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The plan - 7/2/2010 7:52:46 AM   
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My buddy believes that what is happening now is part of a big plan. That DOES NOT mean a conspiracy, really. That is that the destiny of the world is preordained in some way, and as unlikely as an extraterrestial influece is, the possibility exists. Now understand that this does not mean that every move you make and every breath you take has been planned, just a predisposition to it.

Sounds outlandish to me but I am reminded of a few things. So many predictions have placed some signifigance of the year 2012, some religious, some in the quatrains, and who knows where else. Now with the oil problem, with ocean currents, already studied in the past by scientific methods, the oil will be worldwide in eighteen months. This is July 2010, do the math. Also have a look at the economy, first at the US economy and then the world's interdependence because of this "global" economy so touted as a good thing by the "experts". Look at what is happening to the mentality of common people. Look at the living conditions and the encroachment of human rights, not even caused by government but by overcrowding.

Nobody wanted to see the article I read on this back in the 1970s, and now it is gone because my hosting is gone. Sorry about your luck. But what happpened to a herd of deer left on an extremely supple island seems to be the direction we are taking, as a species.

Though I haven't researched it fully :

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The word Armageddon appears only once in the Greek New Testament.[5] The word comes from Hebrew har məgiddô (הר מגידו), meaning "Mountain of Megiddo". Megiddo is a small mountain on which ancient forts were built that guarded the main highway, the Via Maris, that connected Egypt with Mesopotamia. Megiddo was the location of many decisive battles in ancient times (including one in the 15th century BC and one in 609 BC). The town Megiddo in Israel is approximately 25 miles (40 km) westsouthwest of the southern tip of the Sea of Galilee (or Lake Tiberias to the Romans) in the Kishon River area.[6]"

That means Armageddon was a place. The word was seemingly recategorized into something other than a simple noun, as is common at least in the English language. But looking at the roots of the concept, it has already happened many years ago and did not result in the end of the world. It certainly did for some people though. So the question becomes just who's Armageddon is it anyway ? Folklore and subsequent scripture notwithstanding, the concept is the same.
 
Is it possible that the human race simply has a defined life span though, and that we are nearing the end of it ? Or it as we know it ? Could people have that much insight ? What of Nostradamus and his uncanny accuracy in certain events, like 9/11 for example. The year and the line of latitude or longitude i.e.
 
If this is an embedded trait, no matter how it got there, is it possible that some can tap into it and make some actual predictions. Remember I do not believe that there is anything supernatural at all. Supernatural is a name given by people who derstand (that is not understand) aspects of life and/or nature. I refuse to do that, which is why I subscibe to none of it. But the coincidences mount. There is just too much happening now to dismiss this as total bullshit, much as I may try. It is not going to make me find God or any of that, but I must, if sane, consider the possibility that there are those who can somehow see these things as the logical conclusion of what is happening, even back then. If predestined and ingrained, of course perception of the events would be timeless.
 
Also understand that I am not looking for Crist to come again and find some Antichrist and do battle. I am saying that the word has been adopted for that purpose. Even if true, it does not mean an end to all life on this planet, as the religious would have many believe, nor being wafted off to heaven somehow, which actually if true would mean just that. And if it really only means the battle, who says who wins ? Are the forces that remove a shitload of people from our planet and enrich life for those left behind good or bad ? That is not my decision to make, nor possibly anyone's.
 
But every concept has a certain perspective. Does it mean WW3 ? Does it mean a great plague ? Does it mean literally two titans fighting in the sky ? Nobody knows, but I think we might find out soon. What happens when BP goes down the tubes ? They are one of the major oil suppliers in the world and their absence would at least be notable. But is their aloofness about the possible ramifications of their actions possibly a sign of times so to speak ?
 
More and more we find the decisions made by our "leaders" are flawed in that they are not well thought out. It might kill many of us in fact, and in fact has already killed quite a few. All the wars and history indicates this, and also seems to imply that it is getting worse as time goes by. Maybe alot of our DNA is just getting too old to put it another way. Why do lemmings follow one another into the sea when each of them knows they can't swim ?
 
Why are things always the worst they've ever been ? Even on a personal level I made more money when I was a teenager than I do today. Think of the price differential between the late 1970s and now, I lived like a King. While I might know the hows and whys of what has happened, what of the reason for it. Why did it happen ? Why is what is happening now happening now ? There may be something to this and of so, how can one become one of the survivors, and also, do we want to be ? I don't know if this is attributable to some superior race or species, whether terrestrial or not, it might just be a natural thing, like the disappearance of the missing link.
 
In the past the future needed to be considered for survival. You really did reap what you had sown. We have been removed from that constriction and seemingly have acted accordingly. Those in power were removed from those constraints a long time ago, and behold their actions. I fact even moreso, the results.
 
