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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 4:09:28 PM   
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quote: "can you give her your time? can you give her dedication and loyalty? a person must invest themselves in the relationship and money is a very minor role."

Time, dedication and loyalty no longer apply to this lifestyle. Those words are meaningless or at best a symbolic gesture designed to meet someones hidden agenda. Money as a minor role? LOL Yes, I believe that! NOT! Women in this lifestyle all revolve around one thing and that is: What can you do for me financially that I cannot do for myself? Pathetically enough this attitude brings out all the trailer trash and low-income women who can come here and find an easy score at someone elses expense. So no, money most definitely does NOT play a very minor role and anyone who says otherwise is a fool with blinders on who needs a reality check. Or should at the very least do a search of female dominants in their area to see what I mean.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 4:26:20 PM   
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Bitter, much?

That there is a really lovely first post which will leave anyone clicking on the 'forum posts' button on your profile with a really lovely first impression of you and your views.

Well done.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 4:38:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: garmincanon
Time, dedication and loyalty no longer apply to this lifestyle. Those words are meaningless or at best a symbolic gesture designed to meet someones hidden agenda. Money as a minor role? LOL Yes, I believe that! NOT! Women in this lifestyle all revolve around one thing and that is: What can you do for me financially that I cannot do for myself? Pathetically enough this attitude brings out all the trailer trash and low-income women who can come here and find an easy score at someone elses expense. So no, money most definitely does NOT play a very minor role and anyone who says otherwise is a fool with blinders on who needs a reality check. Or should at the very least do a search of female dominants in their area to see what I mean.


Ok, so let's assume for a second that you're right, and MOST of the female dominants out there are in it for the money. And let's say you banished all Dommes who charge from the lifestyle. You would be left with...all the Dommes who don't charge. The exact same group, in fact, and the same minimal numbers as exist, are single, and don't charge now.

So...what's the difference? If the women you're looking for are far and few between, join the club! I've submitted happily to one man in the six years that I've been actively searching for it. That makes approximately...everyone else I've ever interacted with. There are hundreds and hundreds of Doms on this site and in life that I'm way not into, for one reason or another. So financial compensation is one of the things that you're not into - stop looking at Dommes that are looking for compensation. Make it the first thing you ask a new potential person. I have a few things that are absolutes that I always clear up with new people right away, to save both of us time and energy. I don't get furious with them for not fitting what I want, I realize that they don't really exist as a possibility for me, since that's not what I'm looking for.

If you look at one hundred profiles of Dommes on this site, and ninety nine are looking for financial compensation, and you're not looking for that, then there is only one Domme that should be on your radar. I'm sorry there aren't as many women as men on this site, and that a lot of Dommes charge, but that's just the way it is and will continue to be. Why waste your own time getting angry about it?

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 5:13:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

Bitter, much?

That there is a really lovely first post which will leave anyone clicking on the 'forum posts' button on your profile with a really lovely first impression of you and your views.

Well done.



You are presupposing that I believe their opinions matter in the slightest to me. Or that whatever they say will make an impact on my opinions. As far as I am concerned (and really that is all that matters), anyone who is in this lifestyle with an agenda that is financially motivated (whether pro or not), is no better than any other gold-digging slut or whore out there in the vanilla world. As such, their opinions simply do not matter to me. People have to have worth in this world to have an opinion that is valuable and meaningful. If they have no worth and are not a positively contributing factor in any meaningful way, shape or form, then they have no inherent value and as such anything they say means less than nothing and should pretty much be ignored or just laughed at and mocked.

< Message edited by garmincanon -- 7/17/2010 5:14:16 PM >

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 5:22:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: garmincanon

You are presupposing that I believe their opinions matter in the slightest to me. Or that whatever they say will make an impact on my opinions. As far as I am concerned (and really that is all that matters), anyone who is in this lifestyle with an agenda that is financially motivated (whether pro or not), is no better than any other gold-digging slut or whore out there in the vanilla world. As such, their opinions simply do not matter to me. People have to have worth in this world to have an opinion that is valuable and meaningful. If they have no worth and are not a positively contributing factor in any meaningful way, shape or form, then they have no inherent value and as such anything they say means less than nothing and should pretty much be ignored or just laughed at and mocked.


