count being brought inside) so it simply is not child abuse. She had an unpleasant situation and she found a non-violent way to resolve it to her satisfaction, a way that caused harm to nobody and broke no laws...I say kudos to her.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 1:53:41 PM)
Actually Nineveh, Here is the ordinace in your area. http://www.conwaygreene.com/Coshocton/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-hit-h.htm&2.0 And where as you are correct there is no time line there is a distance of 50 feet where the sound must be audible at to be considered nuisance. If this is in a neighborhood where you live it would be easy to argue the only time she has issue is when the vehicle is within 50 feet and there for not subject to a noise complaint. Also this is where YOU live and not where THEY life. The point being, people who bitch about things like this are annoying to me anyway, sometimes my TV gets loud I am so glad no one complains because then I would feel I need to complain when they make noise. I really think people should just hash this shit out and then knock it off. QSM

Nineveh -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/26/2010 2:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan Actually Nineveh, Here is the ordinace in your area. http://www.conwaygreene.com/Coshocton/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=main-hit-h.htm&2.0 And where as you are correct there is no time line there is a distance of 50 feet where the sound must be audible at to be considered nuisance. If this is in a neighborhood where you live it would be easy to argue the only time she has issue is when the vehicle is within 50 feet and there for not subject to a noise complaint. Also this is where YOU live and not where THEY life. The point being, people who bitch about things like this are annoying to me anyway, sometimes my TV gets loud I am so glad no one complains because then I would feel I need to complain when they make noise. I really think people should just hash this shit out and then knock it off. QSM I agree that working it out without resorting to police or nudity is a much better solution. However sometimes that is not possible. In those cases I know I'd prefer seeing boobies (even saggy old ones) rather than cops at the door. I think my daughter would be much more traumatized by cops at the door rather than by nudity.

RCdc -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 8:32:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: No. But if her intent is to cause any type of harm to a child, then it's abuse. Doesn't matter if it's showing breasts, or throwing a bucket of cold water over the child. But that wasn't her intent, her intent was to make the neighbouring adults so uncomfortable they would bring the child inside. No harm of any sort was done to the kid (unless you count being brought inside) so it simply is not child abuse. She had an unpleasant situation and she found a non-violent way to resolve it to her satisfaction, a way that caused harm to nobody and broke no laws...I say kudos to her. She still used the child for her own gains and abused her age over the child. Doesn't matter if shes using it to make the grand parents uncomfortable, using a child as emotional blackmail is abusive. Edit to add - I do not support parents doing this with their own children during speration and divorce to force matters, why would I agree with using a child in a situation like this? the.dark.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 10:18:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc No. But if her intent is to cause any type of harm to a child, then it's abuse. Doesn't matter if it's showing breasts, or throwing a bucket of cold water over the child. So you are saying Canadian law as it stands fails to prevent child abuse? I don't know how much of a traumatic event showing breasts to a child is. Whether or not this brat psychologically recovers from this horrendous traumatising event only time will tell. It's not against the law to ride an ATV and it's not against the law to show breasts in Canada. So these two warring parties are at something of an impasse. Perhaps communication and setting boundaries so that they are all allowing for one another's needs is the way forward?

Icarys -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 10:36:28 AM)
As magnificent as thedarks breast are (at least that's what i hear) and knowing how they might have changed the direction of my life for the good if only I could have seen them at that age(I've heard they are orbs of glowing goodness..sent from the man above to do righteous things for the planet) it doesn't make the situation any better(Well, their situation)...I'm going to have to agree with her. The fact that the woman planned it on the assumption that it would cause issues with the grandparents was wrong. She knew full well that she was doing something dirty.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 10:37:33 AM)
I LOVE how this kid is a Brat, just because he is playing outside on something fun. I FUCKING LOVE THAT. So far all that has been said is that the Lady Dislikes it, Everyone assumes how Loud it is, that the Kid is a Brat, that the Neighbors are the Problem..... Did it never once occur to ANYONE that maybe this Lady is the Problem? Maybe NO ONE ELSE in the neighborhood is bothered by this little 5 year old Child? Seriously I love the assumptions that people present as FACT when there is nothing to substanciate the belief. The Child is 5, Not watching TV, Outside, Playing on something the Police are aware of and have not told him to stop, and none of the other neighbors are listed in the article. The Article in fact ONLY presents ONE side of the argument as NO ONE ELSE was interviewed and all the quotes are only from HER POINT OF VIEW. You Guys are so silly sometimes. QSM

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 10:46:49 AM)
I have a couple thoughts on this, because the last couple days I've been coming back to it in my mind and pondering a few things. If Canadian law permits women as well as men to go topless, I'm assuming it is probably a socially acceptable situation and cultural norm in that region. I wonder at the conflicting message this gives a child, when his/her neighbor is seen topless and the parents react in the way they did. So, I wonder if even though it is legal, maybe it isn't all that socially acceptable or cultural norm, and that is why the parents acted as they did? I dont' really know. If the neighbor deliberately used partial nudity as a means to harass her neighbors, then it likely isn't. Unless her neighbors are an uptight minority who continues to sexualize and demonize female breasts, and not reflective of the typical mindframe of Canadians. I really don't know, but now I'm really curious to go visit my neighboring country. I've always done my best to keep the peace with my neighbors. I raised 4 boys, and trust me, this hasn't always been easy. My boys tended to make Denise the Menace seem rather angelic at times. Keeping the peace may not be easy, but it is preferable to having conflict in my life. I don't really understand the motivations behind people who can't allow for a little compromise and mutual respect in their lives. If I knew my son was annoying the neighbors by incessantly driving an atv all day long, I'd limit the time he could ride it. Not that I'd have ever let a five year old ride an ATV. The idea makes me cringe. I dont' know if what the lady did was inappropriate or not. If she did it, knowing it was shocking and inapproprate around a child then I believe she was wrong. If it was something the child could reasonably see elsewhere, because of the countries laws and cultural tempature regarding female toplessness, then no - I don't think she was wrong. I remember growing up, we had a neighbor that sunbathed topless. My dad just shrugged and told my little brother that there wasn't anything wrong with it. I just thought she had really sexy tits, and hoped to have a pair like that when I grew up. Because no one made a big deal out of it, most of us hardly ever paid her any attention after the first few days of curiousity. This brings me back to my first query. I'm not sure who was really the most damaging to the child. The parents that turned the topless image of a woman into a BAD thing that mustn't ever be seen, or the topless woman who used her breasts to manipulate a situation in her favor.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors (6/27/2010 10:50:42 AM)
People should be more considerate all round as to how their actions effect others. If you live in an urban area and have no consideration then you won't last long. Fine to do as you like when you are miles away from the nearest person that might complain about what you are doing. Where did this idea come from that children should have to be told by their parents or grandparents how annoying they are, have they no idea themselves? If you've gotten to the stage where you are calling the police and removing clothes to solve the problem then you are, from what I'd take as face value, someone at pretty much the end of your tether. It's no news that some people are pretty willing to let others steamroller over them.

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