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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:25:58 PM   
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Yet a group looking after the interests of black people is somehow not also racist...please explain how this can be.


Yes, figured that was where you were going. So, I am assuming that you think any organization that bases itself on color/creed/nationality is somehow painted in a bad light. Then every advocacy group in the world falls into this category. If you feel you need to be that much of a purest so be it. You don't see the need to take into consideration the relative amounts of power each group may or may not have. I see that. So I am assuming you are writing your MP daily telling him to retake Nunavit since it is clearly a Racist Province.


No, it doesnt follow that every advocacy group falls into that category.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:28:19 PM   
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So how do separate them out?

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:29:40 PM   
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So how do separate them out?


Whether they are based on race/ethnicity, obviously.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:34:46 PM   
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So the Sons of Norway is a racist organization?   As would be the Maids of Athena, the society of Hispanic Professional Engineers, and so on.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:36:10 PM   
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you people all amaze me you say the tea party are the racist but in case you did not notice its the naacp which you have to be black to belong to but that is ok. there is a miss black america contest and all black colleges. yet if you had the naawp where you had to be white to belong to and a miss white america contest and an all white college oh and not to mention BET black entermainment tv but what if you had a WET we would be the ones called racist

\Where did the NAACP come from, what was the reason for it?
The fact that it is even needed is despicable in this day and age
It obviously is tho and that says so much more needs to be done, plus a couple of generations of ignorance done away with




Where it came from, reason for it....nonsense. Racist is racist. If you want to say history makes it ok to be racist, fine, but call it what it is.
When an incompetent buffoon like Obama is President BECAUSE he is black, it is far from obvious its needed.


Exactly.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:38:18 PM   
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Not at all exactly, Obama is the president, not because he's black, but because he garnered enough votes in the electoral college to be elected president, same as everybody else (with the exceptions of a few deaths and one tricky dicky).

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 12:40:32 PM   
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Yes, figured that was where you were going. So, I am assuming that you think any organization that bases itself on color/creed/nationality is somehow painted in a bad light. Then every advocacy group in the world falls into this category. If you feel you need to be that much of a purest so be it. You don't see the need to take into consideration the relative amounts of power each group may or may not have. I see that. So I am assuming you are writing your MP daily telling him to retake Nunavit since it is clearly a Racist Province.
Any group that bases itself on race is racist, plain and simple, and yes many advocacy groups do fall into that category. And you are wrong I DO take into consideration the relative amounts of power each group has (or hasn't). I never said that the NAACP was a bad organization, or that it didn't do a huge amount of good. It is a good and needed advocacy group, but it is also racist...it is an advocacy group that discriminates on the basis of race...it can't be made more simple than that.

There are times when a racist organization or law is required...like Nunavut...it was silly to pretend that whites were anything but a super minority in that part of Canada, so why not let the locals run their own territory (it's not a province yet), and like affirmative action...it is a racially discriminatory policy that is 100% essential, as is the NAACP...however they are all racist, and racist does not always equal bad or wrong...sometimes it is both good and right, it depends on those power levels and the history involved. That is why we don't have an equivalent to the NAACP here in Canada, not because racist bigots don't exist, but because the relative power balances are not so skewed and there is little to no history of institutionalized racial bigotry...up here we abuse our natives more...thus the need for the AFN & Nunavut up here.


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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 1:08:51 PM   
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That is why we don't have an equivalent to the NAACP here in Canada, not because racist bigots don't exist, but because the relative power balances are not so skewed and there is little to no history of institutionalized racial bigotry...up here we abuse our natives more...thus the need for the AFN & Nunavut up here.

That may have been true for most of your history simply based on the lack of minorities. However, there is no way in modern Canada can you say there is no institutionalized bigotry. You mentioned your abuse of natives which goes on still to this day as well as clear bias against people from India/Pakistan. The BQ is nothing if not bigoted in nature.....you've got your own set of problems there my friend.
 