What you say may be true. In all honesty I don't know, because I only skimmed it.

Bear in mind that people in this lifestyle *without* a financial agenda will read your posts and think you're a douche based on them too.

I certainly do.

<edited to remove unnecessary quotes and snark>

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 5:27:09 PM   
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Wow! Such a strong and pithy insult. I guess it is pretty simple to insult someone based around an extra sentence to their paragraph structure. You must be quite proud to know that the strongest thing you can say to me regards improper grammer and does not address the core of the issue I presented. Damn, you sure tore me a new one there right? Did your momma teach you how to insult someones grammer or was that something you picked up from your oh so wonderful education system there in jolly England?

Of course now that I see you wear Birkenstocks and play with the idea of giving someone a toaster, your idiotic insult has even less meaning. I have encountered similiar styles of idiocy from people like you in the past who cannot argue on merit but instead choose to insult based on minor peccadilloes. Now go back to sniffing the tuna can like a good little Birkenstock wearing girl and leave the arguing to the grown ups.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 5:40:05 PM   
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Ok, to be fair I removed the insult about thirty seconds after I posted it.

I did address what you said. Your argument was that it didn't matter what people with financial agendas thought of your posts because they are worthless people.

My point was that everyone, even the agenda free, can click the forum posts button and make a judgement based on your posts. And that judgement will probably be that you're a douche.

But well done for addressing *my* point, instead of just accusing me of wearing terrible shoes...

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 6:19:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: garmincanon
Of course now that I see you wear Birkenstocks and play with the idea of giving someone a toaster, your idiotic insult has even less meaning. I have encountered similiar styles of idiocy from people like you in the past who cannot argue on merit but instead choose to insult based on minor peccadilloes. Now go back to sniffing the tuna can like a good little Birkenstock wearing girl and leave the arguing to the grown ups.


Birkenstocks are hot. Your argument is invalid.


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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 6:31:36 PM   
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Birkenstocks are hot. Your argument is invalid.


My darling, you know I adore you, but....no.

Birkenstocks are not hot.

I don't wear them though, so his 'argument' (if we can call that particular collection of faintly homophobic abuse an argument) is invalid anyways.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 6:42:34 PM   
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I would think that some of the money will go to them teaching you how Lables work

Dominant is something someone is.
Dominate is something someone does.

I will expect my check for $37.25 in the mail as soon as possible.

Please make payable to CASH.

QSM

...and a sub with a wallet is better than a sub alone..
and a sub who knows the difference between dominant and dominate...priceless.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 8:16:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious
quote:

ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB
Birkenstocks are hot. Your argument is invalid.
My darling, you know I adore you, but....no.

Birkenstocks are not hot.

I don't wear them though, so his 'argument' (if we can call that particular collection of faintly homophobic abuse an argument) is invalid anyways.


I'll admit I was more trying to defend you from faintly homophobic abuse, but having grown up with all the lesbians around, I find the stereotypical lesbian attire enormously attractive. Ok, ok, Birkenstocks are not hot. But in my opinion, nothing is more attractive on a woman than a pair of hiking boots and a flannel shirt.

My opinion may not count for much, being a straight girly girl and all...

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 9:55:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: garmincanon

how to insult someones grammer


Don't forget spelling and appropriate use of the apostrophe.



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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 11:03:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

I'll admit I was more trying to defend you from faintly homophobic abuse, but having grown up with all the lesbians around, I find the stereotypical lesbian attire enormously attractive. Ok, ok, Birkenstocks are not hot. But in my opinion, nothing is more attractive on a woman than a pair of hiking boots and a flannel shirt.

My opinion may not count for much, being a straight girly girl and all...
Heh-your opinion still counts (even though I have no flannel shirts ).

I'm glad to know you are being reasonable about the Birkenstocks, though...

