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kdsub -> Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 11:52:01 AM)


I wonder if I went to Switzerland got a 13 year old girl drunk then raped her if I could walk away free?

Yes I know the 1977 sentence was only for 90 days… they should have that judges head too. Sometimes the mentality of European authorities in general is sickening.

If I were the dad I’d take out a loan and hire some thugs to hit him in the head and smuggle him back to the US where we punish child molesters.

Butch


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/ap_on_en_mo/roman_polanski




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 12:06:05 PM)

And yet people keep going to see the pervert's movies.




DCWoody -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 12:48:37 PM)

What I get from this is: man has sex with 13 year old in nation with 16 age of consent, is sentenced....serves sentence. Is now free. Americans want to lock him up for a further 48 days after changing their mind about the sentence. Swiss refuse on the grounds that he's already served his sentence.

It seems much ado about nothing to me.




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 12:49:59 PM)

He was sentenced to 90 days, in a psych unit for evaluation. After 42 days, he was released from psychiatric care. That does not make him released from legal custody.

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Swiss refuse on the grounds that he's already served his sentence


Thats not why they refused.




DCWoody -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 12:55:06 PM)

I have to say:re-read the story, seems like that's exactly why they refused to me. 




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 1:04:59 PM)

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In exchange, the judge agreed to drop the remaining charges and sentence him to prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation. However, he was released after 42 days by an evaluator who deemed him mentally sound and unlikely to offend again. The judge responded by saying he was going to send Polanski back to jail for the remainder of the 90 days and that afterward he would ask Polanski to agree to a "voluntary deportation." Polanski then fled the country on the eve of his Feb. 1, 1978, sentencing.

The Swiss government's main argument concerned confidential testimony given on Jan. 26 by Roger Gunson, the Los Angeles attorney in charge of the original prosecution against Polanski. The Swiss asked for the transcript, but Washington rejected the request.


Freed because the US government would not give up that confidential testimony. Court and hospital records are quite clear. The Swiss decided not to get involved.

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"We in Switzerland do not know, and that's why the government sought the transcript of Gunson," Cosandey said. "In extraditions, there are formalities that must be fulfilled. One is whether the person has already served his sentence."

Widmer-Schlumpf said this decision was not meant to excuse Polanski's crime, saying the issue was "not about deciding whether he is guilty or not guilty."

The government said extradition had to be rejected "considering the persisting doubts concerning the presentation of the facts of the case."

Beyond the legal confusion, Polanski's extradition was complicated and diplomatically sensitive because of Polanski's status as a cultural icon in France and Poland, and his history as a Holocaust survivor whose first wife was murdered by crazed followers of cult leader Charles Manson in California.


The bolded part adds more to the dynamic.... carrying much more weight than it should ever have.

The Swiss said.. prove it. The US declined to send the "confidential" transcript the Swiss demanded. The Swiss shrugged and let him go. They made no declaration of his innocence or guilt, even admitting they "did not know".




Termyn8or -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 1:05:28 PM)

OK. But do you also realize that some ex US govt officials also can't go to certain countries ?

T




rulemylife -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 2:46:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

He was sentenced to 90 days, in a psych unit for evaluation. After 42 days, he was released from psychiatric care. That does not make him released from legal custody.


That depends on how you want to interpret it.

The judge sent him for a psychiatric evaluation.  The doctors determined the evaluation was complete. An evaluation is not a sentence.

Regardless, is this really worth the resources and effort?

Even if you want to agree with the judge and say it was a sentence, is it really worth 33 years to pursue the man for missing 48 days out of 90?







tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 2:48:50 PM)

A flight from justice is just that, or do you defend those who flee with only a few days left to their sentence from prisons as well?




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 2:59:00 PM)

hmmm...maybe you have a 13 year old relative I can get drunk then rape...I'll serve 48 days with a psych evaluation. I'm saying the judge was wrong but if he was not crazy then he should have been tried for child molestation... That was the purpose of the evaluation… not the final term of the sentence. For a third country to deny justice is crap...it only encourages this behavior.

You and I both know his behavior would not be tolerated in their countries and they should honor our requests.

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:00:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


Even if you want to agree with the judge and say it was a sentence, is it really worth 33 years to pursue the man for missing 48 days out of 90?



Yes... it is to bring to justice an asshole that raped a child.

Butch




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:02:42 PM)

oops.. ya fixed it. thanks Butch




LadyEllen -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:05:31 PM)

Welcome to Switzerland.

In our country we do what we like, as we like, and if you dont like it you can lump it.

That will be 50-00 CHF. No credit.

E




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:08:34 PM)

I agree the fuck face fled the country cause he's a bitch......

He also never had permission to leave and did NOT serve his sentence, because he was famous he was free to walk away after leaving the Psychiatric Center.

That being said I would just like the same kind of unstopping vigilence for Justice when the name of the criminal is Bob Johnson.

It just seems to me more people are up in arms because his name is Roman Polanski.

Children are raped, and murdered every day. I have never once seen as much press about any one of them.

QSM




tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:11:11 PM)

Nor anyone coming out in support of a child rapist. Guess money and power really do talk. It takes quite a "man" to hide behind his wife's death while dealing with raping a 13 year old. Yet people just "love" his movies and support the perv everytime they go see one.




rulemylife -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:12:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A flight from justice is just that, or do you defend those who flee with only a few days left to their sentence from prisons as well?


I'm not defending him, he should have stayed and fought if as he and his attorney said the judge went back on his word, which there seems to be evidence of. 

Maybe you should ask yourself why you think this warrants the extraordinary efforts to extradite him.





tazzygirl -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 3:12:42 PM)

The rape of a child doesnt in your eyes?

He was sentenced to 90 days and ordered a psych evaluation. In any other case, once the evaluation was complete, they go back to court to the Judge. Now, show me where in any ruling the Judge said he could skip that last process?




DCWoody -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 6:11:27 PM)

Am I going insane, or is a 13 year old not a child?

/shitstorm




juliaoceania -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 6:40:09 PM)

His victim does not want him prosecuted further

He has never been accused of any other wrong doing...


He had sex with a teenager, not a child....he is not a pedophile the way that term is defined by the DSM-IV....

We have actual child predators in THIS country that we could be investigating with the money being spent on this guy. This is a waste of resources.

Now I am for the current age of consent, and I am for prosecuting people who have sex with teenagers, but by the same token, when I hear people call a sex crime against a teen "child sex crime", well it isn't... I think it muddies the water when we look at sex crimes committed against the prepubescent.




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Lousy Swiss…dumb assed French (7/12/2010 6:58:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


He had sex with a teenager, not a child....he is not a pedophile the way that term is defined by the DSM-IV....


You and I will disagree on this I am sure to the death.

13 is pedophiliac.

I don't care what you say, you may want to look at pictures of what she looked like at 13 and what he looked like at 13 and then tell me you honestly still think what he did isn't pedophiliac.

Age is subjective when it comes to development.... and in 1970 the Hoochie Mamma of the year 2010 is a far cry different from one another.

The DSM-IV is good for so many things... I really think it gets some very wrong, or at least only half right.

QSM




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