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 1:24:24 PM   
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The BQ/PQ are definitely bigots, they are a thorn in our sides to be sure. By institutionalized bigotry I was referring the slavery/Jim Crow level of racism, Canadian racism as a rule has a gentler, more hidden face, the oppression was never as overt or as blatant. The exception to that is the natives, for the most we treated them very badly and we had our anti-Chinese poll taxes and we incarcerated our Japanese as well. I did not mean to imply that we were blameless, that is why I brought up our treatment of the first nations, however we are making progress on that front...Nunavut is a good example, as are the slowly grinding treaty negotiations in BC.

I give a lot of the credit for the progress we have made to the policy of multiculturalism, something the right wingers here love to bitch about as well, but the people who grew up under the influence of it are far more accepting of people of different races & creeds than those who went before, and I only foresee the trend continuing. Racism cannot be "wiped out" it has to be chipped away over time through education and the fostering of an inclusive society by all levels of government...it takes a concerted plan of action over decades to make change, and I am proud that Canada is making progress on that front.

Rant over

BTW its a pleasure to discuss things Canadian with somebody who knows so much about us...


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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 1:54:30 PM   
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Do you think it is any less staunch that it is so quiet? I think it is very thick. For instance I can't imagine you having a PM that wasn't "regular" canadian(i know you know what that means) or from Quebec. Just not going to happen is it? And minorities might get a few portfolios in the Gov't but Queens Park is pretty much still set up for the Majorities. I think the government has done a great job of trying to integrate the population but there does seem to be some definite segregation going on. Is it just human nature?

I am not pounding on Canada  by any stretch. Its just that I find that many times you lot seem to like to smile down at us cause we are all yelling and screaming and punching ......thinking "Ha, barbarians, we have none of those problems". When obviously they are there.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 2:35:24 PM   
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I don't know how staunch it is, I don't see it in my daily life, granted I am a old white fuck, but I am most assuredly not part of the power structure. I live in a racially and linguistically diverse part of the city...the poor section to be precise. Around here there really doesn't seem to be much overt racism, I see teens and younger of every colour and background playing and hanging out together...granted the adults tend to be more tribal, that is what I meant by progress, the younger generation is just a little more colour blind than the previous one, and the next will, in my opinion, be even more so.

As to the Gvt...I don't know about electing a minority, I would like to think it wouldn't be a big deal, but you do have a point about the "regular" Canadian thing...top level politics is still pretty much a white guys club in Canada, but we have more and more minorities in Cabinet (even with the righties in charge), though a Canadian Minister doesn't really have a lot of power. Its a little depressing when you think about it.


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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:41:23 PM   
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And they too resented the NAACP and everything it stood for, so decided murder and promoting hate towards the race was the best route to go there.


Sort of a spiritual antecedent to the New Black Panther Part?

Oh well. At least Holder would probably prosecute the Klan.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:43:03 PM   
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Ever hear of white trash, hillbilly?


Of course. We have lots of them, WV being a blue state and all.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:46:17 PM   
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if you consider affirmative action to be white liberal guilt, you just advocated the NAACP as non-racist. dont know if that was your intent or not. but in any event, good job.


I'm sure most of the tiny minority of members of the prima facie racist NAALCP who are white are consumed with white liberal guilt.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:49:05 PM   
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says a white conservative denier
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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:54:21 PM   
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Here's a post from a drummers' group I read, rec.music.makers.percussion:
"I am getting back to my black side
I wish to integrate NEGRO music into my JAZZ
Not the Nigger stuff you hear today
but real Sambo stuff
Not african beats
but good ol' days down south slaver beats
any info "

C'mon, you rightard Klanners, tell me that racism is dead.


The language is obviously provocative but I get what the guy's trying to say...it takes on two totally different meanings depending on if the guy who wrote it was black or not.


When I read "my black side" I figured the guy was mixed race/black.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:56:25 PM   
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And my favorite... the Congressional Black Caucus.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 3:57:33 PM   
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Denier? Of what, exactly?

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 4:12:19 PM   
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Denier? Of what, exactly?

reality.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/16/2010 4:34:17 PM   
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Exactly! thankyou Mr Ken, I thought I had pointed it out before to him, maybe I deleted it..either way, Thanks

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