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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 5:33:41 PM   
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Yup--  defend the private central bank.  Wow.


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:04:33 PM   
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For the umpteenth time, the FED is not privately owned, and that has been explained to you repeatedly, you are just too fucking dense to understand the truth.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:08:34 PM   
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For the umpteenth time, the FED is not privately owned, and that has been explained to you repeatedly, you are just too fucking dense to understand the truth.


No, he's dense, but on this issue he just doesnt want to understand. Nor does he want to understand that the Fed has nothing to do with the housing bubble/burst. He reads a Ron Paul quote and thinks it can be applied to everything under the sun.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 6:15:19 PM   
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For the umpteenth time, the FED is not privately owned, and that has been explained to you repeatedly, you are just too fucking dense to understand the truth.


The fed is a FOR PROFIT private corporation.

This is why we broke from England.  This is what wars are about. 

I explained it all to you- and you refuse to believe it.      The dollar is a fiat currency.

You have no idea how we are all debt slaves.

YOU owe a portion of this debt.  YOU.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 7:41:36 PM   
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Once more you idiot, the federal reserve is not privately owned, and it not for profit.  I cant believe you are so stupid to believe the bullshit that these fucking sites put out. 

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Who owns the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects. As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government." The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.


Why dont you use the freedom of information act to get the stock holders information on which banks own stock in the federal reserve so they can be members of the system?

The answer to that question is simple, you would rather believe someone else's garbage and bullshit on some fucked up conspiracy site rather than find out for your self.

Furthermore, the Federal Reserve does not print or issue money, that is done by the bureau of printing and engraving  department of the US Treasury, again look it up for yourself.  I will even help you get started.

First click on this link  http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=who+prints+the+money+in+the+us%3F&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGLL_enUS378US378&ie=UTF-8

There is even a link on that page that explains how money, bills and coins gets into circulation, which will explain other points for you.

I really have a hard time believing that some one could be so stupid as to post some of the crap you do.  Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would know the information is bullshit, and if they had any doubt they would do their own research.  The problem with you is that you believe this stuff, and refuse to listen to the facts, double check it for yourself and do your own research.

This stuff is talked about in high school civics classes for christ's sake.  I cant believe you have a degree in anything, because there is no way a college educated person would believe half this crap.


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 8:06:57 PM   
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Furthermore, the Federal Reserve does not print or issue money, that is done by the bureau of printing and engraving department of the US Treasury, again look it up for yourself. I will even help you get started.

Here is a simple explanation how money is created and destroyed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNehYxy77RI
Anything wrong?
Also, an example how Fed can be engaged in questionable behavior that has a potential to ruin the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ&feature=player_embedded

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 8:48:36 PM   
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Once more you idiot, the federal reserve is not privately owned, and it not for profit. /snip

You are an agent for JP Morgan.   

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 8:52:33 PM   
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Incredulous that you think the private central bank is a good thing.


Absolutely pathetic.

YOU are baling out these FOR PROFIT casino banks.  YOU.

Get it thru your head- the Federal Reserve is a private corporation- that is privately owned. It is a cartel.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 8:58:22 PM   
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Once more you idiot, the federal reserve is not privately owned, and it not for profit. /snip

You are an agent for JP Morgan.   



I wish I was an agent of JP Morgan, I would have a hell of a lot more cash than I do now.

As for you, I have come to the conclusion that you are among those who are terminally stupid, which means that by some sheer stroke of outstanding luck, you managed to reach adulthood.  You are one of the reasons that chainsaw manufacturers put the warning "Do not attempt to stop the blade with hands." in the owner's manual.

There is nothing worse than a stupid individual who will not or can not accept the facts.  You could research and get the information for yourself, but you wont, simply because you are incapable of doing any kind of real research.  Your brain just cant handle the simplest  requirement for honest to god research.

To put it bluntly, you are the same kind of person that I used to have to deal with on a daily basis who I would routinely, after a number of password resets, give the password "iamanidiot" to, and no I never got fired for it.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 9:01:13 PM   
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Incredulous that you think the private central bank is a good thing.


Absolutely pathetic.

YOU are baling out these FOR PROFIT casino banks.  YOU.

