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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 5:18:19 AM

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The same thing Ive said here many times...Iraq he's managed to not fuck up by doing exactly what GWB outlined. Afghanistan is unwinnable, and GWB was right to deemphasize it.

Iraq was a lie and 4300 American troops died for it. The invasion was a violation of UN Article 51 by the Outlaw BushCheneyRummyWolfowitz. There were no WMD. There was no link to Al Quaida. There was no connection to the World Trade Towers disaster. Iraq was fucked up from the decision to invade. How is that old shock and awe thingy workin for ya? Oh, the Iraq people love us and we have set up a western style democracy. 105,000 civilians killed, millions homeless and refugees, archeological treasures looted. Shit happens, according to Rummy. A crime against humanity by your heros.

Additionally, if Afgarbagecan is unwinnable why did that Outlaw gang stay there for nine freakin years? So many lives and so much money lost to two senseless wars. Oh, how you would have howled if Obama had decided to withdraw in January 2009 as he should have IMO.

And with all of that, the best you can complain about is a small speech. Your hatred of Obama distorts your perspective, Willbeur.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 5:27:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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Anyone can read "The New Colossus" and see that she considered the Statue to be more than a commemoration of the Declaration.

Too bad France didnt.

Really doesn't matter what the French intention was in 1886. The history of mass immigration overtook the original meaning and redefined it to what we accept today, and that is Emma Lazarus' poetic vision of a nation of immigrants escaping persecution and poverty.

So, sucks to cling to some French gesture that was made 120 years ago and long since has been overshadowed by Emma's more powerful and meaningful image.

I dont disagree. But I do disagree with his total fabrication about the history.

Nowhere near as bad as the fabrication created by the Outlaw BushCheneyRummyWolfowitz.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 5:31:37 AM

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But he was really good at faking being a rancher, he never owned a ranch until he decided to run for President because he thought he would look like Reagen and seem more like an average person instead of the silver spooned spoiled brat he is. He grew up in wealth though he tries to act like he did not and his family has roots in American politics going way back. Including his drunken grandfather (or maybe great grandfather) who was also president. You know the guy who almost killed someone running them over with a horse and buggy when he was drunk. I think it was Mom's father or grand father memory fails me at the moment

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 5:34:40 AM

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But he was really good at faking being a rancher, he never owned a ranch until he decided to run for President because he thought he would look like Reagen and seem more like an average person instead of the silver spooned spoiled brat he is. He grew up in wealth though he tries to act like he did not and his family has roots in American politics going way back. Including his drunken grandfather (or maybe great grandfather) who was also president. You know the guy who almost killed someone running them over with a horse and buggy when he was drunk. I think it was Mom's father or grand father memory fails me at the moment

Oh, definitely. That Texas accent was faker than three dollar bill, wasn't it? As far as I call tell, the only reason he had the ranch was so that he could run off there and hide for a fortnight whenever some trouble started that he might be expected to do something about.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 11:59:37 AM

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Here is a history lesson for Obama from a most unlikely but welcome source IMO:

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele expressed an unusual interpretation of the relationship between Barack Obama and the war in Afghanistan at a Connecticut fundraiser Thursday.

"This was a war of Obama's choosing," Michael Steele said at the event. "This is not something the United States has actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."

Steele also accused Obama of "demonizing Iraq while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan."

"Well, if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that, you know, that's the one thing you don't do is engage in a land war in Afghanistan, alright, because everyone who's tried over a thousand years of history has failed," Steele continued.

If you see anything unusual in Steele's observation please point it out to me. Nevermind that it will really Piss Off the Warriors on the Right!

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 12:23:23 PM

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Obama whines
Michael steele revises history, also you cant blame Bush, its all on the man in the hot seat RIGHT NOW
Apart from the fact that Id rather listen to a whiner than a liar and an idiot,
nothing unusual there dear chap:) carry on!!

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 1:30:54 PM

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If you see anything unusual in Steele's observation please point it out to me. Nevermind that it will really Piss Off the Warriors on the Right!

Revisionist history, self-contradiction, fabrication -- can't find anything unusual.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 2:16:24 PM

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Or did he just decide to make up shit about the Statue of Liberty for effect?

