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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/5/2010 8:30:38 PM   
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America has never been free...it's all an illusion to control everyone. Like in the Matrix...once we all "wake up" then everything will become clear.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/5/2010 9:42:29 PM   
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As I said, you dont have the ability nor want to understand.



Thats odd.   I have a 4 year degree.



Good for you. Based on your posts here, your next degree will be in basket weaving.


Good.  You are educated.   Basically you have no complaints with this private central bank.  When are you finally going to pay YOUR are of the national debt?

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/5/2010 9:45:04 PM   
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So 61, according to you- this is only a recession and we will soon be back to normal?


Of course I disagree.  This is a depression, the system is broke beyond repair.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/5/2010 9:46:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

I don't know what your degree is in but you have no notion of accounting or economics whatsoever.


The dollar is worth about 3 cents from when the federal reserve took over.   I know when my wealth is evaporated.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:05:52 AM   
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So 61, according to you- this is only a recession and we will soon be back to normal?


Of course I disagree.  This is a depression, the system is broke beyond repair.



When did I say it was a recession?  At what point did I even imply that?

I just explained the simple facts, in simple terms, which clearly you did not, could not or would not comprehend.

The Great Depression had unemployment in the United States that rose to 25%, and in some countries rose as high as 33%.

Now with an unemployment rate of 9% we aren't even close to the record, so by that standard, we are not in a depression.

However, the current years inflation rate has been, Jan. 2.6%, Feb. 2.1%, Mar. 2.3% Apr. 2.2%, and May 2.0% where as last year inflation moved to negative numbers, look here http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/ for the information.

Another point to make is the following:

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The Great Depression:  A Succinct Statistical Summary The Dow Jones Industrial Average reached a peak of 381 on September 3, 1929.  By July 8, 1932, it had reached its floor of 41, a plunge of 89% in less than 3 years.  (This is a historical tidbit that those who think they are “bottom fishing” at current stock market levels should keep in mind.) The United States Gross Domestic Product was $103 billion in 1929.  By 1933 it had fallen to $56 billion, a decline of 46%.  Accompanying the freefall in both the economy and the markets, price levels were falling as well – meaning that the value of a dollar was rising rapidly.  The Consumer Price Index was at a level of 17.3 in September of 1929, and by March of 1933 had fallen to a level of 12.6.  This means that what cost $1.00 in 1929, cost 73 cents (on average) by 1933.  This 27% deflation, this fall in the average cost of goods and services, represents a 37% increase in the purchasing power of a dollar.


What I find annoying is that you believe the conspiracy bullshit as gospel and do not do your own research to find out the facts.  IF you are as smart as you claim you are, and IF you actually do have a college degree in something besides stupidology, then you would know how to research a topic since you would have had to do research on term papers.

Instead you take the most crackpot of theories, run with it, refuse to even consider verifying it for yourself, and then when someone actually proves you are wrong you condemn their sources are just tell them they are wrong.

All the information is available, do the research for your self, quit feeding on this conspiracy bullshit since all you are doing is making yourself look stupid.


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:32:35 AM   
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Why should I read what Chapman has to say, he is the financial equivalent to Glen Beck



Truth confuses/hurts you, eh? I've never read what Chapman has said but quite often during the better part of the past year I have watched Glen Beck hold up a red telephone and heard him invite anyone at the White House to call him during his tv show and refute anything he has said...to no avail.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:47:45 AM   
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Life Lesson 83; Do not argue with an idiot. It will cause you great annoyance whilst rarely alleviating the ignorance or stupidity of the idiot.

No. 83 in a limitless series.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:54:54 AM   
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No one said stuff doesn`t suck.

It just sucks less,in America.

The system isn`t broken.Capitalism isn`t broken.

It was abused by a trusted few and allowed to be abused by the neo-con predator capitalists in charge of oversight.




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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:12:33 AM   
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No one said stuff doesn`t suck.

It just sucks less,in America.

The system isn`t broken.Capitalism isn`t broken.

It was abused by a trusted few and allowed to be abused by the neo-con predator capitalists in charge of oversight.





Better neo-con capitialists than libertard socialists.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:19:07 AM   
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It was bush who nationalized the banks and AIG and used US taxpayer dollars to bail them out.


http://cbs5.com/national/bush.financial.bailout.2.840104.html

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:29:34 AM   
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After a scan through of this thread it has come clear to me that none of you have the true understanding of what money is.

By it's very nature money is NOTHING. You never own it because it is nothing. It is a medium of exchange, like a marker. It doesn't matter if it is scrip of a ledger entry. Think of it this way, money's sole purpose is to trade it for something of value. That logically indicates that it has no value. Once you get this through your fucking skull the whole thing takes on a new meaning.

For example I loan my buddy a ladder, a nice class 1 36' ladder. He lost it. Now because I am running some game right now I might take his money because it is what some people want. Such as the two lawyers I have on retainer not to mention the utility companies and gas station, and even the grocery stores. That's all I need the money for and if not for this little mess that I am in temporarily I would not want payment for the ladder, I either want my ladder back or one just like it. Depending on conditions I might sell it, but have not decided to do so at this time. If I lost the three hundred bucks the ladder is "valued" at it would hurt, but only because I have debts that can only be paid with money.