Get it thru your head- the Federal Reserve is a private corporation- that is privately owned. It is a cartel.



hunky,. I hear you but I don't see a link for your claim that the Fed is privately owned.  And the stuff I pulled up states that, just like Jeff said, it's 'not a private, profit-making institution'. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."[/link]

[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System


I'm keeping an open mind but don't see any support for your stance about it being private.

Also... a cartel is when several suppliers form a near-monopoly.  A single entity cannot be a cartel, but can be a member of one.


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 9:10:41 PM   
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Well then 61, you should have paid attention to history.    You defend these robber barrons, so much so that you become one of them.

While you are at it- study the IMF and the Word Bank.

The fact that money is not silver and gold is one of your biggest clues.

Some of you are so lane- you think of only the ABC political party gets in- that America will be fine.

We are ruled by Goldman Sachs,  JPM, and the other owners of the Federal Reserve.



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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 9:14:06 PM   
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Incredulous that you think the private central bank is a good thing.


Absolutely pathetic.

YOU are baling out these FOR PROFIT casino banks.  YOU.

Get it thru your head- the Federal Reserve is a private corporation- that is privately owned. It is a cartel.



hunky,. I hear you but I don't see a link for your claim that the Fed is privately owned.  And the stuff I pulled up states that, just like Jeff said, it's 'not a private, profit-making institution'. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects."[/link]

[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System


I'm keeping an open mind but don't see any support for your stance about it being private.

Also... a cartel is when several suppliers form a near-monopoly.  A single entity cannot be a cartel, but can be a member of one.



If you really are curious- look around on this site.

http://www.intforecaster.com/s_portada.php

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 10:16:03 PM   
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And where does that site say that the fed is privately owned?

Lets start with a few basic facts that are irrefutable.

The website for the federal reserve bank is http://www.federalreserve.gov/

The domain name .gov is a sponsored top-level domain (sTLD) in the Domain Name System of the Internet. The name is derived from government, indicating its restricted use by government entities in the United States.

From the FEDERAL RESERVE FAQs

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm
http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm#5

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Who owns the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.


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Why did Congress want the Federal Reserve to be relatively independent? The intent of Congress in shaping the Federal Reserve Act was to keep politics out of monetary policy. The System is independent of other branches and agencies of government. It is self-financed and therefore is not subject to the congressional budgetary process.


I must point out one glaring fact that you do not seem to grasp.  If you would actually look at the records of the internal audits that are online, or using the freedom of information act, request copies of the audits, you would see that the FED does not make a profit.  It breaks even.
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Federal Reserve Act of 1913 (P.L. 63-43, 38 STAT. 251, 12 USC 221) Summary: Established the Federal Reserve System as the central banking system of the United States to ease disruptions in the monetary system -- provide liquidity and encourage lending activity. The Act established he Federal Reserve Board in Washington, DC and 12 Federal Reserve Banks in districts around the country.
Key Points:
  • Membership in the Federal Reserve is required for national banks and is optional for state banks.
  • The Federal Reserve has the power to rediscount eligible paper of commercial banks.
  • Banks can borrow against eligible assets to obtain funds to meet temporary cash needs,to pay out depositors or to provide for an increase in loan demand.
  • The Federal Reserve is the primary federal regulator for state banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System, and work with State Banking Departments in regulating State Member Banks.
Now to make a little point about the call to return to the gold standard, since that is also on that page:

The total amount of gold that has ever been mined has been estimated at around 142,000 metric tons.    Assuming a gold price of US$1,000 per ounce, or $32,500 per kilogram, the total value of all the gold ever mined would be around $4.5 trillion. This is less than the value of circulating money in the U.S. alone, where more than $8.3 trillion is in circulation or in deposit.

Do the math hunky, there is not enough gold in the world to cover all the money presently in circulation, so returning to the gold standard cant be done.  Any moron can see that.

Now, why dont you use your brain for something more than a spacer between your ears and actually do some thinking for yourself instead of swallowing the garbage you have been reading on the web. 





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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/6/2010 10:59:07 PM   
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PaHunkboy, you are once more posting a conspiracy websites false bullshit.  The fact is that the FED is owned by member banks who own a set amount of stock in the Fed, and the majority stock holder is the Fed itself.

Read the information for yourself, or better yet, use the freedom of information act to get the documents proving that these conspiracy idiots are lieing out their ass

Well the fed does in fact make profits, $45 Billion on 2009. Also, seeking the ownership and breakdown of stock in the fed does not survive the FOIA.

