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Rule -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 12:30:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
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ORIGINAL: Rule
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
WEARY, weary, weary...... get it?

So drop it. Go do something fun instead of something wearying.

As in my "finalized" answer to the OP, I often find the religious, spiritual, whatever to be condescending.  Thanks for another prime example.

Umm, LH, my post did not have anything to do with religion nor spirituality, nor whatevers. Neither was it condescending. It was instead well-intentioned advice.




tazzygirl -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 5:28:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

You NEVER said "son."  You used the phrase "little boy."  And I made no assumption about what you meant by that phrase.  You don't or can't even read what you wrote.



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And i did mean back UNDER your bed. That is where my little boy hid when he feared the monsters in the closet.
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My son is my little boy. And i did use those exact words. My little boy. Again with the reading comprehension.


Yes, you did use those words.  I said you did not use the word "son."

"my little boy" could mean many other things than "son."  We'll start with an adopted male child.  How about a nephew - not adopted, but you have custody due to either death of his parent's or an ugly situation.... or many other circumstances.  "my little boy" means - to me - a young male child.  If he's your son, say so..... don't leave the reader guessing what you mean.


Spoken like a man who has no children. I have often discussed my son on these boards.

The only one guessing is you. And since it is only you, the problem lies with you.




tazzygirl -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 5:30:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

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I got no problem with that. None at all. You do realize the Senate has a Chaplain, yes?

You bet I do.  Do you want me to list the hundreds of separation "violations"?  How 'bout coinage?  The pledge of Alligance?

I'm WEARY of making these lists,  WEARY of asking for what is correct and logical.  WEARY, weary, weary...... get it?

ETA: National Day of Prayer.  National holiday for Christmas.....


IF its legally approved by our government, how can they be violations?




eihwaz -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 9:58:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
You bet I do.  Do you want me to list the hundreds of separation "violations"?  How 'bout coinage?  The pledge of Alligance?
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ETA: National Day of Prayer.  National holiday for Christmas.....


IF its legally approved by our government, how can they be violations?

I think he meant violation of the principle of separation of religion and state.  It's certainly possible for legal activities to do so.




vincentML -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 9:11:27 PM)

Maybe one reason why atheists are perceived to be narrow-minded is because believers do not know how to speak to atheists nor how to listen to them according to the Evangelical author of this article. Krattenmaker reports:

"What do Christians learn when they start listening to atheists? Henderson, author of the forthcoming book The Outsider Interviews, has found that the "I'm right/you're wrong" model is a conversation-killer par excellence. So is speaking of non-converts as "lost." "Nothing sets off an atheist more than hearing a Christian say, 'I know Jesus is God and that I'm going to heaven when I die,' " Henderson says. "They also notice that we often say it loudly and arrogantly, which only serves to reinforce their negative opinion of our certainty.

<SNIP>

As Christian pastor Samir Selmanovic has written, two-way conversations with the not-like-minded are vital for a devout person's spiritual growth. Selmanovic, author of the 2009 book It's Really All about God, wrote in a Huffington Post article that friendly atheists are "desirable and necessary interlocutors in our human conversation. ... To us religious people, atheists are not only precious neighbors but also strangers who see what we cannot see and ask questions that we don't know how to ask. ... Atheists are God's whistle-blowers."


Just a thought [:)]





brainiacsub -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/2/2010 10:22:17 PM)

Read the whole article, Vincent and thought it was crap. The comments left by registered users were entertaining. Loved this one the best:

"This article reminds me of Rush Limbaugh always having a "black friend" in the studio during his racially charged rants. Is having "my atheist friend" supposed to deflect your bigotry and hatred of other beliefs? "




vincentML -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 6:19:10 AM)

[:D] That's funny and a valid point, braini.

I just wanted to reveal a Christian source that confirms what has been said in this thread: the religious could profit from opening their own minds and not be so filled with their own certitude.




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 7:06:44 AM)


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[:D] That's funny and a valid point, braini.

I just wanted to reveal a Christian source that confirms what has been said in this thread: the religious could profit from opening their own minds and not be so filled with their own certitude.



And if I may add, practicing what they preach, too!




Musicmystery -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 7:41:07 AM)

Jesus was a lot nicer in the New Testament.

I wonder what happened.




Jeffff -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 7:42:08 AM)

Water into wine........ not counting the whole incident at the temple, Jesus was not a mean drunk.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 7:44:59 AM)

Can we get him into Messiahs Anonymous?





vincentML -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 12:16:41 PM)

I read through this thread and wondered if Marini was right. Am I close-minded to religious belief as an atheist? Speaking only for myself here so if some other atheist doesn’t like what I have to say, well tough nuggies.

The simple answer is Yes. It seems so freakin obvious. How could any atheist deny it? I am closed-minded against religious belief. I own it but how to explain it?

In reading a history of the Reformation I came across the fact that Martin Luther wrote a tract called “The Freedom of a Christian.” Luther was set free by the Gospels from ecclesiastical authority, from the “false” sacrament of the Mass, the payment of indulgences to escape Purgatory, and from the veneration of relics. The Word of the Book gave him an evangelical enthusiasm which made him intolerant of papal and council doctrine. His freedom came from that epiphany.

I was not struck dumb on the road to Damascus like Paul, nor did I go through a conversion like Augustine, nor was I “born again” like Martin. But I very much had an epiphany over time that has been reinforced by reading and conversation and which brought me to the realization that I am free from belief in the existence of a supernatural world. I am free to live my life without laboring under the superstition of demons, angels, and gods; or the rapture of heaven and the pain of hell. I am liberated from the wishful thinking that my personality and memory will survive the death of my brain.

In sum, what is often described as atheistic narrow-mindedness is simply the enthusiasm of Liberty. Sometimes, that Liberty reveals itself as intolerance against religious thought, and so it is, because I have rejected those otherworldly concepts. I very much try to guard, however, against intolerance of religious people.

I think the OP was right on the mark. Marini should not have been castigated for the question she asked. There was no need for atheists to get defensive about the framing of the question. I take no offense at the question. I do not join those who say, “Oh boo hoo, the religious are also narrow-minded.” I do not care if they are. Speaking for myself, the answer is yes, as an atheist I am narrow-minded and it is so because I have Freedom from superstition and the supernatural.

Perhaps all of this has already been said, but I felt the need to express myself. Don't ask me what nuggies are. An expression from my childhood. [:D]

Rock on, Marini.




Marini -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/3/2010 11:33:46 PM)

Thank you vincent for the kind words.
The fact that you realize that you can be narrow-minded at times, makes
you a lot more open minded than most people.
 
Thank you for speaking up for me.
I put on big girl panties when I post here, and I let a lot roll off of my back.

The only person you can really control is yourself.
To each their own.  




GotSteel -> RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? (7/6/2010 4:21:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
I would appreciate it if you would not attribute things to me that I did not state. That statment was made by MikeyofGeorgia in post #106.  I really hope that was just a mistake.

Wow, I apologize; I have no idea how I managed to fuck that up. All I can say is sorry, it was not my intent to attribute Mikey's statement to you.




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