Again I am not buying into this hook, line and sinker, I am just saying that it is possible.
 
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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 8:51:55 AM   
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You are asking for someone on the list to explain something much bigger then themself.


Let me respond this way-    history repeats itself.   Anyone who thinks we are immune from history is wrong.

the cycle is approximately 4 generations.   We have to wisdom of 3 generations-  the 4th one is lacking- so we are likely to make those same mistakes.

People SO want to beleive we are beyond it.

But we are not.   I found a board in Australia-  funny how that crowd is with it.  Nothing like here where govt and authority is whole and pure.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 8:58:50 AM   
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No one said our system didn`t suck.

It just sucks less than most others.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:00:07 AM   
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Dude- it has nothing to do with our system.

History repeats.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:19:06 AM   
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History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:26:11 AM   
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I am just saying that it is possible.


Virtually everything is imaginably possible. That's why it doesn't get credibility until it has something more substantial.

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Why are things always the worst they've ever been ? Even on a personal level I made more money when I was a teenager than I do today. Think of the price differential between the late 1970s and now, I lived like a King.


Again with this...sigh. OK, let's go over it again.

Cost of Living 1978 vs. Today
*Yearly Inflation Rate USA 7.62% -- today it's 2.02% (May 2010)
*Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 805 -- 2618 adjusted for inflation (2009 dollars). As I'm writing this, today the Dow is 9,671.
*Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 11.75% -- today even the bank prime loan rate (6/28/2010) is only 3.25%.
*Average Cost of new house $54,800.00 -- $178,229.79 in 2009 dollars. Today (May 2010), it's $200,900.
*Average Income per year $17,000.00 -- $55,290.26 in 2009 dollars. This can vary widely by region, but in NY (2009-2010 survey), even the poorest rural county makes $54,900, even in a poor job market, while the others make far, far more (up to 81,900 average income).
*Average Monthly Rent $260.00 -- $845.62 in 2009 dollars. Obviously big city rents are much more than the average, while smaller cities and rural areas see much lower ones. $845 would be an unheard of high figure here (though not in NYC, of course).
*Cost of a gallon of Gas 63 cents -- $2.05 in 2009 dollars. We already know the Bush years saw gasoline double to around $4 and then to around $3, where it is now, depending on region. This increased transportation costs, which have increased the cost of food.
*1LB of Bacon $1.20 -- $3.90 in 2009 dollars. But still only $4.21 in April 2010 (depending on region).
*Dozen Eggs 48 Cents -- $1.56 in 2009 dollars. As of Jan. 2010, today that's $1.37.

So in short, you're absolutely wrong. Whatever you made as a teenager and now, people who "lived like kings" then are not struggling now comparatively. In fact, income alone is better, even when 1978 dollars are inflation adjusted.

Reality is, we are better off. Even given the tough job market--while unemployment falls slowly to 9.5%, your glory days of the late 70s saw unemployment steadily increasing each year from 1978 to exceed today's level by 1982.

Just out of curiosity, what late 70s income level do you consider "living like a king" from your teen years?

Far more likely you were a kid, thinking a few bills in his pocket meant he was on top of the world. Today, you know better.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:42:46 AM   
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History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?


I am sorry.  I flunked history.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:44:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?


I am sorry.  I flunked history.



Then how can you hypothesize that it will repeat?

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 10:01:59 AM   
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I am not sure if things are predetermined, but I do believe certain things occur in nature that cannot be helped. And we can learn alot from seeing how nature works.

I planted spearmint in my yard once. It grew quickly, it flourished, it reproduced like wildfire...... it was all over the place. It grew so much and spread so quickly that it eventually depleted the soil of the nutrients it needed.  It all died.

If we don't recognize and learn from spearmint we will naturally follow the same pattern. Human beings are overpopulating the earth and depleteing it of its resources.  It doesn't take a scientist to figure out the ending to this story. When and how long.... that's rather hard to predict; but its coming.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 10:08:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?


I am sorry.  I flunked history.



Then how can you hypothesize that it will repeat?



Because it will.

We learned nothing.  Even less then that.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 12:34:39 PM   
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What's the plan, man?

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 2:42:42 PM   
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"So in short, you're absolutely wrong"

I hope you don't mind that I remain unconvinced. It was not just a matter of having a few bills in my pocket. I will admit that I probably mentally adjusted for inflation without realizing it, but the fact is I had a very high mainainence car that I was always tweaking. And I didn't care that it got terrible mileage, which I never bothered to figure out. I was always tweaking for more speed.

