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Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 2:40:22 AM   
MrBukani


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Status: offline 		This thread is posted for all to delve in the D/s dynamics

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.
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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 2:55:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		i suppose next on the list is that 'in sex; the person on top is the one doing all the work for the pleasure of whoever is on the bottom'.

physical activity is not synonymous with servitude, nor is pleasure.


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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:16:33 AM   
MrBukani


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Status: offline 		when you say you love humiliation you can actually not be humiliated nor degraded because you love it.
Most masters work regular jobs for bosses and so they slave for another master.
Dont be caught up in what words mean, but the dynamics of actions.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:23:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		MrBukani,

Painslut..... has a Sadist...... Whom is Serving whom

Master is the CEO. See the subs work and do what is expected of them and in doing so the keep the company moving, but the CEO Orchestrates it.

I think you may think all Tops are Service Tops.... Not True.

I Flog and Paddle my slave, and she likes it, and so do I, Trust me.... she has earned it, and if she hasn't trust me I think I get just as much if not more out of it for doing so.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:23:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...



To be clear, my Sir is a sadist... when he hits me his pleasure comes long before mine.

He is doing a lot of hard work, yes, but just how much of a walk in the park is it to take a good beating?

And the ultimate result... at the point where the pain is a really bad pain, I am sobbing, and he carries on, and on.... I'm not enjoying it, but you can guarantee he is.

It may be the case that you are being controlled by your slave, but please don't assume it is the same for everyone.

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Most masters work regular jobs for bosses and so they slave for another master.
Dont be caught up in what words mean, but the dynamics of actions.


Being employed by someone does not mean you are their slave, in words or actions.  A job is a role you are paid to do... does this mean we are all prostitutes too?

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:30:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		each serves the relationship in their own unique way.  if the submissive didnt submit to the Dominant energy there would be no dynamic.  you make it sound as if the Dominant is slaving away entirely for the pleasure of the submissive or slave - thats bunkum - if the Dominant isnt getting something from the exchange the Dominant wouldnt be there.

in my relationship i have given myself to Him to do with as He wishes, because i trust Him completely not to abuse my trust - in that i have given him the freedom to be Himself and express His dominant side freely.  i think youll find that most Ds and Ms relationships swivel pretty much that way.  He chooses what He wants to do, but of course, to some extent or another He is considering my needs also, or it would become a one-sided situation that would eventually fail.  Just becasuse He wishes to ensure that my needs are met doesnt mean He is serving me, He is serving 'us', as am I. 

its a two way street.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:30:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's the idea of serving one another that juxtaposes serving the relationship as a whole. I believe the latter is an outgrowth of the former. In my opinion we're mutual contributors in the partnership. No big 'I' or little 'you' but a collective 'we' instead.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:31:11 AM   
hopelesslyInvo


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just because person is not embarrassed by a particular form of humiliation doesn't mean they can't appreciate the overwhelming sensation of embarrassment by a different course of action.

i'm afraid you're the one getting caught up in words here.

liking humiliation doesn't mean you enjoy the degradation itself.  being a painslut doesn't mean you feel pleasure instead of pain, it means you find pleasure in the pain; but it's pain none the less, and being able to endure it is certainly more taxing that dealing it out.

i've always scoffed at the word 'master' when used for just about anything else other than describing proficiency anyway, so we can agree in some part, but your ideology of one master serving another eventually comes full circle.  everyone's a master, no one is a master; everyone serves themselves in the end.  they put in their 40 hours for remuneration and are compensated for it afterward.

you're thinking though, that's always a rare sight to see in newcomers~

what others did you have?

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:38:34 AM   
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In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.

New concept for you perhaps but, in most successful D/s and M/s relationships I have known, everyone involved serves the relationship first.


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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:45:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

when you say you love humiliation you can actually not be humiliated nor degraded because you love it.
Most masters work regular jobs for bosses and so they slave for another master.
Dont be caught up in what words mean, but the dynamics of actions.


are you then of the school that thinks the sub or slave is entirely there for the pleasure of the Dominant - you see in many ways that is correct, but its yet another one of the parrallel world situations.  the propaganda gets fizzled by the process of chinese whispers and the difficulty in conveying a premis on the net when in real life its entirely different.

the sub is there for their Dominants pleasure, that is my entire premis in fact - but the codicil to that is this:  for the Dominant to derive pleasure from his sub he really needs to ensure that his sub is fully engaged and happy, for the sub to be fully engaged and happy the Dominant needs to ensure the subs needs are met too, along the way, whatever those needs might be and they may only be a kiss and cuddle and a trip to disneyland.

so to humiliation.  not something im actively into, though being flipped over His knee is humiliating for sure) - if youre into being humiliated its pretty certain that youre Dominant is also - the pleasure the Dominant gets from humiliating his sub is of equal value to him as it is his sub.  they are both satisfying that need at the same time - and from what i can make out, those who do enjoy this element are very capable of getting to some pretty intense places with it.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:48:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

This thread is posted for all to delve in the D/s dynamics

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.



Perhaps you're assuming 'serve' and acquiring pleasure are one and the same.

Both parties bring something to the relationship......granted.....the relationship has to be a win-win in order to survive...granted.....

The dominant partner is leading.....holds authority....and the relationship dynamics will unravel from that cornerstone of the relationship.

I suppose you could argue that both partners serve the relationship based upon that which they bring to it. But then 'the relationship' is an abstract notion that doesn't amount to a great deal in terms of meaning...so I personally would attempt to explain the dynamics based upon interaction.

And....basically....one partner is serving the other in the sense that the submissive partner bends to the dominant partner's will.......first and foremost.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:48:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

This thread is posted for all to delve in the D/s dynamics

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.


