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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 8:30:52 PM   
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1) I responded to your OP. I'm still waiting for answers to the question I asked twice.

2) I'm responding to people who direct an issue at me. That's pa-nutjob, in this case over a conversation I wasn't even having (he was arguing with someone else). This point seems to elude him.

3) I don't care at all what you think. I'm addressing the points you raise. How does that grab you?

'Nite.


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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 8:53:38 PM   
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Why are you two still here ? Are you going to pollute every fucking thread on this board, is that your goal ?

You people are wrecking the fucking place and I am sick of it. What was the topic of this thread, do you even remember ?

Did you even get the fucking point of my OP, or do you want to argue about money all year long ? Why don't you boys get a room and let us Men talk about more substantial matters. Money is shit, in fact worth less than shit. I don't fucking care. We know that.

No wonder you boys are on an internet forum, if you were in a bar someone would put your lights out. Goddammit start your own fucking thread, and write it yourself with no cites, quotes or fucking videos. Are you capable ?

I will not block either of you, but you both have lost most of my reapect. How does that grab you ?

Neither one of you has a clue as to what the fuck the OP meant and as such you should do as I do in such a situation, click the "back" button on your browser and shout it out somewhere else. I am sick of going through 150 posts to find anything relevant. And that does not just apply to this thread either.

T



The g-20 just met.

There in lies your plan.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 8:57:01 PM   
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Also- Term,

You are not going to make it thru the "plan".

You are annoyed by a few internet topics.    So- you are not ready.   If you were ready- you would be able to handle anything that life throws at you.   This means day to day- and week to week.   If you have trouble getting thru the day- how will you get thru a crises?



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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 8:58:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) I responded to your OP. I'm still waiting for answers to the question I asked twice.

2) I'm responding to people who direct an issue at me. That's pa-nutjob, in this case over a conversation I wasn't even having (he was arguing with someone else). This point seems to elude him.

3) I don't care at all what you think. I'm addressing the points you raise. How does that grab you?

'Nite.




According to you- history does not repeat itself.



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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 9:01:05 PM   
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It's you that keeps repeating itself.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 10:28:38 PM   
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It's you that keeps repeating itself.


So then you now say that via me repeating myself - that this is history and thus history does in fact repeat itself.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 11:05:53 PM   
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Ayle, no- she thinks it is funny that people die and will die in wars.


Not true.Not even close to true.

Knowing the back story,you should know better.

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 1:42:55 AM   
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"I responded to your OP. I'm still waiting for answers to the question I asked twice"

The only thing I can discern from this is the question of my income. I was making about $300 a week in 1978, That is take home pay.

Or was it another question for which you seek the answer ?

T

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 8:49:48 AM   
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OK. What cost $300 in 1978 would cost $975.71 in 2009.

It's a little unusual to remember the take home but not the salary/wage. Was this legal income? No offense meant, just asking. If it was skirting the tax man, that's $50,000 in today's dollars.

But, depending on your tax situation, if it was after withholdings, you made something in the 20s. Let's be generous and call it $25,000 (that gives you an overall tax rate of 38%) -- that's $81,300 in 2009 dollars.

A nice income, to be sure. Not all that unusual--as debated in another thread, that's just under the median income for a number of NYS counties--but at the higher end of the average worker, certainly.

The point, though, Term, is that 1978 to now is hardly the glory days next to ruin as your post content and color display (except perhaps for you personally--you didn't share and I wouldn't ask you to post your specific current circumstances publicly). 1978 had us squarely in stagflation. Unemployment was rising, and rose every year for the next four years until it was higher than it is today. Inflation was out of control. Jobs for new entrants (I graduated in 79) were nonexistent (I cut grass, painted houses, and picked raspberries until I finally found a somewhat steady job as a bartender after a few months--my career started only after I started getting creative instead of looking to be hired).

Nor am I arguing for a rosy picture today, as some have claimed in other threads. Rather, it's just not helpful, neither for solving nor coping, personally or as a society, to exaggerate and misrepresent the situation. Last summer I argued (with Merc) that we were pulling out of recession (I was right--GDP for the past year is strong), and that as inventories shrunk, unemployment would start to come back this August. Well, I still have time on that one, but now I'm worried that might not happen--the oil spill is, of course, an additional drag on the economy in a number of sectors, which I obviously couldn't have known in advance, but also credit remains very tight, still, with prohibitive consumer and business rates, preventing the expansion and hiring that otherwise would be going on now. So, contrary to what should normally happen, people are reining in, as they have to look to their own resources only, significantly slowing the economy (both factory and consumer orders on durable goods are down). This brings about worries of a double dip recession, worries I take seriously. We have the resources, but we're just letting them sit. Further, the political mood both globally and nationally favors austerity over stimulus--which is all fine in theory, but letting austerity sort itself out takes time, and unemployment will remain low or worse, as will economic growth, while we wait for self-correction. Not good.