While kicking in half my take home pay for the family, I always had whatever I wanted. Sure I only had a few bills in my pocket - the day before payday. But the fact is I had more disposable income than I could spend.

Now you point out these adjusted dollars. What if instead of blowing every dime I possibly could, living it up all the time, expensive dinners, joyriding fifty or a hundred miles for absolutely no reason, smoking, drinking and all that I would've saved my money until today. Sure I would've made interest on it, but how much of that would be chopped away by inflation today ?

Adjusting average income doesn't cut it for me at all. It was distributed differently i.e. there used to be a middle class. How about we lop off the top, say 10% income level and see what's left.

I know numbers do not lie, but the means by which they are derived can make them just as misleading as any expert spin artist.

Case in point - the unemployment rate. They say 9.5% ? OK, do you really believe that 90.5% of the people are employed at or near their potential ? Get real. Want to find numbers, get all the exclusions. What's more, most of the new "jobs" created are either in the government sector and pretty much non productive, and even if productive are financed by more government debt.

For now we probably should just agree to disagree. This whole tertiary subject actually probably deserves it's own thread. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it, it's not central to the point.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 2:48:38 PM   
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"I planted spearmint in my yard once. It grew quickly, it flourished, it reproduced like wildfire...... it was all over the place. It grew so much and spread so quickly that it eventually depleted the soil of the nutrients it needed.  It all died. "

I like that analogy. But do note that all spearmint in the world did not die.

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 2:56:43 PM   
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"So in short, you're absolutely wrong"

I hope you don't mind that I remain unconvinced. It was not just a matter of having a few bills in my pocket. I will admit that I probably mentally adjusted for inflation without realizing it, but the fact is I had a very high mainainence car that I was always tweaking. And I didn't care that it got terrible mileage, which I never bothered to figure out. I was always tweaking for more speed.

While kicking in half my take home pay for the family, I always had whatever I wanted. Sure I only had a few bills in my pocket - the day before payday. But the fact is I had more disposable income than I could spend.

Now you point out these adjusted dollars. What if instead of blowing every dime I possibly could, living it up all the time, expensive dinners, joyriding fifty or a hundred miles for absolutely no reason, smoking, drinking and all that I would've saved my money until today. Sure I would've made interest on it, but how much of that would be chopped away by inflation today ?

Adjusting average income doesn't cut it for me at all. It was distributed differently i.e. there used to be a middle class. How about we lop off the top, say 10% income level and see what's left.

I know numbers do not lie, but the means by which they are derived can make them just as misleading as any expert spin artist.

Case in point - the unemployment rate. They say 9.5% ? OK, do you really believe that 90.5% of the people are employed at or near their potential ? Get real. Want to find numbers, get all the exclusions. What's more, most of the new "jobs" created are either in the government sector and pretty much non productive, and even if productive are financed by more government debt.

For now we probably should just agree to disagree. This whole tertiary subject actually probably deserves it's own thread. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it, it's not central to the point.

T


This is a simple matter. Go to the inflation calculator, put in your old income and the year, and you'll have it in 2009 dollars. Compare it to your current income.

I still want to know what late 70s income level is "living like a king."

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 2:59:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?


I am sorry.  I flunked history.



Then how can you hypothesize that it will repeat?



Because it will.

We learned nothing.  Even less then that.





At least get the damned quote correct. 

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."  Edmund Burke. 

Who was a British Statesman and Philosopher and is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.

For some reason since YOU do not know history you seem to believe that all do not know history.  You are incorrect. 


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 3:01:14 PM   
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I still want to know what late 70s income level is "living like a king."


I would guess living in those bachelor pads and being able to have the things that the Playboy magazine professed was the "good life."  At least for men.  Those rotating beds and such, perhaps?


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 3:07:51 PM   
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Pre-DUIs probably helped the financial situation considerably too.


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 3:12:54 PM   
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Pre-DUIs probably helped the financial situation considerably too.




Maybe he is referring to Damocles and feels that swords were easier to purchase and install. 


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 3:16:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
History repeats.



I note, for example, the lack of a Carthaginian presence in the Mediterranean.  Are you suggesting that there will be one again?


I am sorry.  I flunked history.



Then how can you hypothesize that it will repeat?



Because it will.

We learned nothing.  Even less then that.





At least get the damned quote correct. 

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."  Edmund Burke. 

Who was a British Statesman and Philosopher and is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.

For some reason since YOU do not know history you seem to believe that all do not know history.  You are incorrect. 



If this is true- who is your insurance company?

I want my house and car covered in the event of war- civil unrest- and national emergency.  If we learned from history - the the insurance will surely cover this.

So who do I buy a policy from?

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 3:22:41 PM   
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http://www.lloyds.com/

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