So you're argueing work dynamics...?

I may be the one swinging the flogger or getting obsessive/compulsive about the ropes and knots being tied just right etc, but the one thing I absolutely am not doing is *work*!

The "painslut" is getting what she wants and I'm getting what I want from her. This is an example of a dynamic called Power Exchange - perhaps you've heard of it?

It's only work for the "dom" if he's otherwise not getting anything pleasurable out of it. Kinda sounds like you....
Hmmmm, wonder if Da Vinci thought of it as just more work when he painted Mona....?

Focus.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:52:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.

New concept for you perhaps but, in most successful D/s and M/s relationships I have known, everyone involved serves the relationship first.



Thank you, I do believe in a relationship where there is true love involved this is the case. This was the answer I was lookin for.

I am not saying all tops are service tops.

And in the case of work you might say you dont slave for your boss but that is interpetation. Most people dont like their jobs and would rather do something else. For instance you can be a master at home but at work you just follow orders. You come home and buy your slave a new catsuit. A pimp whores out his pro's and they work for him. Now who is the greater master in this equasion?

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 3:53:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

This thread is posted for all to delve in the D/s dynamics

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.


So you're argueing work dynamics...?

I may be the one swinging the flogger or getting obsessive/compulsive about the ropes and knots being tied just right etc, but the one thing I absolutely am not doing is *work*!

The "painslut" is getting what she wants and I'm getting what I want from her. This is an example of a dynamic called Power Exchange - perhaps you've heard of it?

It's only work for the "dom" if he's otherwise not getting anything pleasurable out of it. Kinda sounds like you....
Hmmmm, wonder if Da Vinci thought of it as just more work when he painted Mona....?

Focus.


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now get to work dammit and serve that slave of youres - STAT!! -

- we subs just cant get the staff these days, i dunno, you want youre bum spanked and where are they when you need them???? its a disgrace!

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So all I have to do in order to serve him, is to work out exactly how improbable he is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give him a fresh cup of really hot tea ... and turn him on!

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:05:49 AM   
MrBukani


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

This thread is posted for all to delve in the D/s dynamics

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...
I have more to say about this but I first would like to see some reactions.


So you're argueing work dynamics...?

I may be the one swinging the flogger or getting obsessive/compulsive about the ropes and knots being tied just right etc, but the one thing I absolutely am not doing is *work*!

The "painslut" is getting what she wants and I'm getting what I want from her. This is an example of a dynamic called Power Exchange - perhaps you've heard of it?

It's only work for the "dom" if he's otherwise not getting anything pleasurable out of it. Kinda sounds like you....
Hmmmm, wonder if Da Vinci thought of it as just more work when he painted Mona....?

Focus.
I am viewing this from the point more and more people want the 24/7 lifestyle. You can call it a hobby you can call it work. I am not saying I dont enjoy my work. My work is always a work of art and perfection. Art is work also. Again dont be caught by one word, but the dynamics of interactions in a complete philosophy. Of course I know power exchange and I am not here to offend anyone. I just believe many people are superficial in their perspective of the absolute truth.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:18:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all your replies I enjoyed and respect all of them.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:22:13 AM   
ranja


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Status: offline 		Yes i agree totally, just other sides of the coin
different likes and dislikes
He rather leads and i rather follow
but we serve eachother just as much
He feels it as doing what He likes including pleasuring me
and i feel it like getting what i want by pleasuring Him
He likes giving pain, but only so much ... i like taking it, but only so much

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:26:20 AM   
MrBukani


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ORIGINAL: subsfaith

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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

In a way I believe that the master or mistress actually serves the slave.
Take for instance a painslut. Who is doing all the work?
Exactly the D works for the slaves pleasure...



To be clear, my Sir is a sadist... when he hits me his pleasure comes long before mine.

He is doing a lot of hard work, yes, but just how much of a walk in the park is it to take a good beating?

And the ultimate result... at the point where the pain is a really bad pain, I am sobbing, and he carries on, and on.... I'm not enjoying it, but you can guarantee he is.

It may be the case that you are being controlled by your slave, but please don't assume it is the same for everyone.

I just wonder if you don't enjoy the pain in any way, what it is that makes you accept it. I think you enjoy not the pain but the knowledge of joy it gives your master. So in a way you do enjoy it.
I would never assume it is the same for everyone. I am just exploring your views on the matter on how people percieve things.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:29:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

And in the case of work you might say you dont slave for your boss but that is interpetation.


It comes down to how you look at it. I see it as more of a "trade" than slaving for someone. I trade my time, skills and services for a paycheck. I'm earning a living, not "slaving".

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Most people dont like their jobs and would rather do something else. For instance you can be a master at home but at work you just follow orders. You come home and buy your slave a new catsuit. A pimp whores out his pro's and they work for him. Now who is the greater master in this equasion?


The one who has found a way to earn an honest living, and not the one who is looking over his shoulder because he's breaking the law by exploiting desperate females. How much of a master is the pimp going to feel like when he's behind bars, and someone bigger and stronger bends him over his bunk and fucks him up the ass?

No one gets a free ride in life. We're all working/serving/giving. There's no such person or "master" (in any context of the word) who sits back just drawing whatever he wants without having to put something into it; the world doesn't spin like that.

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RE: Master is Servant - 7/17/2010 4:41:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		In holland prostitution is legal. So its just where you live to make such an example. Its kinda strange that it is honorable to be a soldier and kill for a living and it is dishonorable( this is percieved by many) to have sex for a living. 

Most people slave/work their lives away to acquire more material things to their endless pitifull uncreative wants and so rape the soil they live on. To me thats like shitting in your own kitchen. But I guess that another topic

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