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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/17/2010 9:56:34 PM   
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source? cnn is calling you mistaken



Did a quick search of that site and neither "BMI" or "obesity" and neither is on that page, so your source seems not to confirm the story...sorry

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/17/2010 9:58:11 PM   
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I know nothing about CNS...is it a reputable site or not?

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/17/2010 10:12:11 PM   
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I know nothing about CNS...is it a reputable site or not?


As I said, it was on CNN and Fox. I have no clue about CNS.

Here is the Regulation that specificies record keeping for EHRS certification.

EHRS regs

page 61 shows the requirement for recording and display of BMI and other vital signs.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/17/2010 10:20:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Willbe...it does indeed state that the BMI will be automatically calculated, but since the BMI is calculated from height & weight info that doesn't seem like that much of an intrusion since those two are basic health statistics and having the BMI automatically calculated just saves the medicos some time. I am not so sure I am in favour of a centralised health record database just on security issues, but in the end I don't really care who knows I am schizophrenic...my family knows, my employer knows and everybody who was on here a year ago knows (and well everybody who joined since that thread now knows as well), but I can see some problems with it especially in the US where you have for profit health insurance...if they ever got hold of your info it could be a very rough time for you. On the other hand I can also see what a blessing it would be for the medical community.

I asked about CNS because it seems to be the original source of the story...the facts as presented here seems to make them a credible source.


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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/17/2010 10:52:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well shit, as Arpig said, if they're calculated from height and weight, the friggin DMV can do it. You know, that silly thing in your wallet that has your height, weight, name, age, eye and hair colour and says "You can drive!"?

Fuck, go back into the coop, chicken little, so more pieces of the sky don't fall on your head.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 8:18:39 AM   
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I know nothing about CNS...is it a reputable site or not?


As I said, it was on CNN and Fox. I have no clue about CNS.

Here is the Regulation that specificies record keeping for EHRS certification.

EHRS regs

page 61 shows the requirement for recording and display of BMI and other vital signs.


This is me eating crow, thankyou Willbe...I found the section , and I apologise to both you and Hunk.

But talk about putting a spin on it, and making it as scary and outrageous is bloody stupid and I still do not  see CNS as a decent source for GOOD information. Scaremongering is effective tho so it seems judging by the comments I read yesterday.
I did find a small section at Fox too but had to go out before I could respond

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 10:27:08 AM   
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Next thing ya know they'll demand to know if we do ass-to-mouth.


I assure you that my motives are unrelated to the insurance debate!

But, do you do ass to mouth?

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 11:04:44 AM   
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You go back three months later and,.....there's no more fat people! They're all tanned, muscular in good shape, no more "diabetes", "poor circulation" and a host of other Sara Lee induced "diseases" and they're all off of social security "disability!"
Pa Hunk, I think you're onto something!
I'm off to the gym! I don't want to be snared in one of those "Fat Boy round-ups!"

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 2:32:33 PM   
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07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesity Rating By 2014

what a crock!!!!   How intrusive.



The only crock is how much nonsense you believe on a daily basis.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 2:35:33 PM   
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Oh boy, another "fat" thread!


If you think that the intrusion into your personal life under the guise of containing government health care costs will stop with BMI, think again.


If you think this article has any credibility I'll buy you a  lifetime subscription to PrisonPlanet.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 2:45:50 PM   
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You know what's crazy about this news (and all the hysteria's coming up on the conspiracy sites so far) is that EHRs were mandated back in 2008, and that would include your height and weight already.  I'm more pissed off about how it (BMI) was kind of bogus to begin with.

Another crazy thing is how this blowup happened within the last 24 hours.  Site after site has it, almost all of them referencing CNS (that's Bozell's operation), or plagiarizing CNS.  They use the same damn words.  It really is an echo chamber out there.



It's the conservative outrage of the week.

Get used to it, we have a long way to go.

But I do agree about BMI. 

It's total nonsense because it does not factor in muscle mass.

You can have someone with a very low body fat content that would be considered obese under the index.

If you were to take every professional athlete the vast majority would be categorized as obese based on the BMI's limited standards.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 2:50:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rulemylife, this could be a good thing!
The ICE Officers park in back of the "All you can eat" Chinese buffets and grab the fatties comming out and put them to work in the fields ejecting the illegals who get deported and in a few months the fatties are thin and don't need a bunch of expensive medications and Dr's visits every few weeks and who's diabetes just dissapears all by itself and Obama's healthcare reform is a success with plumeting costs, less fat people and less illegal aliens!
Now that's a win, win, win!
If Obama wants people's BMI figures you *know* he's going to do something with those figures! He can't have a bunch of fatties in the system who cost four or five times as much money to treat because they can't stay away from the twinkies sucking down all that money and making Him and his healthcare program "look bad" now can He?

Just got back from the gym and I'm fucking Pumped!
Did 50 minutes on the treadmill and burned up 396 calories and used a few weight machines. Ice won't be grabbing me outside the "All you can eat" Chinese Buffet!

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 3:38:29 PM   
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07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesity Rating By 2014

what a crock!!!!   How intrusive.



