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Jeffff -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:16:42 AM)

He's a "consultant".

Those that can. do, those that can't, consult.




thishereboi -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:20:25 AM)

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.




Jeffff -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:22:48 AM)

Wonderful teachers suck!

They are quite often hot too. Then they end up in the news with everyone saying shit like," that poor boy, how could she do that to him".




vincentML -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:23:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.


I never said they are wonderful. I said they don't deserve to be slandered. Evidently your reading teacher was an exception to my view. Ah well.




domiguy -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:24:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

He's a "consultant".

Those that can. do, those that can't, consult.


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Oh...and I repeat my offer. You think my background in math/statistics and economics is made up? You think my consulting business is fictious? Put your money with your mouth is and I will post my credentials, my company's tax returns, my tax returns, and our brochures. till then stfu.


Based upon the last time he offered up a wager in which he finally conceded that there was only a 10% probability in what he puked out as being probable. There is little reason to believe anything that comes out of his blow hole.


What is the going line that everything he now says is fictitious?

I would have to guess that there is a 90% probability that his background in math/statistics and economics is made up....A 95% probability that his consulting business is fictional or at least not profitable. Lastly, there is a 100% probability that he weighs more than 260.

Anyone want to bet?.....lol.




vincentML -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:25:09 AM)

A well-rounded education is often a thing of beauty or a beauty of a thing.




thishereboi -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:28:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.


I never said they are wonderful. I said they don't deserve to be slandered. Evidently your reading teacher was an exception to my view. Ah well.


No, but you implied they were. And I can think of some who not only deserve to be slandered, they deserve to be fired.

Oh, and the little insult at the end...that was really cute. Calling my reading ability into doubt like that. Did you use that approach on your students and how well did that work for you?




domiguy -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:29:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.


I would take the worst teacher over wilbur any day of the week. Edited to add.....I mean the absolute worst. Included would be the pedophiles and the negligent.

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

Just because you didn't take advantage of the education offered to you does not cast a bad light upon teachers but says much more about you.




thishereboi -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:31:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.


I would take the worst teacher over wilbur any day of the week.

What in the fuck is wrong with you?
Maybe I have been reading too many of your posts again?

Just because you didn't take advantage of the education offered to you does not cast a bad light upon teachers but says much more about you.
That's right dg, when ever anyone disagrees with anything you say, fall back on your old standard of slinging insults. It's what you do best after all[8|]




domiguy -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:33:57 AM)

Why should I compliment you on your disparagement of teachers?




domiguy -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 6:35:01 AM)

learn how to use the "quote" thing. If you are capable.




Owner59 -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:03:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I don't know which one of you is worse? Willbur trying to convince us that most teachers suck or you trying to convince us that they are all wonderful.


I never said they are wonderful. I said they don't deserve to be slandered. Evidently your reading teacher was an exception to my view. Ah well.


No, but you implied they were. And I can think of some who not only deserve to be slandered, they deserve to be fired.

Oh, and the little insult at the end...that was really cute. Calling my reading ability into doubt like that. Did you use that approach on your students and how well did that work for you?




If you read the rants with a "stewie" voice-over,they are ten times more hilarious.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RmO6fc-FdE




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:28:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

I don't understand.  I hear all the time, "It's my body!  You can't tell me what to do with it!" when it comes to abortion, but the moment someone wants to educate their children on sex-ed without the school's involvement, it's neglect.  It's my kid.  Or potential kid.  O_o  


The issue isn't whether or not you want to educate your kids without the school's involvement. The issue is making sure that all children GET educated. It's great to say "I want to opt out and teach them myself"... but the point that some of the others have been making is "How, then, do we make sure that they ARE educated, and sufficiently educated to be able to understand if something goes wrong, or to make knowledgeable choices about how to respond if things seem... well... hinky?"

My solution to your quandry -- go ahead and teach your own kids BEFORE they're taught by the school system -- then, they'll have the parent's take FIRST... and let them know they can come to YOU with any questions about where what the school says and what -you- say differ... so YOU can explain why YOU taught them the other way first. That will not -only- assure a parent-sanctioned education for the kids, but it will teach them how to handle conflicting information from the world at large. Two excellent lessons for the price of one.

The fact is, you can opt out, but if you opt out, society has no way to assure that your children will receive accurate and effective education about what my parents used to euphemistically call "the facts of life". Making sure that children are accurately and age-appropriately educated about their own bodies and about the basics of reproduction and human relationships -IS- part of the fundamental basis of educating, IMO. It forms the foundation for healthy decisions throughout life regarding one's own body, and provides accurate information about the various experiences that human beings may have in relationship with one another -- and to me, that fits neatly into basic biology and social studies education. As I mentioned in my earlier post, students in -my- generation were GETTING this education without a lot of furor and rancor 44 YEARS ago!

