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willbeurdaddy -> "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:31:33 PM)

in response to whether she wrote a memo that led to distortions in the reporting of a scientific study on partial birth abortion.

Why did she try to duck repeated questioning about whether she wrote it?
Is she really so slow on her feet that she thought "Its in my handwriting" would end the issue?

This is only one of several evasive answers, particularly damning because she criticized prior nominees for being vacuous in their answers.

Obv this doesnt change the fact that she will be nominated. What it does do is make it clear that she was nominated because she is a far left idealogue that fits Obama's vision and need for an activist judge. The only saving grace for the most ridiculous nomination since Harriet Miers is that she is replacing another liberal. Hopefully Obama never gets a chance to change the balance of the Court.




Owner59 -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:38:48 PM)

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juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:50:28 PM)

There used to be an era where judges were appointed without being crucified in front of the senate for every little thing they have ever said and done... there was a time that unless there were ethical concerns justices would get through hearings with our elected officials treating them with respect and dignity.... our country is really going to hell in a handbasket if we are going to start putting forward the idea that these human beings are not allowed opinions. What we will get if we continue down this path is judges that are bereft of intellectual prowess and academic vigor...

When we use these appointments as a way to gain political oneupmanship our country suffers and our business remains undone. I find this trend requiring super-majorities to get anything accomplished to be highly disturbing, making me think that they need to change the senate rules. The filibusterer was never intended to be used as a political tool to freeze the gears of government It is being abused. And the threat of it underlying every legislative agenda is tyranny of the minority over the will of the majority...




rulemylife -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:52:45 PM)

I'm not going to take my time to look up what you post if you can't be bothered to add a link to your own thread, nor am I going to take your word for what was said without the actual comments.




juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:56:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I'm not going to take my time to look up what you post if you can't be bothered to add a link to your own thread, nor am I going to take your word for what was said without the actual comments.



He is parroting Glenn Beck or some other scumbag he listens to...






willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 12:58:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania



When we use these appointments as a way to gain political oneupmanship our country suffers and our business remains undone. I find this trend requiring super-majorities to get anything accomplished to be highly disturbing, making me think that they need to change the senate rules. The filibusterer was never intended to be used as a political tool to freeze the gears of government It is being abused. And the threat of it underlying every legislative agenda is tyranny of the minority over the will of the majority...


Since the role of the SCOTUS is to interpret the Constitution, it has fuck all to do with the will of the minority or the majority. Your sentiments may well apply to lawmaking, but not to SCOTUS appointments, where the only concern should be activism vs constructionism. If a nominee fails that test, then a filibuster is entirely appropriate.




juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:08:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania



When we use these appointments as a way to gain political oneupmanship our country suffers and our business remains undone. I find this trend requiring super-majorities to get anything accomplished to be highly disturbing, making me think that they need to change the senate rules. The filibusterer was never intended to be used as a political tool to freeze the gears of government It is being abused. And the threat of it underlying every legislative agenda is tyranny of the minority over the will of the majority...


Since the role of the SCOTUS is to interpret the Constitution, it has fuck all to do with the will of the minority or the majority. Your sentiments may well apply to lawmaking, but not to SCOTUS appointments, where the only concern should be activism vs constructionism. If a nominee fails that test, then a filibuster is entirely appropriate.


Why did you cut out the first paragraph of my post....


quote:

There used to be an era where judges were appointed without being crucified in front of the senate for every little thing they have ever said and done... there was a time that unless there were ethical concerns justices would get through hearings with our elected officials treating them with respect and dignity.... our country is really going to hell in a handbasket if we are going to start putting forward the idea that these human beings are not allowed opinions. What we will get if we continue down this path is judges that are bereft of intellectual prowess and academic vigor


When we use these appointments as a way to gain political oneupmanship our country suffers and our business remains undone. I find this trend requiring super-majorities to get anything accomplished to be highly disturbing, making me think that they need to change the senate rules. The filibusterer was never intended to be used as a political tool to freeze the gears of government It is being abused. And the threat of it underlying every legislative agenda is tyranny of the minority over the will of the majority...


Perhaps now you can connect the thoughts that led to the second paragraph.... we USED to have respectful proceedings and hearings in our senate. Respect for the CONSTITUTIONAL power of appointing judges used to prevail in the higher congressional body otherwise known as "The Senate". In the last couple of decades we have seen a slow shift to disrespect for the CONSTITUTIONAL power of the president to appoint people who would interpret the constitution. The ugliness that has become senate confirmation hearings in which instead of helping the president fulfill HIS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY. they use it as red meat to raise money with their donors... scaring them with dishonest rhetoric... your OP is an example of this. They are using the weapon of filibuster to bully the majority party, which represents the majority of the people in the USA. There was an election, republicans lost, they need to stop obstructing government


I highly doubt you were supportive of the democrats when they wanted a "full hearing" on Roberts... this is an example of something I call hypocrisy. Unless one can demonstrate ethical concerns about whom the president selects, they need to get the fuck over it and appeal to more voters in the next election






housesub4you -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:12:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

they need to get the fuck over it and appeal to more voters in the next election



LMAO   Isn't that what the teabaggers are helping them do???  Whatever happened to that powerful movement anyway?  I noticed ever since the oil spill they have been really quiet.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:20:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: housesub4you

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

they need to get the fuck over it and appeal to more voters in the next election



LMAO   Isn't that what the teabaggers are helping them do???  Whatever happened to that powerful movement anyway?  I noticed ever since the oil spill they have been really quiet.