We need plans that make sense long term. Nationally and individually we continually pursue short term options, and consequently fail to save and plan in good times for the slower times. I'm fine now because after struggling so hard early in my adult life, I never wanted to return to living like that, and so made decisions that set me up with a paid for home, land, retirement funds, timber, produce and multiple income sources. Now that's just what I did, not a template, but the the point is, saving and planning ahead would have seen us through this. Instead, we spent money we didn't have, individually and nationally, during the good times! Foolish, but then you can get away with that while things are expanding. Trouble is, contractions come too. We went on like prosperity would never slacken, and I bet next time, we do it again.

Nor are our businesses much better at this overall. During the double digit interest rate days of the 70s, our car manufacturers, flush with cash, on top of the world, untouchable in the market, said, "Hey, why invest in the future when we can earn good returns simply in the money market?!" Meanwhile German, Swedish, and Japanese manufacturers said, "Hmmm. I know it's only a 6-8% return, half what we could earn short term...but let's invest in new technologies and tooling and set ourselves up for the next few decades of new automobiles." Without the hubris and short term approach of the Big 3, who always could have made the fuel efficient cars that became their competition, they never would have lost so much market share to Toyota, Honda, Subaru, etc. By the time the market turned, the 3 now had to play catch up, including design and retooling from scratch.

Look at energy policy--we woke up in the 70s to the problems with our dependence on oil. Carter instituted a number of initiatives and reforms. 18 months later, Reagan and Congress eliminated them all to pay for tax cuts--cuts that would further fuel a quadrupling deficit. Today, we are kicking around the same and similar proposals to the ones we already had started 25 years ago! And blaming government is too easy---look at all the 12 mpg vehicles on the road (especially here, where driving a truck the size of a house is the norm, and paid for with 7 year loans--that's practically a mortgage, and on a rapidly depreciating asset).

Here's the thing. While we may not feel it or like to admit it, we are wealthy. We have abundant resources. People complain about government waste, but look around our homes, and there are wasted resources everywhere. And even in a slow economy we have a wealth of opportunities. But we have to make changes. As another thread brought up, high fuel prices and immigrant labor problems add to produce prices, reliability, and legalities, all of which can be eased by growing local produce--I'm not the only one turning grower in a big way, and even in the cities, some are turning rooftops to tenant gardens. The point is that new circumstances open up new opportunities. That's what new businesses do---recognize need/problem, bring in skills and resources to solve it. It means doing things differently. If you want different things to happen, you have to make changes.

It works better than complaining and blaming--but that's the American way, it seems. We are waxing poor amid prosperity. We don't need to. We need only act.



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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 9:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

That means Armageddon was a place. The word was seemingly recategorized into something other than a simple noun



Yes, it was as you say, one a place, but now the word means something else -carnage on a grand scale.

Many years ago there was an insane asylum in London UK. It was called Bedlam Hospital. It has long since been knocked down. The name bedlam now means something else to Brits. It means chaos/confusion/disarray. As in: its bedlam in there !

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 10:03:50 AM   
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What of Nostradamus and his uncanny accuracy in certain events, like 9/11 for example. The year and the line of latitude or longitude i.e.[/size]
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I dont buy into Nostradamus. Have you read Aesops Fables ?

Many people wrote the fable through the ages. They are pre-age learning tools. Aesop was not one person. Likewise Nostradamus was many authors, just doing it for fun. A huge event unfolds, someone writes another prophesy, and of course pre dates it relative to the event, then it is discovered. Then some are stunned. These are the sort of people who believe in alien abductions. They want to believe in strange shit, like sky faeries and goblins.

Though generally scornful of this sort of thing, I have had weird experiences that I cannot explain.

As pubescent boys, my friend and I played the ouija board.

Of course, girls were uppermost in our minds. We asked questions about our future wives. Eddie we were told would marry a lady called Lynne when he was 21, and they would have 5 girl children. Eddie, did marry a woman called Lynne when he was 21. When I left my hometown, they had two daughters. Recently I found him through facebook. The two girl children have a brother, but no more sisters. The prophecy is partly true, and partly untrue. But it is staggering.

I was told I would marry a woman called Brenda before I was 30, and that we would have two girls. I did not. But I did meet a woman called Brenda when I was 29, who already had two girls, and there was real attraction between us, but she was married, and I dont do that stuff. Since then, she has become divorced, and is now warry of men. Too much time has passed us by as friends. She is bi now, and has a lady friend. Again, the prophecy was very insightful.

On another occasion we did the ouija thing before setting out for the scout meeting. We were frightened to be told that we would meet an enemy, and also that we would see death on the road. Later walking home from the meeting we stopped to buy some chips {french fries) in the chip shop we bumped into the school bully. Later, we saw a dead cat that had been run over in the road. How can this thing be so accurate sometimes ?



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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 10:20:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Look at the living conditions and the encroachment of human rights, not even caused by government but by overcrowding.


Overcrowding and intense competition seem to bring on a kind of group neurosis sometimes of the very worst kind



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ORIGINAL: Why do lemmings follow one another into the sea when each of them knows they can't swim ?