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 11:29:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bamboozledbylove

The ones who want money are in it for the money...  If you pay for something you can be sure that the money part of the transaction is the only interest in it had by the selling party. That's an easy test to apply. Either know that it is a mercenary transaction, and want that, or avoid paying altogether so you deal only with women who are in it for non-money reasons. If you are paying and imagining that payment is secondary to some other thing, you have bought the right to delude yourself from a peddler of fantasies.


So your doctor is only in it for the money? Or does (s)he charge for their time and expertise because they are delivering a service? Do your attorneys work for free? Many doctors and attorneys also allow themselves to care for and about the people they are caring for or representing, and do their best to deliver the best quality for the money they're paid.  

I would argue that manypeople who charge for their services, (whatever they may be) also care very much for those who are paying. (yes, Domi, I know a domme is not a doctor, this is just an example)

At the same time, when you're paying a doctor, you are not paying for a relationship outside of the office. So, yes, if you are paying a domme, she is a professional, and you can't (or shouldn't) expect her to fall in love with you. It is a business arrangement.

Even a business arrangement doesn't preclude caring; it should preclude a dating type situation though.

I think where men get confused is that they really do care for the pro-dommes they see, and become frustrated when they realize that it is a business relationship. They don't understand that one can care for them, but not see them in "that" way.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/17/2010 11:53:50 PM   
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 It's bullshit to claim that female dominants are constantly asking for money, they don't.
That you make that statement indicates a profound lack of experience.
Sweeping statements and antagonistic comments are not going to get you the attention you crave, try showing some respect.


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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/18/2010 12:35:38 AM   
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Let's remember to discuss the subject, not each other. Unless you're logged into this thread twice, and then you may either continue to support your own position or argue with yourself; the results in either case are equally entertaining.



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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/18/2010 5:44:35 AM   
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I argue with myself all the time.

It's annoying though, because I'm almost always right.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/18/2010 7:02:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressRoux
I've considered going the monetary tribute route and even the Pro-Domme route. Actually, I'm still seriously considering the latter. Reflecting on My experiences in the last year, I feel like I'm basically a Pro who forgot to collect.


Pretty much my own experience.  Play partners for me are divided into two distinct categories, and it's them doing the dividing by their choices and behavior, not me.  Category #1 submissives treat me like a friend and a human being, spend time getting to know me and hanging out socially at Munches and events, and are cool people to just hang around with.  I enjoy playing with guys like this, and I select my personal play partners exclusively from this pool.  Hell, if you're in this category and you ask me nicely at a play party, you're almost guaranteed a spot on my dance card unless it's already insanely full.  And of course I'm not going to charge you.  This is about friends who like and respect each other having fun together.  But we do actually have to be friends first, and if you start out by treating me like some kind of fetishized object, we will never be friends or get to know one another as human beings.  Frankly when you do that, it's pretty freaking obvious you don't want to get to know me as a human being.  And that puts you firmly in Category #2.

Category #2 is much larger, and is comprised of men who don't give a shit about me, don't want to know me as a person or a friend, don't want to socialize with me and my friends, but do have a laundry list of fetishes they want done to them and expectations about what the woman should wear and act like when they do them.  They are only willing to relate to me as a sort of cardboard cut-out from a fet magazine or a personal porn star actress who exists only to gratify their "submissive" fantasies.

There is only one way I am at all willing to cater to people in Category #2, and that is as a straightforward business transaction where I am compensated fairly for my time and energy.  I *can't* have a friendly social transaction of mutual liking and respect with a guy who thinks of me as a masturbatory object that he can use.  It's simply not possible due to how he thinks of me and how he treats me.  If I try, I'm going to end up feeling used, exploited, and sick to my stomach.  I'm not submissive and I'm not willing to let myself be sexually used by strangers who don't give a shit about me and don't even like me as a person. 