Calla




LaTigresse -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:31:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

~FR~
Why is this even an issue? We expect the schools to teach our kids about the digestive system, the respiratory system, the circulatory system...so why the fuck not the reproductive system? Its what the schools are there for...to teach the kids about the world, and their bodies are part of that world. Personally I don't give a fuck why a given parent doesn't want their kid to learn the facts, screw that parent is my view of it. If you teach your kid about sex...good for you, however that doesn't change anything. Sex education should be taught in schools and the parents should NOT have the right to opt their kids out...what's next opting your kids out of the classes that cover evolution, astrophysics, or any of the other aspects of reality that fundies choose to disbelieve?

Sex is a natural part of life, many seem to forget that for most of humanity's time on this planet people were mating in their early teens...that's why kids need to learn about it before then...that's the natural time, biologically speaking, for people to begin experimenting with sex. And it is the school systems' function to teach kids what they need to know about the world when they need to know it.



The problem is narrow minded puritanical putzes that are afraid someone else will tell the kid their cooter/pussy/flower/whatthefuckever is really a vagina and that their pecker/weewee/dick/whatthefuckever is really a penis, and that the child might come home asking some halfway intelligent questions they are too uncomfortable to answer.

It is the parents' paranoia and hang ups.




LaTigresse -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:34:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mikeyOfGeorgia

this whole thing makes me rethink my views on home schooling kids. if more people would home school, then this would not be an issue.


Yeahhhhhhhh, I am all for a lot more, poorly educated and socially inept, people walking around.




AsmodaisSin -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:39:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

I don't understand.  I hear all the time, "It's my body!  You can't tell me what to do with it!" when it comes to abortion, but the moment someone wants to educate their children on sex-ed without the school's involvement, it's neglect.  It's my kid.  Or potential kid.  O_o  


The issue isn't whether or not you want to educate your kids without the school's involvement. The issue is making sure that all children GET educated. It's great to say "I want to opt out and teach them myself"... but the point that some of the others have been making is "How, then, do we make sure that they ARE educated, and sufficiently educated to be able to understand if something goes wrong, or to make knowledgeable choices about how to respond if things seem... well... hinky?"

My solution to your quandry -- go ahead and teach your own kids BEFORE they're taught by the school system -- then, they'll have the parent's take FIRST... and let them know they can come to YOU with any questions about where what the school says and what -you- say differ... so YOU can explain why YOU taught them the other way first. That will not -only- assure a parent-sanctioned education for the kids, but it will teach them how to handle conflicting information from the world at large. Two excellent lessons for the price of one.

The fact is, you can opt out, but if you opt out, society has no way to assure that your children will receive accurate and effective education about what my parents used to euphemistically call "the facts of life". Making sure that children are accurately and age-appropriately educated about their own bodies and about the basics of reproduction and human relationships -IS- part of the fundamental basis of educating, IMO. It forms the foundation for healthy decisions throughout life regarding one's own body, and provides accurate information about the various experiences that human beings may have in relationship with one another -- and to me, that fits neatly into basic biology and social studies education. As I mentioned in my earlier post, students in -my- generation were GETTING this education without a lot of furor and rancor 44 YEARS ago!

Calla


Forgive me if I come off as disrespectful; that will not be my intention. 

I look at society as a whole today, and I am not impressed.  I do not feel the need to cowtow to what society wants of me or expects of me.  I have my own beliefs, my own way of doing things, and I will one day have my own way of parenting.  Daddy and i spoke of this last night.  I was very frustrated that so many people were being so "unreasonable."  The truth is, no matter how we try to spin it, we were all raised differently.  You're not going to change my mind and I won't change y'alls.  That's okay.  It gives me the chance to understand more of the world and how people feel.  It's a learning process, albeit an irritating one at times. 

I will more-than-likely opt out of the school's sexual education simply because I would like to be able to instill within my children some of my own beliefs.  They'll be safe enough from the abstinence only garble that I'm so constantly hearing about.  I will empower (to use the word used quite a bit in this thread) my children how I see fit.  That isn't to say that I have lost all faith in the education system.  If my father is still teaching, that means there are still good teachers in the world. 

BUT...like with religion, sexual education is something I feel is a family topic, and one I will cover with my own.




LaTigresse -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:41:04 AM)

The reality is that you might not have the option.




AsmodaisSin -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:42:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The reality is that you might not have the option.


Then they'll just stay home that day.  They're my children.  I will have an option to opt out. 




LaTigresse -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:43:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The reality is that you might not have the option.


Then they'll just stay home that day.  They're my children.  I will have an option to opt out. 



If it is a course that lasts a whole trimester, good luck with that.




AsmodaisSin -> RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? (7/15/2010 7:44:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The reality is that you might not have the option.


Then they'll just stay home that day.  They're my children.  I will have an option to opt out. 



If it is a course that lasts a whole trimester, good luck with that.



Then it's a good thing I don't live there. 




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