In Chicago years ago you could rob a bank of a million dollars and if caught go to prison of course. But if you stole a car you could get the death sentence. Why ? They used to execute people who stole horses, why ? Because those things have real value. Money doesn't, never has and never will. The only value it has is imposed by those who need it. I'd rather have a ladder and that is why I traded money for a ladder.

You NEVER own land either. You own a deed. The deed is an agreement in solidarity with the powers that be that you are in control of the parcel of land, and then of course you must pay tribute, or rentes in the form of taxes to keep it.

In fact, I've been told that the land on which the capitol of this country sits in DC is owned by a foreign power. Look it up if you want but it is not worth my time because it is not a material point.

But really money is only worth what other people think it is who want it from you. Do you live your life based on what other people think ? To what degree ?

I'm still waiting for that gold bullion sandwich fried in crude oil.

Pass the mayo.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:29:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


No one said stuff doesn`t suck.

It just sucks less,in America.

The system isn`t broken.Capitalism isn`t broken.

It was abused by a trusted few and allowed to be abused by the neo-con predator capitalists in charge of oversight.





Better neo-con capitialists than libertard socialists.


I love this guy, RacerJim....Has one of my favorite profiles on CM.

Keep It Simple Stupid

"I am a unattached dominant white man looking for an unattached or attached (only if in an open relationship) submissive white woman with whom to enjoy an ongoing but non-serious mutually fulfilling D/s relationship.

Simple enough?
"


He loves white women and "ass play."

Although I'm not an ass in real life I play one on the forums.

One of my CM favorite people...What a turd!

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:44:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

It was bush who nationalized the banks and AIG and used US taxpayer dollars to bail them out.

That's why Bush lost so much support from conservatives that his approval rating upon leaving office was only 35% +/-. Note that then POTUS candidate/nominee Senator Obama implored Bush to do that so that he (Obama) could "hit the ground running" (Obama's words) towards preventing the total collapse of our financial system. Note also that the Democratic super-majority Congress (including Obama) voted for it. Note finally that while out one side of his mouth POTUS Obama has repeatedly desparaged Bush for leaving him a $1.3 Trillion deficit, MORE THAN HALF OF WHICH WAS TARP FUNDING OBAMA HAD JUST VOTED FOR, out of the other side of his mouth Obama has repeatedly claimed TARP prevented the total collapse of our financial system.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:47:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Owner59


No one said stuff doesn`t suck.

It just sucks less,in America.

The system isn`t broken.Capitalism isn`t broken.

It was abused by a trusted few and allowed to be abused by the neo-con predator capitalists in charge of oversight.





Better neo-con capitialists than libertard socialists.


I love this guy, RacerJim....Has one of my favorite profiles on CM.

Keep It Simple Stupid

"I am a unattached dominant white man looking for an unattached or attached (only if in an open relationship) submissive white woman with whom to enjoy an ongoing but non-serious mutually fulfilling D/s relationship.

Simple enough?
"


He loves white women and "ass play."

Although I'm not an ass in real life I play one on the forums.

One of my CM favorite people...What a turd!


Typical libertard. Can't refute the message so (attempt) to desparage the character of the messenger.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:49:59 AM   
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Which begs the question:

if things are so good for us- then we do we keep spending money to bail out these banks?

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:52:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59


No one said stuff doesn`t suck.

It just sucks less,in America.

The system isn`t broken.Capitalism isn`t broken.

It was abused by a trusted few and allowed to be abused by the neo-con predator capitalists in charge of oversight.





Better neo-con capitialists than libertard socialists.


I love this guy, RacerJim....Has one of my favorite profiles on CM.

Keep It Simple Stupid

"I am a unattached dominant white man looking for an unattached or attached (only if in an open relationship) submissive white woman with whom to enjoy an ongoing but non-serious mutually fulfilling D/s relationship.

Simple enough?
"


He loves white women and "ass play."

Although I'm not an ass in real life I play one on the forums.

One of my CM favorite people...What a turd!


Typical libertard. Can't refute the message so (attempt) to desparage the character of the messenger.


I think he's trying to imply that you may be racist, darlin'.  Now, I could be wrong, and I'll apologize if that's not the case.  Of course, my biggest complaint so far about you is that your grammar is a little off.  ^_^  I am aN unattached...-Smiles.- 

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:57:27 AM   
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Of course some here worship Goldman Sachs,  JPM who are both owners of the Federal Reserve.



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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 8:43:48 AM   
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Since Uncle Sam started to pull the silver from the coinage in 1965, what did they do with it?I've read the stats on how much Gold there is supposed to be in Fort Knox, but where did all that silver run off to

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 12:33:13 PM   
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Timothy F Geithner has said that banking institutions in the US have repaid the majority of the bailout money they received from the government.
Timothy Geithner
The Treasury secretary revealed that about 75 per cent of the cash received by the likes of Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) has been already paid back.

Furthermore, he said these payments had generated an additional $24 billion in revenues for US taxpayers.

According to Mr Geithner, the Treasury is now "well on [its] way" to winding down TARP ahead of the authority to make new commitments expiring in October 2010.


http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/2010/Jun/23/US_banks_%27have_repaid_75%25_of_TARP_money%27.html

It is hard to understand why you did not know this little tidbit hunky, or did you just ignore the facts as usual?


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 12:34:43 PM   
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Then why are they planning to cut Social Security?

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