If you didnt notice, the timing has to do with the lack of major primary elections, not the oil spill. We will see how powerful it is in November.




Moonhead -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:23:12 PM)

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?




Owner59 -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:24:57 PM)

She actually answered the questions fully and happily.You could see the gotcha attempts,they were blatantly trying to box her in but that fell apart.It was a joy to listen to yesterday and today.

She wiped the floor her adversaries, after beating them to the floor.

Gramm`s approach was typical,to paraphrase he said "I`m a partisan hack and I admit it.It`s OK to be a partisan hack.I wouldn`t mind if you were one.I`d disagree but couldn`t fault you for being a partisan hack.

"Now that we`ve established that your a pro abortion,anti-gun activists partisan hack(the wedge issues du jour),how do you respond?"

And still she responded and slapped his peepee back into his panties.

There`s no doubt she`ll be confirmed.There is no there,there,to criticize her over.She is actually to the right on some important issues that the high court regularly deals with.

The other thing confirmed today was that republicans couldn`t say much when meeting her face to face,mono e mono.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:25:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.




Moonhead -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:27:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.

No he isn't.
This is why I wondered if you had a clue what leaning to the left actually involves. Sounds like you don't if you're capable of coming out with a statement like that with a straight face.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:38:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.

No he isn't.
This is why I wondered if you had a clue what leaning to the left actually involves. Sounds like you don't if you're capable of coming out with a statement like that with a straight face.


Why dont you cite some differences in their philosophy....you will find damn few if any. And dont waste your time with Chomsky's criticism of Obama's effectiveness, that has nothing to do with it. Obama has the reality of getting elected and re-elected to limit his implementation of their shared ideology.




juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:41:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.



Curious.... do you know what political ideology that Chomsky ascribes to?


I am loving this




Moonhead -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:41:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.

No he isn't.
This is why I wondered if you had a clue what leaning to the left actually involves. Sounds like you don't if you're capable of coming out with a statement like that with a straight face.


Why dont you cite some differences in their philosophy....you will find damn few if any. And dont waste your time with Chomsky's criticism of Obama's effectiveness, that has nothing to do with it. Obama has the reality of getting elected and re-elected to limit his implementation of their shared ideology.

When has Obama ever complained about nationalism? That's one of Chomsky's obsessive bugbears and a pretty big ideological split. Chomsky is enough of a lefty to find nations innately distatsteful Obama is proud to be an American (or possibly a Kenyan). Pretty big difference right there.
Have you ever read a word by either or are you just parroting somebody from the more bizarre reaches of the rightwing blogsphere?




juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 1:43:28 PM)

Since willbe is the one that is ascerting Chomsky is the same as Obama,... he should really be the one to educate the rest of us on how this is so... I am interested in what he knows about Chomsky...

And I am in the mood for a little entertainment today




FirmhandKY -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 2:02:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

There used to be an era where judges were appointed without being crucified in front of the senate for every little thing they have ever said and done... there was a time that unless there were ethical concerns justices would get through hearings with our elected officials treating them with respect and dignity.... our country is really going to hell in a handbasket if we are going to start putting forward the idea that these human beings are not allowed opinions. What we will get if we continue down this path is judges that are bereft of intellectual prowess and academic vigor...

When we use these appointments as a way to gain political oneupmanship our country suffers and our business remains undone. I find this trend requiring super-majorities to get anything accomplished to be highly disturbing, making me think that they need to change the senate rules. The filibusterer was never intended to be used as a political tool to freeze the gears of government It is being abused. And the threat of it underlying every legislative agenda is tyranny of the minority over the will of the majority...

julia,

I think many trace the beginnings of hyper-partisanship in the appointment of judges to the Democratic Congress during the Reagan Administration, and it's arrival with the attempted high-tech lynching of a certain black justice during Bush I's Administration.

Firm




juliaoceania -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 2:05:10 PM)

quote:

julia,

I think many trace the beginnings of hyper-partisanship in the appointment of judges to the Democratic Congress during the Reagan Administration, and it's arrival with the attempted high-tech lynching of a certain black justice during Bush I's Administration.

Firm


I would disagree.... if someone came forward and claimed that Kagan sexually harassed them I would think that deserved a full hearing...sexual harassment is a serious accusation, and seeing that he was confirmed for lack of "proof" that he did this, the process worked...




willbeurdaddy -> RE: "Its in my handwriting" Kagan says (6/30/2010 2:23:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Can I just ask what "far left" actually means to you guys?
Surely it isn't merely a synonym for "not quite as far to the right as I am"?
I mean, Obama for fuck's sake. He's a lefty like I'm getting my cock sucked by Alysson Hannigan while I type this. If he has a "far left" agenda, where does that leave (say) Ken Livingstone or Noam Chomsky? How about that Castro d00d or Billy Bragg?


Obama is every bit as far left as Chomsky.



Curious.... do you know what political ideology that Chomsky ascribes to?


I am loving this


Since Ive read all of his books, yeah, I do.




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