Similar to above, but when lemmings go running at full tilt en masse each only gets to see another lemmings arse, and not the upcomming water. I want to know if the running en mass behaviour is abnormal usually

We need a lemming scientist to tell us if they only ever do this when they are overcrowded, and hungry from too much competition. If we could know this, and were brave enough to extrapolate this into the human world, we might choose to do some thing about the rising global population.

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 10:44:48 AM   
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Nice analogy

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I am not sure if things are predetermined, but I do believe certain things occur in nature that cannot be helped. And we can learn alot from seeing how nature works.

I planted spearmint in my yard once. It grew quickly, it flourished, it reproduced like wildfire...... it was all over the place. It grew so much and spread so quickly that it eventually depleted the soil of the nutrients it needed.  It all died.

If we don't recognize and learn from spearmint we will naturally follow the same pattern. Human beings are overpopulating the earth and depleteing it of its resources.  It doesn't take a scientist to figure out the ending to this story. When and how long.... that's rather hard to predict; but its coming.

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 10:56:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"I planted spearmint in my yard once. It grew quickly, it flourished, it reproduced like wildfire...... it was all over the place. It grew so much and spread so quickly that it eventually depleted the soil of the nutrients it needed.  It all died. "

I like that analogy. But do note that all spearmint in the world did not die.

T


But all the spearmint in the system died. Just like all the bacteria in the tetri dish died. Once the resources are exhausted, all the consumers in the system die. Long before that, the bacteria in the dish tried to eat each other, or, if you like, in human terms- they went to war.

There are too many of us on the planet, all demanding to burn fossil fuels, and have nice furniture. The atmosphere is possibly in danger, and we are destroying the rain forests.Something we dont want to meet is creeping hither. I think this is what the lady meant T8

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 10:59:25 AM   
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At least get the damned quote correct. 

"Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."  Edmund Burke. 

Who was a British Statesman and Philosopher and is generally viewed as the philosophical founder of modern political conservatism.

For some reason since YOU do not know history you seem to believe that all do not know history.  You are incorrect. 



I must have my genius's muddled up. I thought it was the Spanish American Sandanista {yep I know I spelled it wrong] who wrote this.

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 11:00:27 AM   
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Is it possible that the human race simply has a defined life span though, and that we are nearing the end of it ?


History is rich with the writings and musings of apocalyptic doomsayers. Here is just a sampling:

Jesus in Mark 9:1 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."

Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are left unto the coming of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.”

The prophet Montanus cerca the end of the second century ce

Joachim of Fiore and his followers predicted the end in the year 1260.

William Miller, an illiterate farmer from upstate New York proclaimed that Jesus would return in 1843. His followers left their crops in the fields and gave away all their possessions.

Hal Lindsey wrote the runaway best seller The Late Great Planet Earth predicting a thermonuclear holocaust in the 1980s.

Edgar Whisenant, a former NASA rocket engineer, wrote 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988

Recently, there have been musings on the meaning that the Long Count Calender of the ancient Mayans ends on Dec 21, 2012.

Nothing new here with your friend, Thermy. Nothing new.


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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 11:05:28 AM   
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The plan, of course, is that it is all the fault of the Jews - Anne Frank deliberately didn't die in the gas chamber, but held up instead, and let typhoid devour her, only to spite your grandiose plans and fuck them all up. That's what the plan is.

Maybe there is a god after all .



I blame the Saxons myself

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 11:09:53 AM   
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we might have DNA that actually expires, and I mean internally.


We do ! Its called - apoptosis. Thats how we got fingers. Lines of cells along our paddles died in a pre planned regulated death sequence.

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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 11:18:21 AM   
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I am with you on this one PA, we are going to do it again big time. It might start in the Balkans again, or for a change, Egypt and Sudan over the water in the Nile, or perhaps the middle east. Then as before, the big boys side up with their favourites.

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You'll have to argue that point with the people you're arguing with about history and repeating it.

I'm not foolish enough to get into such a silly argument with a clueless idiot.


The statement was made that we will not repeat history.  I disagree.

The actuarials are the insurance industry agree with this risk assessment.

If the chance was remote- we all would easily have insurance for war- civil unrest- as a normal part of our home owners policy.

To the extent of insurance-  that industry charges extra money to get this coverage.

This should be an example of the peace dividend.

The premise that we wont repeat history is flawed- as we supposedly learned from Vietnam to have an exit strategy.   

Vietnam was in our lifetime- and here we are in Iran/Afghanistan longer then Vietnam with no exit strategy.

Yet- some here think we learned from history.

We did not.


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RE: The plan - 7/4/2010 11:55:47 AM   
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Get your silver and gold before the dollar devaluation.

The dollar will be cut by up to 2/3.  But your debts will not be cut by 2/3.    However-  gold and silver owes no one anything- and this is the way to protect your retirement.



I dont know what to do.I read that precious metals are over bought and over valued.Besides the £ has no buying power at present, for us, everything is expensive, gold included

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