As we can all tell, I am a truck driver. The government is trying to get it fully implemented that if a truck driver is over 33% BMI, now mind you, this includes those who work out & are in excellent shape, but you're over 33% BMI, you have to go get a sleep study done, why? Because you must have sleep apnea with a 34% or above, right? My BMI is approximately 43% (yes, I know I need to lose weight), and when this is implemented I will have to go to a sleep study to prove that I do NOT have sleep apnea.
Mind you, a 42 year old man who is 6' 0" and weighs 250 is 33.9% BMI & considered Obese and has to do a sleep study to prove he doesn't have sleep apnea.
A 42 year old female who is 5' 5" and weighs 204 is 33.9% BMI & considered Obese, and also has to do a sleep study to prove she doesn't have sleep apnea.
So right there, if that is implemented prior to 2014, that will take care of over 3 million Americans.
I too feel it's invasive & unfair, but if I want to continue my career I have to essentially allow the government to do what they want & implement what rules they want at MY COST, out of MY POCKET.
I have been told a sleep study test costs anywhere from $2500 - $5000, I don't have that kind of money, but when the rule is put in place I better come up with it pretty quick or say goodbye to my career.
So yes hunky, I can relate to what you're saying about the invasiveness


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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 3:50:51 PM   
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Wow.  that would be over regulation.  I think they have to change the way obese is measured.  Most people in my area would be obese.  I am full weight- skinny compared to others here- but my BMI would likely be trouble for this regulation.

Any time there are extra regulations- someone has to pay for all that.  

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sleep studies are actually not that costly, LadiTruck. I think it's absurd, though. I have a sleep disorder that I had when I was thin, I have a lot of deformity in my throat! I could lose a hundred pounds and it would still be there. I know folks who weigh 400 pounds with no sleep issues at all.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:04:17 PM   
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Hello ladyTruck-

Wow.  that would be over regulation.  I think they have to change the way obese is measured.  Most people in my area would be obese.  I am full weight- skinny compared to others here- but my BMI would likely be trouble for this regulation.

Any time there are extra regulations- someone has to pay for all that.  



You're right hunky, someone has to pay for all that, and that would be those of us that have to get the testing done. In the trucking industry there is no such thing as over regulation according to them.
Lets put it this way, today is my birthday (I felt it cheesy to make my own post saying it was my birthday LOL), yes I'm an old hag today of 42 LOL, I had to renew my license, if I want to keep my hazardous material endorsement I have to pay $100 (give or take a few bucks) to get my fingerprints done and a backround check done to prove that I'm not a terrorist, but you, knowing nothing about trucks (this is an assumption on my part) see's me park my truck with a trailer full of explosives, run in to use the bathroom, you get up in my truck after figuring out which of the 7 key cuts opens my door (yes, Kenworth only has 7 key cuts for all the trucks out there), takes off in my truck & blows up Pittsburgh or Philly. But gee hunky, you didn't pay the $100 to have your backround check done, & yet you drove my truck. So essentially I have to prove that I have no felonies, I haven't murdered anyone, so on & so forth just so I can make an extra .02 cents per mile.
So yes hunky when it comes to regulations & safety, the trucking industry has too many regulations & have it to the point that we are now asking, when is too many safety regulations TOO SAFE? Yes, there can be overkill when it comes to safety


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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:13:17 PM   
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07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesity Rating By 2014

what a crock!!!!   How intrusive.



As we can all tell, I am a truck driver. The government is trying to get it fully implemented that if a truck driver is over 33% BMI, now mind you, this includes those who work out & are in excellent shape, but you're over 33% BMI, you have to go get a sleep study done, why? Because you must have sleep apnea with a 34% or above, right? My BMI is approximately 43% (yes, I know I need to lose weight), and when this is implemented I will have to go to a sleep study to prove that I do NOT have sleep apnea.
Mind you, a 42 year old man who is 6' 0" and weighs 250 is 33.9% BMI & considered Obese and has to do a sleep study to prove he doesn't have sleep apnea.
A 42 year old female who is 5' 5" and weighs 204 is 33.9% BMI & considered Obese, and also has to do a sleep study to prove she doesn't have sleep apnea.
So right there, if that is implemented prior to 2014, that will take care of over 3 million Americans.
I too feel it's invasive & unfair, but if I want to continue my career I have to essentially allow the government to do what they want & implement what rules they want at MY COST, out of MY POCKET.
I have been told a sleep study test costs anywhere from $2500 - $5000, I don't have that kind of money, but when the rule is put in place I better come up with it pretty quick or say goodbye to my career.
So yes hunky, I can relate to what you're saying about the invasiveness



It does seem invasive and unfair doesn't it... ?

As you know the limit for alcohol if you are a truck driver is pretty much 0%.
Whether you like it or not that is the way it is.

Studies have shown that driving while tired is every bit as or even more dangerous as driving under the influence of alcohol.

The problem is that if someone has sleep apnea, they literally awaken hundreds of times a night and their sleep is not restful. This means during the day they are always tired and as it has been the norm for many years may not even be aware of it.

Perhaps a fairer solution would for every truck driver to have to undergo a sleep study periodically.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:18:23 PM   
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So yes hunky when it comes to regulations & safety, the trucking industry has too many regulations & have it to the point that we are now asking, when is too many safety regulations TOO SAFE? Yes, there can be overkill when it comes to safety


Which safety regulations do you feel should be abandoned?

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:35:21 PM   
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Sleep studies are actually not that costly...



Yes they are.

I have had friends and relatives diagnosed with sleep apnea.

The initial test costs at least $2,500, and that was several years ago.

And the "cure" is this oxygen machine you have to wear at night which I have no idea of the cost of but it doesn't look cheap.

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RE: 07-16-2010: Government Wants Your Individual Obesit... - 7/18/2010 4:49:51 PM   
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This tractor cost deep into six figures and you do not invest in a decent lock??? why?
You do not have a cell phone or a quarter to call the cops and say your truck full of explosives has been stolen????


takes off in my truck & blows up Pittsburgh or Philly. But gee hunky, you didn't pay the $100 to have your backround check done, & yet you drove my truck. So essentially I have to prove that I have no felonies, I haven't murdered anyone, so on & so forth just so I can make an extra .02 cents per mile.

If having a hazmat license only makes you ten or twelve dollars a day extra why do you have it?

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