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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 7:12:38 PM   
Aneirin


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"I planted spearmint in my yard once. It grew quickly, it flourished, it reproduced like wildfire...... it was all over the place. It grew so much and spread so quickly that it eventually depleted the soil of the nutrients it needed.  It all died. "

I like that analogy. But do note that all spearmint in the world did not die.

T


I also like that analogy, but in the fact that all the spearmint in the world did not die, could mean disaster happens on many scales, each one of them only relevant to a minority. Which could already be happening, but because a minority is involved it gets passed off as just one of those things that happens in the world and gets reported.

Of the things that get reported, all the disasters, we are used to hearing about them, so perhaps we have become blase about them, but what if it is all these disaters have a pattern, is anyone watching ?

But spearmint is the correct mint for Arabian mint tea and does well when added to green tea to make the stuff bearable.


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 7:57:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		MM- since we wont repeat history then surely my home and car insurance then would cover acts of car- and unrest. 

We wont repeat the past... so why wont the actualials cover this?

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 8:20:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The plan, of course, is that it is all the fault of the Jews - Anne Frank deliberately didn't die in the gas chamber, but held up instead, and let typhoid devour her, only to spite your grandiose plans and fuck them all up. That's what the plan is.

Maybe there is a god after all .

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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 8:28:12 PM   
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The plan, of course, is that it is all the fault of the Jews - Anne Frank deliberately didn't die in the gas chamber, but held up instead, and let typhoid devour her, only to spite your grandiose plans and fuck them all up. That's what the plan is.

Maybe there is a god after all .


WOW!

Umm. . . kittin, do your meds need adjusting?


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RE: The plan - 7/2/2010 9:27:36 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Ayle, no- she thinks it is funny that people die and will die in wars.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 3:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I also like that analogy"

Omnidirectional thinking of course includes a forward "gear". Like biorythms there could be several cycles going on, in or out of phase or frequency coherence. First of all we might have DNA that actually expires, and I mean internally. Then we have external influeances, which would include great natural disasters and such. Only we call them disasters though,

In the past, volcanoes could erupt blackening the skies for decades, techtonic plates could shift causing tidal waves on a magnitude we have never seen throughout our history, and will probably never see, at least not twice :-) Lava spreading thoughout the land, water coming in contact with it, think about it in the context of those professional arguers of the global warming theory.

But then think of this. In that distant past nobody was around to witness these events, and only we, in our limited construct of thoughts define them as catastrophes. We only define them as such because they affect our needed resources, which is entirely the environment in which we live and the sun which we all orbit.

And then there is a very plausible theory about the shifting of the poles. In that it does not happen, the crust shifts. Our whole subterrainian world only extends down to the deepest mine shaft. Even that is within the crust, well within in fact. After that there are different levels and the entire surface of the Earth is indeed floating on liquid, over what they used to call a plastic manle or something like that. And the portion we have explored is about proportionally akin to the skin of an apple.

The fact that there is a declination between true and magnetic north proves it. But lodestones have been found, very deep I think, that have a different magnetic orientation. As the poles gain mass, the centripital force causes the Earth's crust to shift by about ninety degrees. That means Antarctica could be at the equator, or the US could be at the south pole, well not quite but it should illustrate the point and as I pointed out, that can be figured out from the different angles of declination at the different lines of longitude, but nobody has thought of doing that as far as I know. We could possibly predict the new global map, but all that matter now is quarterly profits.

Who knows how many other cycles might be going on at the same time ?

Actually I shouldn't have posted this because nobody is going to understand it.

T

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 7:57:16 AM   
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surely my home and car insurance then would cover acts of car- and unrest. 

so why wont the actualials cover this?


You can insure for virtually anything if you're willing to pay the premiums.

If you're not, it's you ignoring the actuaries.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 8:23:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

surely my home and car insurance then would cover acts of car- and unrest. 

so why wont the actualials cover this?


You can insure for virtually anything if you're willing to pay the premiums.

If you're not, it's you ignoring the actuaries.


Why do the actuaries think that war and civil unrest is a likihood- a high probability.   We supposedly do not repeat history- so if this is- true then said insurance should be routine and common.

So when there is money on the line over the possibility of war or civil unrest-then the business community will not put its money on it.

Why?


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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 9:08:04 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You'll have to argue that point with the people you're arguing with about history and repeating it.

I'm not foolish enough to get into such a silly argument with a clueless idiot.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 9:27:01 AM   
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You'll have to argue that point with the people you're arguing with about history and repeating it.

I'm not foolish enough to get into such a silly argument with a clueless idiot.


The statement was made that we will not repeat history.  I disagree.

The actuarials are the insurance industry agree with this risk assessment.

If the chance was remote- we all would easily have insurance for war- civil unrest- as a normal part of our home owners policy.

To the extent of insurance-  that industry charges extra money to get this coverage.

This should be an example of the peace dividend.

The premise that we wont repeat history is flawed- as we supposedly learned from Vietnam to have an exit strategy.   

