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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 8:10:16 AM   
Musicmystery


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Fresh off moderation, and he comes out insulting right and left in lieu of cogent arguments.

Some people learn more slowly than others. Some never quite get it, blaming their problems on others continually instead.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 8:21:24 AM   
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nice of you to not to notice others insults.

that was just an example to demonstrate the rules of legal construction to someone who would label others clueless when in fact others were absolutely correct.

care to go over rons version of the constitution now?  as in defend it?  would love to hammer that one out.

Thanks for sticking up for me and whats right.


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 8:23:15 AM   
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Nope. You are a waste of time.

There's never any discussion, just jabs, spin and elaborate fabrications.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 8:23:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

It's the same with any leader, what they say they will do whence they are in power is often vastly different from what they can actually do and will do. One of the reasons why I have little faith in politicians as I see them only needing us to get where they want to be after that, fuck 'em it is their own career they are interested in not the people who got them there as there is always a mealy mouthed reason why they are unable to implement what they promised. Either that or they conveniently forget what they told us they were fighting for.

I am always wary of those that seek positions of power over others, but it is all too easy to forget and be swept along in the fervour of an election only to be sorely disappointed when your man proves not to be what he was vaunted to be. The  most recent case of this, is Mr Clegg, the co prime minister whom I believe sold out his party principles for a grab at power thus indicating the true intent of politicians.

A conservative/Liberal democrat pact, how unnatural is that, it cannot exist as the two are vastly different and it is only a matter of time before conservative gain the upper hand and Clegg resigns his party to another ninety years of obscurity and with that the death of hope.


look to article 34, 61, magna charta and the wager of law.

that is where you will find your remedy


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 8:26:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nope. You are a waste of time.

There's never any discussion, just jabs, spin and elaborate fabrications.


from you that is the SOP.

as noted above.

you seem to have the misguided philosophy that someone should be able to slap another unjustly without getting their ass handed to them in return

discussion requires more than one party

oh btw you dont by any chance consider yourself a dom do you? 


BTW this is ballentines LAW DICTIONARY but they are just as clueless as myself and the court aint that right?



thanks for playing though.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 7/11/2010 9:22:50 AM >


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 9:23:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nope. You are a waste of time.

There's never any discussion, just jabs, spin and elaborate fabrications.


from you that is the SOP.

as noted above.

you seem to have the misguided philosophy that someone should be able to slap another unjustly without getting their ass handed to them in return

discussion requires more than one party

oh btw you dont by any chance consider yourself a dom do you? 


BTW this is ballentines LAW DICTIONARY but they are just as clueless as myself and the court aint that right?



thanks for playing though.


too bad "body corporate" doesnt have the slightest thing to do with the US being a corporation in the sense you are trying to imply it does

please stop playing. Striking out is so tedious to watch.

< Message edited by willbeurdaddy -- 7/11/2010 9:25:44 AM >

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 9:52:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nope. You are a waste of time.

There's never any discussion, just jabs, spin and elaborate fabrications.


from you that is the SOP.

as noted above.

you seem to have the misguided philosophy that someone should be able to slap another unjustly without getting their ass handed to them in return

discussion requires more than one party

oh btw you dont by any chance consider yourself a dom do you? 


BTW this is ballentines LAW DICTIONARY but they are just as clueless as myself and the court aint that right?



thanks for playing though.


too bad "body corporate" doesnt have the slightest thing to do with the US being a corporation in the sense you are trying to imply it does

please stop playing. Striking out is so tedious to watch.




That was not enough of a hint of what was coming huh?  Well enjoy this on your down down titanic.



quote:

CORPORATION
corporation,n. An entity (usu. a business) having authority under law to act as a single person distinct from the shareholders who own it and having rights to issue stock and exist indefinitely; a group or succession of persons established in accordance with legal rules into a legal or juristic person that has legal personality distinct from the natural persons who make it up, exists indefinitely apart from them, and has the legal powers that its constitution gives it. - Also termed corporation aggregate; aggregate corporation; body corporate; corporate body. See COMPANY. [Cases: Corporations 1. C.J.S. Corporations §§ 2, 4.] - incorporate,vb. - corporate,adj. "A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law.... [I]t possesses only those properties which the charter of its creation confers upon it."
Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 518, 636 (1819)(Marshall, J.).

Black's Law Dictionary (8th ed. 2004) , Page 1033
1033




NOW ONCE AGAIN AS I SAID:


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
he is not the president of a country he is the president of a major corporation under the united States of America.

see the articles of confederation if you do not believe the US Code

TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002
§ 3002.
Definitions


SNIP

(14) “State” means any of the several States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas, or any territory or possession of the United States.

(15) “United States” means— (A) a Federal corporation;

(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or

(C) an instrumentality of the United States. (16) “United States marshal” means a United States marshal, a deputy marshal, or an official of the United States Marshals Service designated under section 564. .





Have a nice day, when they cant read a fucking dictionary and understand the associated case law I am finished dealing with this abysmal big dick ego saving foolishness of you and your ilk.


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 9:52:19 AM   
Musicmystery


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quote:

SOP.

as noted above.

you seem to have the misguided philosophy that someone should be able to slap another unjustly without getting their ass handed to them in return

discussion requires more than one party

oh btw...


Really, this is going to continually sum it up, with responses repeatedly illustrating the observation.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Fresh off moderation, and he comes out insulting right and left in lieu of cogent arguments.

