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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/16/2010 1:07:32 PM   
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Ya know....my experiences with individuals who constantly tout things like "I'm Pagan" is code for "I don't have my shit together and I get to blame society". And then crazy asses go off "teaching" their children their versions of "history" and what not. There's an undercurrent issues with societal authority and a standardized system because you feel wronged by it somehow. When in actuality it's likely you just need to go deal with your shit.

The other reality is that the majority of Texans don't give a shit what you do on your land so long as you're not hurting anyone who doesn't want to be hurt and is of the age and sound enough mind to consent. The problem here is that kids can't consent and what you're talking about is setting them up for failure.

How are you talking about setting your kids for failure? What higher education courses have you taken to prepare yourself to properly educate your potential children? What resources have you found to support their education?

You keep going on and on about how you would do things differently yet you can't point to a single thing that qualifies you as an educator or a willingness to find help in that area.

Trying to equate a woman's choice to a child's education is weak. And it's an emotional draw that's failing because there is no link. There is no comparison. It's only a draw that you can make up in your head without any significant strength of argument. So please stop bringing it up.

Good luck with under educating your potential children.

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Edited because I can't type or remember my education first thing out of bed.


I don't always agree with everything you write (in this case I do) but I'm always impressed by the intelligence and thought behind the posts.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/16/2010 1:22:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen
Ya know....my experiences with individuals who constantly tout things like "I'm Pagan" is code for "I don't have my shit together and I get to blame society". And then crazy asses go off "teaching" their children their versions of "history" and what not. There's an undercurrent issues with societal authority and a standardized system because you feel wronged by it somehow. When in actuality it's likely you just need to go deal with your shit.

The other reality is that the majority of Texans don't give a shit what you do on your land so long as you're not hurting anyone who doesn't want to be hurt and is of the age and sound enough mind to consent. The problem here is that kids can't consent and what you're talking about is setting them up for failure.

How are you talking about setting your kids for failure? What higher education courses have you taken to prepare yourself to properly educate your potential children? What resources have you found to support their education?

You keep going on and on about how you would do things differently yet you can't point to a single thing that qualifies you as an educator or a willingness to find help in that area.

Trying to equate a woman's choice to a child's education is weak. And it's an emotional draw that's failing because there is no link. There is no comparison. It's only a draw that you can make up in your head without any significant strength of argument. So please stop bringing it up.

Good luck with under educating your potential children.

boi

Edited because I can't type or remember my education first thing out of bed.


I don't always agree with everything you write (in this case I do) but I'm always impressed by the intelligence and thought behind the posts.


Especially the first paragraph.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/16/2010 8:17:21 PM   
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I'll respond to everyone I can. I'm kind of exhausted.  -Sighs.-
I have my shit together.  I've got a decent job, I'm going to school, and working towards working in the culinary field.  The only reason I brought up my religious views was because someone made some rather snide comment about being from Texas, being Christian and/or not supporting/believing in evolution.  I don't flaunt my religious beliefs.  Most wouldn't even have a clue unless they asked me or it was brought up in a discussion. 

Now that that's out of the way.  ^_^ 

After eleven years of being with my niece almost every step of the way, I can say that, with complete certainty, that I only know a fraction of what it takes to be a parent.  I spent hours reading books, going online and reading articles, etc.  I'm not ready to be a parent.  I know that I'm not.  I've made it this long without having kids for that specific reason.  What I do know is that when the time is right, I will love, cherish, and always do right by my child(ren).  I also know that I have two amazing parents who will be there at 3am in the morning to call.  I will have a support group.  Chances are, we might not even have kids. 

Someone pointed out that it was about my discomfort.  That's exactly what it is.  I do not feel that my child(ren)'s sexual exploration should be a classroom discussion.  I do not have such issues with them talking about homosexuality as I do about discussing oral and anal sex so young in a classroom so openly.  That should be a private discussion between child and parent.  I will always answer any and all questions.  I am comfortable in my sexuality and I want them to be comfortable in theirs.  I just don't think someone outside of the home is the right person to help on that journey.  I also think that, if these classes become mandatory, I don't want my child to have to suffer discomfort of ignorance in the classroom.  If indeed they MUST take these courses, I want to be there to give them all the information before hand.

Edit:  If I forgot someone, give me shout.  Again.  Exhausted.


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/16/2010 10:55:26 PM   
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The comprehensive plan under consideration in Helena would:

Teach fifth graders that “sexual intercourse includes, but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration;
Teach kindergarteners about “basic reproductive body parts (penis, vagina, breast, nipples, testicles, scrotum).”
Teach all grades that marriage is a “commitment by two people.”
Teach first graders that “human beings can love people of the same gender & people of another gender.”
Teach that sexual orientation refers to a “person’s physical and/or romantic attraction to an individual of the same and/or different gender.”
Teach sixth graders that sexual intercourse includes “using the penis, fingers, tongue or objects.”


Read more: http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/07/13/obama-supports-kindergarten-sex-ed/#ixzz0tgcmahKL

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I do not have such issues with them talking about homosexuality as I do about discussing oral and anal sex so young in a classroom so openly.


Um.. where does it say this is what is being taught to kindergartners?