Either a dominant woman figures out up front how to set her boundaries and say no to being treated like an object for sex fetishists who don't care about her to use, or she's going to end up feeling used, exploited and not very happy about it.  One way to set boundaries is to simply refuse all contact with "submissive" men who can't or won't relate to them as human beings.  Another way to set those boundaries is to decide that anyone who wants your time and energy must give back fairly and equally, and that means *either* they give back of their own time and energy, *or* they compensate financially or with barter skills. 

Both ways work.  Leaving yourself open for abuse and exploitation by greedy, uncaring, selfish, sexually aggressive do-me fetishists definitely does not, and I can't imagine any dominant woman sticking around for long without going into total burnout and running away from the whole scene if she doesn't figure out how to firmly set her boundaries.  I wonder how many we've lost because that kind of behavior has driven them away.


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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/18/2010 9:24:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
I *can't* have a friendly social transaction of mutual liking and respect with a guy who thinks of me as a masturbatory object that he can use.  It's simply not possible due to how he thinks of me and how he treats me.  If I try, I'm going to end up feeling used, exploited, and sick to my stomach.  I'm not submissive and I'm not willing to let myself be sexually used by strangers who don't give a shit about me and don't even like me as a person. 


This is incredibly interesting to me. It seems like "do me" fetishists who want to use dominant women as sex objects - and don't remotely care what the Domme wants - couldn't really call themselves submissive at all. What are they submitting to if they dictate the terms and don't care about pleasing the Domme how she wants to be pleased? That sounds like they're Doms who want a Domme to submit to them.

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RE: Money makes the world go round - 7/18/2010 9:26:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: garmincanon

Time, dedication and loyalty no longer apply to this lifestyle. Those words are meaningless or at best a symbolic gesture designed to meet someones hidden agenda. Money as a minor role? LOL Yes, I believe that! NOT! Women in this lifestyle all revolve around one thing and that is: What can you do for me financially that I cannot do for myself? Pathetically enough this attitude brings out all the trailer trash and low-income women who can come here and find an easy score at someone elses expense. So no, money most definitely does NOT play a very minor role and anyone who says otherwise is a fool with blinders on who needs a reality check. Or should at the very least do a search of female dominants in their area to see what I mean.


But your argument fails to consider that men play the game as well. Both in and outside of the lifestyle. There are more than a few men that are dominant who are looking for a woman that will serve in exchange for keeping. He covers all living expenses, and I'm not referencing those that desire a servant in the truest sense. The individuals referenced are on this site and I've conversed with quite a few. And I'm far from the demographic you're describing. I would go further to state that the more one extends outside the parameters you've mentioned the more likely you'll encounter a gentleman that wishes to provide. I'll be the first to admit that lifestyle isn't something I aspire to have, but I've been offered it on several occasions.

Now I'll address the other side of your argument. For every low-income trailer trash woman you've alluded to, there's a complementary male component out there as well. I've encountered them and oftentimes they have nifty ideas about slavery that include service and financial tribute. He's typically the sort that has zany ideas about her handing over assets  - most of which he lacks - and income. While there are honorable people that employ this component in their dynamic, I've never encountered a man of means that desired my pocketbook. I could present the same argument but as someone else mentioned it's pointless. If he doesn't meet my criteria he's not a viable candidate for consideration.

And there's something else you fail to grasp and I see this everyday in my environment. Men wave items of status to garner women's attention. Both in terms of dress, accessories, vehicle, recreational interests and where he elects to take her when dating. If the idea you're presenting really rang true one would expect him to do the reverse and be very discreet about his level of comfort to ascertain if she's really interested in his person versus his wallet. I'll be forthright and admit I see the reverse. It spans the lines in terms of age and background.

Oddly enough he believes his status will afford him a higher quality mate. Some will verbally articulate that certain women wouldn't take notice without it, but that inspires one to question why he wants her at all. His ability to trade up is dependent on the very thing you're disparaging. I don't deny there are those that seek financial tribute and some go about it deceptively, but no one is forcing you to entertain them. What you're ranting about has always existed. I have a hard time understanding why you're surprised by encountering elements that have always been evident in society. Where do you think the individual you're conversing with hails from? Food for thought.

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