Ownership is by now, irrelevant as it isn't necessary for it to even exist. This country was doing fine under private banking until the fed's 1913 formation. By its charter's own claims...it has been an abject failure.

The question of ownership arises out of the never-ending frustration in that it does not and has not served society. So the question becomes...why does it exist and to what end if not to profit somebody as it makes decisions...not made by the marketplace.

In essence, the creation of the fed (any central bank with the power of currency) took this country and all others who are slave to a monetary system of capitalism...away from a real free market.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 12:06:44 AM   
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I must point out one glaring fact that you do not seem to grasp.  If you would actually look at the records of the internal audits that are online, or using the freedom of information act, request copies of the audits, you would see that the FED does not make a profit.  It breaks even.


The total amount of gold that has ever been mined has been estimated at around 142,000 metric tons.    Assuming a gold price of US$1,000 per ounce, or $32,500 per kilogram, the total value of all the gold ever mined would be around $4.5 trillion. This is less than the value of circulating money in the U.S. alone, where more than $8.3 trillion is in circulation or in deposit.

Do the math hunky, there is not enough gold in the world to cover all the money presently in circulation, so returning to the gold standard cant be done.  Any moron can see that.







A couple of minor points jilf. First, external audits of the Fed finances are on the website, audited by Deloitte and Touche. And in response to the post below yours, you are correct...their operations are essentially break even, in fact a small loss in 2009, not 45 billion in profits.

However your figure of 8.3 trillion "in circulation or in deposit" is misleading. What is actually in circulation and therefore needed to be backed by gold were we on a gold standard is about 1 trillion. The rest is the result of fractional reserve policy. Fractional reserves exist under a gold standard...its only the cash in circulation that needs to be backed by gold, not the total of cash and deposits.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 12:19:04 AM   
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You should hear what Bob Chapman says.   Alex is too easy on the private central bank.


I don't give a flying fuck what some douchebag rightard sick fuck says. Just like I don't give a fuck what goofy-assed bullshit you come up with. You have demonstrated over the two or three years that I have been here that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. We all know how badly you want to attach your mouth to the festering prolapsed rectum of Lyndon LaDouche. I personally think that anyone who wants to suck the dacaying waste products of last night's beer and fishstick dinner out of some suck fuck's ass has some serious mental problems, but, hey, we're all supposed to be tolerant here. They don't let you get anywhere near any minors there in PA, do they?


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 1:29:06 AM   
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You should hear what Bob Chapman says.   Alex is too easy on the private central bank.


I don't give a flying fuck what some douchebag rightard sick fuck says. Just like I don't give a fuck what goofy-assed bullshit you come up with. You have demonstrated over the two or three years that I have been here that you are incapable of thinking for yourself. We all know how badly you want to attach your mouth to the festering prolapsed rectum of Lyndon LaDouche. I personally think that anyone who wants to suck the dacaying waste products of last night's beer and fishstick dinner out of some suck fuck's ass has some serious mental problems, but, hey, we're all supposed to be tolerant here. They don't let you get anywhere near any minors there in PA, do they?




Dont confuse pa with the right. He isnt even close.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 1:47:30 AM   
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Folks, this is only the end of the world if you let it be. None of you realize how irrelevsnt this bullshit is. Unless someone comes and drags you away in chains, it is you who enslave yourself.

I am going to stop now because if I don't, they will find out and kill me.

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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 4:05:54 AM   
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Dont confuse pa with the right. He isnt even close.


He's not left either.


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RE: Is America Really Free, If A Privately-Owned Centra... - 7/7/2010 6:32:01 AM   
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It was bush who nationalized the banks and AIG and used US taxpayer dollars to bail them out.

http://cbs5.com/national/bush.financial.bailout.2.840104.html


He didnt veto it, that is the only sense in which it was Bush who nationalized them. And a veto would have easily been overridden.

One congressman on the floor of the house said that Bush threatened to declare martial law. In any case Bush & Co. helped engineer govt. acqiesence rather than police the vast majority of shit-paper that CountrySide mortgage among others were then selling to the big banks in NY.

Make no mistake about this...the neo-cons and the capitalist Wash./NY regime salivated over more money than in any single appropiation in our history.

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