Some people learn more slowly than others. Some never quite get it, blaming their problems on others continually instead.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 10:07:18 AM   
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Musicmystery, do you REALLY believe that Realone is going to do anything besides insult people, twist words around, OR even find the pertinent definition of terms?  He even quotes case law in his tagline that reflects the fact that the sovereign in question means a sovereign nation, not an individual citizen. 

He is nothing more than a troll, fraud, liar, and all around pain.


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 1:24:17 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Musicmystery, do you REALLY believe that Realone is going to do anything besides insult people, twist words around, OR even find the pertinent definition of terms?  He even quotes case law in his tagline that reflects the fact that the sovereign in question means a sovereign nation, not an individual citizen. 

He is nothing more than a troll, fraud, liar, and all around pain.




well I will stop back and visit you all once in a while but its precisely this kind of foolishness I have little patience for.  saying sovereign citizen is saying free slave.  abysmally absurd.  I corrected you more times that I can count.   you people are simply far to uneducated in government to waste my time with when its is better spent with peers where a real discussions for mutual benefit can take place. 

have a nice day


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 2:54:57 PM   
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No real, you are the one that is uneducated, and trying to pawn off some far right wing conspiracy laden manifesto on people who are smart enough to know better.

First let me clue you in on a simple fact

Sovereign:  1 a : one possessing or held to possess sovereignty b : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere c : an acknowledged leader : arbiter
2 : any of various gold coins of the United Kingdom

Sovereignty:  1 obsolete : supreme excellence or an example of it
2 a : supreme power especially over a body politic b : freedom from external control : autonomy c : controlling influence
3 : one that is sovereign; especially : an autonomous state

A citizen of a country cannot be and will not be autonomous.   They are subject to the laws of the country in which they reside.

Your whole point is moot and baseless.

Yes, by all means go away, to some place that will believe the crap you are putting forth.  When the truth and all your protests and manipulations find you in contempt of law, dont say you werent warned.


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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/11/2010 10:07:15 PM   
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Hello  jlf1961,WHY the good boy obama dont repeal all the unconstitutional laws that f-bush  established including the treasonous patriot act,but continue establishing many CZARS,funding  perpetual wars,also international abortion groups,continue mortgage by now our  great,great grandchildren in perpetuity and the long list going on.The answer is- he do as he is told ,like  the long chain of presidents since Kennedy(and we know what happen there),we have new world order administrators not presidents.There is one Satan with two heads-republicans/democrats spitting on each others to full the American people,but when to come vote for the International BANKERS/WARS benefit the bankers ,all voted for it.Im crying for you America in slavery since  December 1913.Slovak Prince

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/14/2010 5:07:26 AM   
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quote:

Terrorism is like a cancer,


Terrorism is indeed a cancer, fully metasticized into its host.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 1:33:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


quote:

Terrorism is like a cancer,


Terrorism is indeed a cancer, fully metasticized into its host.



Has this or any other administration give an official definition of terrorism?

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 1:37:01 PM   
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There is not even an international definition of the term. Terrorism is so loosely defined by different countries that it is almost humorous if it wasnt such a big problem.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 1:42:36 PM   
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There is not even an international definition of the term. Terrorism is so loosely defined by different countries that it is almost humorous if it wasnt such a big problem.



So if someone were to come bomb the shit out of the u.s. and take our president and have his enemies try him in court and execute him would that constitute terrorism?

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 1:56:31 PM   
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I am just telling you what I know. If you look up "international definition of terrorism" you find out that "The international community has never succeeded in developing an accepted comprehensive definition of terrorism. During the 1970s and 1980s, the United Nations attempts to define the term foundered mainly due to differences of opinion between various members about the use of violence in the context of conflicts over national liberation and self-determination."

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 2:00:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


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Terrorism is like a cancer,


Terrorism is indeed a cancer, fully metasticized into its host.



Has this or any other administration give an official definition of terrorism?


Of course not. That would stop them from funding noble freedom fighters like the MujahadeenTaliban, wouldn't it?

I think the occupation of Iraq is rogue nation stuff, but probably not terrorism as it's a uniformed national army doing most of the bad stuff. One definition of terrorism that is agreed upon by almost everybody is that terrorists aren't a uniformed army, so the Geneva convention doesn't apply to them.

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/20/2010 3:31:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


quote:

Terrorism is like a cancer,


Terrorism is indeed a cancer, fully metasticized into its host.



Has this or any other administration give an official definition of terrorism?


Of course not. That would stop them from funding noble freedom fighters like the MujahadeenTaliban, wouldn't it?

I think the occupation of Iraq is rogue nation stuff, but probably not terrorism as it's a uniformed national army doing most of the bad stuff. One definition of terrorism that is agreed upon by almost everybody is that terrorists aren't a uniformed army, so the Geneva convention doesn't apply to them.



So if a bunch of folks put on clown suits and burn down fuckingham palace that is regime change in a rogue state and not terrorism but if they all dress in civies then it is terrorism....too kewel

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RE: Obama Ends War On Terrorism Declares Americans The ... - 7/21/2010 6:15:35 AM   
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Pretty much, yeah. There was a point in the '70s and '80s when the provos were arguing that their taste for wearing balaclavas and cammo jackets was too a uniform, so they had to be treated as a military force rather than tried as civilians. The powers that were quite rightly found that one hilarious.

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