Vietnam was in our lifetime- and here we are in Iran/Afghanistan longer then Vietnam with no exit strategy.

Yet- some here think we learned from history.

We did not.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 9:30:31 AM   
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You'll have to argue that point with the people you're arguing with about history and repeating it.

I'm not foolish enough to get into such a silly argument with a clueless idiot.


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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 11:02:34 AM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		It is precisely this arrogance that leads us to repeat the follies of history.

I see it oozes beyond Wall Street.  It is in academia- and on this board.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 11:09:13 AM   
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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 11:13:11 AM   
pahunkboy


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In this case, the schoolyard seems the more likely setting.


According to you- the current economy is just a recession that is now lifting.


According to me- the current economy is a 10-15 year depression- where people will lose their jobs, houses, and in some cases retirement.
It is like the 1929 depression- but this time world wide with the dollar- not made out of gold/silver.... throw in a country that does not produce as much.


You-  put your lifes savings into the stock market.

Me- put your lifes savings into silver and gold.



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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 11:23:48 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You know not the first thing about my assets or my outlook.

And I'm STILL not having this stupid argument with you.

Go cmail the people you got into it with.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 12:52:51 PM   
Termyn8or


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So here we have it. Mm can't adapt enough to understand Hunky's point of view. Hunky still has trouble expressing himself without revealing his fixation on money and kit who wants to goad me into a fucking argument about the Jews.

Sounds about right, carry on.

Next time I got something to say about the environment or society or human nature maybe I'll just take it to an electronics forum. At least those people have to be rational or they have no earning power.

T

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 1:25:48 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		It's true--I like to see substance, not mere conjecture.

I've found it quite useful toward that earning power you suggest as a measure of rationality.

Wild theories, with nothing more to support them, are just that--wild theories. Anything is "possible." It's just not useful to take it seriously short of better support--especially when it flies in the face of existing information.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 3:17:54 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		Yeah Term,

dont worry tour pretty little head over a pesky thing such as history..  every thing is coming up roses- the future is so bright- I have to wear shades.

We have the best and the brightest.

As we celebrate Independence day-  ask yourself this.

What are we independent from?

Could it be the grip of history?   Could it be from the Bank of England?

How are we independent?  In what ways?


MM thinks that now that the Dems are in- that we have no worries.   That the economy will be back in a jiffy.  Keep in mind- that Dems are not Republicans.


Are you better off then you were 4 years ago?

Is the country better off then 4 years ago?


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The monetary system is pertinent.    Every day you use it.   You run a household and thus everything is measured in dollars.

But note the rush of heavy handed laws.

Why?

Are they doing this to help you and me?

Think hard.    You shelled out trillions for TARP- your toil is being taken from you- under force- the give goldman sachs bonuses.

_  today I got my property tax bill.    Is the economy pertinent?

You betcha.

With every depression comes major war- with lots of blood shed.


If you really want the answer to your post Term- study Germany.  

Study is in detail.   Start with the treaty of Versailles.  


My aunt lived thru it.  She was on the last train out- when Hitler went crazy.


There will be a major event- to take the mind off the masses of the bad economy.

You got unemployment checks ending- and tax bills due.

Wiemar is the precedent.    Each day that things hold together is a bonus for us.   I am wrong- up until the day that I am right.   That day is in our lifetimes.

So ask yourself-  did we really learn from history?

Is there a ruling elite?

Does trickle down work?

It really does not matter if most the list- thinks I am wrong.    I am wrong up until the day which I am right- which is in our lifetimes.

So- people can get on me- -- -- as they do- but there surely is one or two that quietly read along- and know that this is no time to be full of ego.

This is the biggest transfer of wealth in history.

Get your silver and gold before the dollar devaluation.

The dollar will be cut by up to 2/3.  But your debts will not be cut by 2/3.    However-  gold and silver owes no one anything- and this is the way to protect your retirement.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 4:23:35 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		You still have no clue about my political or economic positions.

You're continually arguing with someone you made up.

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RE: The plan - 7/3/2010 6:42:22 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Why are you two still here ? Are you going to pollute every fucking thread on this board, is that your goal ?

You people are wrecking the fucking place and I am sick of it. What was the topic of this thread, do you even remember ?

Did you even get the fucking point of my OP, or do you want to argue about money all year long ? Why don't you boys get a room and let us Men talk about more substantial matters. Money is shit, in fact worth less than shit. I don't fucking care. We know that.

No wonder you boys are on an internet forum, if you were in a bar someone would put your lights out. Goddammit start your own fucking thread, and write it yourself with no cites, quotes or fucking videos. Are you capable ?

I will not block either of you, but you both have lost most of my reapect. How does that grab you ?

Neither one of you has a clue as to what the fuck the OP meant and as such you should do as I do in such a situation, click the "back" button on your browser and shout it out somewhere else. I am sick of going through 150 posts to find anything relevant. And that does not just apply to this thread either.

T

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