ABC News last night called this "amnesty/immigration" issue, "one of the most devisive" issues in the country.
I literally laughed out loud!
I don't know one (1) person who is in favor of "amnesty"!
I mean what percentage of Americans are "in favor" of it, one percent maybe? That's what, 3 million people out of 300 million? And that includes the (legal) people in la raza and other similar (special interest) (advocacy) groups.
I've never once been in a coffee shop or bar and heard someone say that we should "legalise" illegal aliens.
You know, it would be much easier for Obama to start enforcing the laws than to try to bullshit the American People, talk about a "sales job!" That's what we're PAYING him for, to enforce our laws and managing the country and he's just not doing those things.
You try that in the "D.P.S." , the Dreaded Private Sector and you get fired!
You don't ingore the American People and expect to get re-elected.
"My fellow Americans, we're going to try "Rule by the Minority" instead of "Rule by the Majority".
Oh, and he needs to stop that, "we all need to come together on this" crap! I'm tired of hearing it!
I had high hopes for Obama when he took office but this has turned out (so far) to be Bush's third term.
Why can't he just do what The People want him to do instead of catering to "special interests" like La Raza, Goldman Sachs, BofA, brokerage houses, big banks, big pharma, big insurance cos, and other wealthy interests?
As they say, you can put lipstick on a pig.....

Anyone seen any "CHANGE" around lately?

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 9:24:31 PM

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I don't know one (1) person who is in favor of "amnesty"!
I mean what percentage of Americans are "in favor" of it, one percent maybe? That's what, 3 million people out of 300 million? And that includes the (legal) people in la raza and other similar (special interest) (advocacy) groups.
I've never once been in a coffee shop or bar and heard someone say that we should "legalise" illegal aliens.

Nowhere in your rant do you give an indication that you know what the proposed legislation is. You might wish to read before you rant. Then, once you have an understanding of the problem and the proposed solutions, and you find you disagree with them, you might suggest some intelligent alternatives. Maybe that's asking too much.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/2/2010 10:26:43 PM

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I don't know one (1) person who is in favor of "amnesty"!
I mean what percentage of Americans are "in favor" of it, one percent maybe? That's what, 3 million people out of 300 million? And that includes the (legal) people in la raza and other similar (special interest) (advocacy) groups.
I've never once been in a coffee shop or bar and heard someone say that we should "legalise" illegal aliens.

Nowhere in your rant do you give an indication that you know what the proposed legislation is. You might wish to read before you rant. Then, once you have an understanding of the problem and the proposed solutions, and you find you disagree with them, you might suggest some intelligent alternatives. Maybe that's asking too much.

Vincent, the "solution" is to start enforcing our laws again. When did that go out of favor? Clinton, Bush?

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 6:02:26 AM

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I find it interesting that people blame O'bama for all the illegals, yet not the business that employ them. It has nothing to do with that lady standing in the water. It has to do with employers illegally hiring people to make more money.
Our elected officials who support Big Business, never seem to complain about the employers hiring these people, just merrily the people who are the ones doing the work.

it is not like this is a new issue, seems no one has really done anything to stop illegals from coming into this country for over 30 years, but NOW it's all Obama's fault,

Well, why don't you stop buying the products of companies that use illegal workers, it is not hard to find them. Just watch the news. Tyson chicken plants have a deal with INS to only arrest 15 illegals per week so their production lines do not get slowed down, as do just about every other giant food corporation. It has been exposed on PBS specials, and some news stories, but you will not find the media covering it because big business takes care of big business.

As long as corporation are making more money than they are losing on hiring illegals the practice will continue. But what the hell, it is better to bitch and raise an issue that can't be solved (stopping or returning illegals) then addressing the real problem such as the corporations hiring them

Of course if illegals donated millions to elected officials we would never hear of this as a problem, they would just place the blame on someone else who has no money

I think you are right. I think the state of CA is making the most out of the situation. That is why they got so mad when AZ made a move to try and stop illegal immigration. They don't want to lose all those illegal workers when it would hurt the states economy. Where else would they get all that cheap labor? Personally I would rather pay more for fruit than watch them continue to exploit the illegals like they do.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 6:07:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Obama whines
Michael steele revises history, also you cant blame Bush, its all on the man in the hot seat RIGHT NOW
Apart from the fact that Id rather listen to a whiner than a liar and an idiot,
nothing unusual there dear chap:) carry on!!