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 3:23:35 AM   
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OK, I have removed many posts on this thread for personal attacks, quoting pulled posts, and being off topic. If your post disappeared, it was one of the three.
Please remain ON topic and refrain from personal attacks on others. For those who are a little dense, that includes blanket insults on those from a particular state.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 6:42:23 AM   
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I am not dense.....that aside,I apologise And would like to point out I was just kidding ..sort of

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 7:41:08 AM   
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The comprehensive plan under consideration in Helena would:

Teach fifth graders that “sexual intercourse includes, but is not limited to vaginal, oral, or anal penetration;
Teach kindergarteners about “basic reproductive body parts (penis, vagina, breast, nipples, testicles, scrotum).”
Teach all grades that marriage is a “commitment by two people.”
Teach first graders that “human beings can love people of the same gender & people of another gender.”
Teach that sexual orientation refers to a “person’s physical and/or romantic attraction to an individual of the same and/or different gender.”
Teach sixth graders that sexual intercourse includes “using the penis, fingers, tongue or objects.”


Read more: http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/07/13/obama-supports-kindergarten-sex-ed/#ixzz0tgcmahKL

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I do not have such issues with them talking about homosexuality as I do about discussing oral and anal sex so young in a classroom so openly.


Um.. where does it say this is what is being taught to kindergartners?


It was also on the "news" with one of the members supporting the sexual education program. 


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 9:50:18 AM   
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Thats not what i asked. You claimed kindergartners would be taught about anal and oral sex. I asked where did you learn that from, because from the article here, and the added links i have posted, as well as those added from others, that was never once a proposal in early grades.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 10:13:58 AM   
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And I still do not get why it would be bad if they were taught about it. But again, cultural differences, I think.

Now, what is amusing is all this back and forth after the Op did an hit and run, posting a link and disappearing.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/17/2010 7:16:53 PM   
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Thats not what i asked. You claimed kindergartners would be taught about anal and oral sex. I asked where did you learn that from, because from the article here, and the added links i have posted, as well as those added from others, that was never once a proposal in early grades.


They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 5:42:19 AM   
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Thats not what i asked. You claimed kindergartners would be taught about anal and oral sex. I asked where did you learn that from, because from the article here, and the added links i have posted, as well as those added from others, that was never once a proposal in early grades.


They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 

now wait....i may be wrong but in no way did i get the impression they are planning to teach technique to kindergartners/first graders. What i read was more geared toward acceptance of all types of orientations.

Edited to add...as far as teaching anal/oral sex in the fifth grade....i was well aware of "what went where" when i was that age...and i attended a strict catholic school and had a mother who did her damnedest to convince me i was conceived via an Immaculate Conception.


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 5:52:57 AM   
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After eleven years of being with my niece almost every step of the way, I can say that, with complete certainty, that I only know a fraction of what it takes to be a parent.
Lemme tell you a secret...i have been a mom for awhile now and i can tell you if you know a "fraction" of parenting skills, you are ahead of me!

None of us are ever prepared for parenting, no matter how many books we read/lectures we attend. It is a hands-on learning process for each of us.

And just when you think you have seeeeen it all, the lil shits will freakin' blindside you!


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 6:09:16 AM   
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Thats not what i asked. You claimed kindergartners would be taught about anal and oral sex. I asked where did you learn that from, because from the article here, and the added links i have posted, as well as those added from others, that was never once a proposal in early grades.


They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 



5th grade... 11 years old approximately.

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•Among adolescents ages 15 to 17 who had engaged in sexual intercourse, 11 percent reported having first had intercourse at 12 or 13, 44 percent at 14 or 15, and 37 percent at 16 or 17


http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Truth_About/

I dunno, seems age appropriate to me.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 6:27:57 AM   
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They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 



Are you really this naive?

My first sexual experiences started in first grade and by the fifth grade oral sex was old news.

And I don't think I am unique because I wasn't doing it alone.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 6:32:46 AM   
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My first sexual experiences started in first grade and by the fifth grade oral sex was old news.
Please sends current pics!!!!
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And I don't think I am unique because I wasn't doing it alone.

Oh.....never mind.


Tease!!!

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 10:14:38 AM   
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 RML....if oral sex has become old news.....she isn't doing it right.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 10:19:19 AM   
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They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 



Are you really this naive?

My first sexual experiences started in first grade and by the fifth grade oral sex was old news.

And I don't think I am unique because I wasn't doing it alone.



prima facie evidence that exposure to sex too young causes permanent damage. Send RML's posts to Obama, he may rethink his position on sex ed for K's.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 10:42:53 AM   
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They'll be discussing homosexuality in first grade and anal and oral sex in fifth. 



Are you really this naive?

My first sexual experiences started in first grade and by the fifth grade oral sex was old news.

And I don't think I am unique because I wasn't doing it alone.



As I stated, I don't think it's appropriate. 

AND...I didn't lose my virginity until I was 18 and my first real sexual encounter was at almost sixteen.  Maybe you're not unique, but I would like to try to teach my child that that kind of behavior isn't necessary until at least sixteen.  I'll be there to guide them along though, if that changes. 


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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 10:51:38 AM   
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What we are trying to say is that a child's friends are there way before a parent is. By the age of 16, 55% of those who had sex at an early age already had it. Its akin to closing the barn door after the horse it out.

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RE: Obama supports sex ed for kindergartners........wtf? - 7/18/2010 10:52:28 AM   
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What we are trying to say is that a child's friends are there way before a parent is. By the age of 16, 55% of those who had sex at an early age already had it. Its akin to closing the barn door after the horse it out.


I don't understand what the big deal is.  If a parent feels discussing anal sex with their ten-year-old is inappropriate, shouldn't they have a say in that? 


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