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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Still not right...and you know it... we are talking and have always been talking about penalties for hiring illegal aliens... Not harboring them…not transporting them but penalties for the first offense for hiring.

None of your misdirection will work...I will not allow you to do it… you are mine.

Butch

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Harboring is:

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It is not.... there is only one statute covering hiring illegal aliens and I posted it... you were wrong on the penalties and have been trying to justify your error for the last week hoping I will not check the thread...not going to happen.

Butch

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Harboring is:

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employeror agent for an employer in any way

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You are full of crap and you know it...Show me the statute on hiring illegal aliens not harboring or transporting them...I posted it for you...want some help?

It is a simple thing... but as we know you can't do it because you exaggerated and did not know the law until I showed you.

There are all manner of laws in this country and each one covers a particular crime and none other…such is the case with hiring aliens. If you can’t get your laws straight then you should just be quiet...or look like a fool.

Which will you do shut up, like a good little boy, or be a fool?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



I have posted the law and all of the appropriate links to valildate it. If you choose to ignore it then that is really your problem and none of mine.
You said you would appologize when I showed you to be wrong. I have and you continue to deny what is clearly written in plane english.
Please do try to have a nice day.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx



I have posted the law and all of the appropriate links to valildate it. If you choose to ignore it then that is really your problem and none of mine.
You said you would appologize when I showed you to be wrong. I have and you continue to deny what is clearly written in plane english.
Please do try to have a nice day.

No you have not... there is only one Federal law covering hiring aliens...and you know it... You have lost your validity with me and others... you are just an undisciplined trash mouth...I had hoped better of you. Not worth my breath anymore and I will leave you to your shame.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Your not going to get away with false information..below is the law...the only law that applies to unlawful employment of aliens. There is no $10,000 fine for first offenses or 5 years in thre slammer as you claimed.

I'll not post again because you are not worth it...people know you now

You keep saying you are going to shut up but so far your mouth seems to be hinged in the middle and flapping at both ends.
You were wrong and have been shown, by the cites I have posted, to be wrong and yet you persist in your mindless denial of that which is clearly presented to you.

INA: ACT 274A - UNLAWFUL EMPLOYMENT OF ALIENS

Here you say that 1324 is the only law concerning hiring of illegal aliens.

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Why don't you read... TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part VIII, Sec. 1324a.... the REAL law not one you made up..

Then of course there is the conspiracy statute which I also cited.
As should be clear to you by now there are both civil and criminal penalities for hiring an illegal allien. There are also several statutes which concern themselves with the hiring of illegal aliens and the law is quite clear that prosecution under all of the governing statutes is appropriate and that the sentences can be consecutive and compilable.
I have cited them for you and you can't seem to pick which one you want to be "the" one. First it is this one then it is that one and then it is civil and now you think maybe there might also be a criminal felony involved also




Butch

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Maria Teresa Lamayo Ngo signed a plea agreement on April 13, 2009 while her husband, Wilfredo Tiongco Ngo, signed a plea agreement on April 28, 2009. Their co-accused, Gicela Sarabia, 43, has not yet copped a plea.

The Ngo couple were charged with a four-count indictment returned in August last year, charging them with inducing aliens to reside in the United States; knowingly employing illegal aliens; knowingly harboring illegal aliens; and counseling persons to engage in marriage fraud. Sarabia was charged with inducing aliens to reside in the U.S. and knowingly hiring illegal aliens.

A-Plus Senior Planning Services is a private health care agency that provides basic care to the elderly in assisted-living facilities in Orange County since January 2005. It has 200 employees, half of them are said to be undocumented. It has 65 employees, 20 with non-immigrant visas, with denied political asylum, engaged in fraudulent sham marriage or had been previously ordered deported.

The agency was originally named Better Care Solutions. When the company was audited, it changed its name to A-Plus Senior Planning Services. When they were arraigned by US Magistrate Judge Marc L. Goldman last August 25, 2008, the Ngo's and Sarabia pleaded not guilty of the charges against them. In the 13-page plea agreement, for the Ngo couple, in order for them to plead guilty of count one for violation of “Title 8, U.S. Code, Sec. 1324 (a) (1) (A) (iv), “the following must be true: 1) there was an alien; 2) defendant encouraged or induced that alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States in violation of law; and 3) defendant knew or was in reckless disregard of the fact that that alien’s coming to, entry into, or residence in the United States would be a violation of the law.”

The maximum sentence that the court imposes for violation of Title 8 for each “alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs, is: five years imprisonment; three-year period of supervised release; a fine of $250,000 or twice the gross gain or gross loss resulting from the offense, whichever is the greatest; and mandatory special assessment of $100."

The agreement said because the violation involves 43 aliens, the couple is going to be sentenced to 215 years imprisonment; three year supervised release; a fine of $10,750,000 or twice the gross gain or gross loss resulting from the offense, whichever is greatest; and a mandatory special assessment of $4,300.

The agreement was agreed and accepted by Mieke I. Biesheuvel, Assistant U.S. Attorney on behalf of Thomas P. O’Brien, U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California, and Robert A. Van Hoy, counsel for defendant Maria Teresa Lamayo Ngo, and Mark W. Fredrick, counsel for Wilfredo Tiongco Ngo. Sarabia was said to have overstayed her US as non-immigrant visa. While the Ngo’s reportedly entered into sham marriages.

The alleged illegal activity of A-Plus, formerly knownas Better Care Solutions, was found out when two Filipino caregivers filed unemployment claims in July and October of 2006 with the California Employment Development Division.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Tazzygirl he is just trying to cloud the picture... this law is for harboring and transporting aliens... NOT for unlawfully employing them... these are two different laws for different crimes. This is not for the roofer or landscaper who hires an illegal alien...I've pointed that out over and over. This is a law for the people who smuggle them over the border or pay for someone else to do it.

Damn just look up the laws and read them… he is depending on us not doing it.

Butch

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by acting as employeror agent for an employer in any way

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

willbe, butch is right.


� 1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens

That is the law my article was discussing.

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: tazzygirl
The agreement said because the violation involves 43 aliens, the couple is going to be sentenced to 215 years imprisonment; three year supervised release; a fine of $10,750,000 or twice the gross gain or gross loss resulting from the offense, whichever is greatest; and a mandatory special assessment of $4,300.

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In the 13-page plea agreement, for the Ngo couple, in order for them to plead guilty of count one for violation of “Title 8, U.S. Code, Sec. 1324 (a) (1) (A) (iv), “the following must be true: 1) there was an alien; 2) defendant encouraged or induced that alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States in violation of law; and 3) defendant knew or was in reckless disregard of the fact that that alien’s coming to, entry into, or residence in the United States would be a violation of the law.”

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Tazzygirl he is just trying to cloud the picture... this law is for harboring and transporting aliens... NOT for unlawfully employing them... these are two different laws for different crimes. This is not for the roofer or landscaper who hires an illegal alien...I've pointed that out over and over. This is a law for the people who smuggle them over the border or pay for someone else to do it.

Damn just look up the laws and read them… he is depending on us not doing it.

Butch