Sometimes the kids just have to let off a little steam and it seems like Bush brings out the best in them. Besides the little rant gave vincy the chance to use the word "Afgarbagecan" and he has been dying to do that since he learned it on the playground last week"

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 6:32:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Obama whines
Michael steele revises history, also you cant blame Bush, its all on the man in the hot seat RIGHT NOW
Apart from the fact that Id rather listen to a whiner than a liar and an idiot,
nothing unusual there dear chap:) carry on!!

Sometimes the kids just have to let off a little steam and it seems like Bush brings out the best in them. Besides the little rant gave vincy the chance to use the word "Afgarbagecan" and he has been dying to do that since he learned it on the playground last week"

Yes, boizy! You're right. I find it is such a tragically descriptive term for the crap hole where we are sending our kids to die. Obama's "fiasco in afgarbagecan." Doesn't quite rise to the level of Eisenhower's "Crusade in Europe" does it?

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!

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Ah, unquestioning patriotism. I love the smell of it in the morning (to borrow from another but closely akin horror)

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 7:13:08 AM

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Lazarus wrote "The New Colossus" in 1883 "for the occasion" of an auction to raise money for the Statue of Liberty's pedestal. The poem was singled out and printed in the Catalogue of the Pedestal Fund Art Loan Exhibition at the National Academy of Design because event organizers hoped it would "awaken to new enthusiasm" those working on behalf of the pedestal.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/lazarus.html

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 7:33:26 AM

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Yea, must be a real slow day when it takes this to find some shit, any shit to rant about Obama.

Yepper, must be deaf, dumb and blind not to see Obama's bullshit on msm tv.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 7:35:53 AM

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I give Obama a lot of credit in this respect--he voted against invading Afghanistan when the overwhelming majority was waving flags and raring to go. Instead of complaining about this, he stepped into the presidency and the issues that were before him and picked them up as they were. That he opposed starting it wasn't the point--we were there, and it was now his problem.

He's also doing exactly what he campaigned on---securing the situation in Iraq, drawing down those troops to address what many, many were called the neglected situation in Afghanistan that allowed the Taliban to come back as they did. Not to mention the more delicate problem in Pakistan. Is it a good strategy? Time will tell. The surge is only just ramping up (takes time to move all that stuff), and a new, proven commander is now in charge of the theater. And this time, efforts to "win the peace" are seriously underway--no small task in a country that has known only war since the late 70s, but an essential one to securing the situation and moving on.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 7:45:57 AM

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Bill Kristol or whatever his name is, and whatsherface Liz Cheney think Steele should step down so obviously neos are not happy with him. Altho I dont spect him to be removed this close to an election cycle, unless Rush recommends it

My heart pumps purple piss, the party is looking beyond stumbling about idiotically
mind you, thats what they want us to think isnt it?
They didnt want to win the last election, they willl visibly only come together when the country is having an upswing, then they can take the "credit"
Because if they are really as dumb and pathetic as they ALL appear, all credibility is gone.
timed just right from whatever angle its coming from

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 9:32:43 AM

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~FR~

I give Obama a lot of credit in this respect--he voted against invading Afghanistan when the overwhelming majority was waving flags and raring to go. Instead of complaining about this, he stepped into the presidency and the issues that were before him and picked them up as they were. That he opposed starting it wasn't the point--we were there, and it was now his problem.

He's also doing exactly what he campaigned on---securing the situation in Iraq, drawing down those troops to address what many, many were called the neglected situation in Afghanistan that allowed the Taliban to come back as they did. Not to mention the more delicate problem in Pakistan. Is it a good strategy? Time will tell. The surge is only just ramping up (takes time to move all that stuff), and a new, proven commander is now in charge of the theater. And this time, efforts to "win the peace" are seriously underway--no small task in a country that has known only war since the late 70s, but an essential one to securing the situation and moving on.

Umm. Obama was sworn in as US Senator January 4, 2005. He had no vote regarding invading Afghanistan.

What will it look like when we "win the peace?" Will we recognize it? Or is Obama just afraid to look weak for the 2012 election?

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 9:43:56 AM

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Yeah. Sorry. Should have said Iraq when that got tacked onto Afghanistan.

My bad.

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RE: Obama needs a history lesson - 7/3/2010 10:48:54 AM

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Yeah. Sorry. Should have said Iraq when that got tacked onto Afghanistan.

My bad.

Accountability is a mother fucker, aye.

It also effects ones credibility you know. Just ask the man you seem bent on defending.

I deleted some of my post here due to relevance.

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