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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:31:17 PM

Aynne88

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Okay, how about this:

A man and woman are at a party. The woman isn't strong, she is however drunk; she begins saying some nasty things to another guest. The man tries once, twice to get her to stop, but she doesn't. Finally, he tells her to "sit down, and be quiet". Is that better, is it the "shut up" that is offensive? Surely not the fact that he's telling her what to do, is.

Just thinking out loud here.

Sure, but what about the drunken asswipe man that is doing the same thing. I am just saying that men that are afraid of strong women are pathetic. Nothing to do with drunken people at parties....

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:31:30 PM

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"Shit up".... sounds like Tub Girl.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:33:02 PM

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Two girls one cup? Pussy!! lol.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:33:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Level

Okay, how about this:

A man and woman are at a party. The woman isn't strong, she is however drunk; she begins saying some nasty things to another guest. The man tries once, twice to get her to stop, but she doesn't. Finally, he tells her to "sit down, and be quiet". Is that better, is it the "shut up" that is offensive? Surely not the fact that he's telling her what to do, is.

Just thinking out loud here.

Sure, but what about the drunken asswipe man that is doing the same thing. I am just saying that men that are afraid of strong women are pathetic. Nothing to do with drunken people at parties....

Then asswipe guy needs to sit down and shut up, too.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:35:44 PM

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I think people need to clarify what they mean by equal because men and women aren't equal. They aren't the same, they are no where near being the same. NOT being equal doesn't equate as many seem to see it as less than, it simply means men and women are different.

To me, i would have a hard time with a Man who sees me as a woman as his equal because it tells me he is so into political correctness that he fails to celebrate the differences of us and our dynamic. Women should not be that insecure that they need to be the "equal" of men. And men shouldn't be that politically correct that they see women as equal.

Which is why to me, the concept of what people are defining as equal means because for me, it flabbergasts me when a woman celebrates her man seeing her as equal, because to me that is the worst insult a Man can give a woman.

The connotation i get from threads like this is the concept of NOT equal means less than instead of simply different.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:38:36 PM

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n/m. I have to go give my equal man a blowjob.

. Rock on with this fucking argument, especially you women that are single. Yay. Oh and stomp.

Yeah I know, I'm a bitch.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:39:19 PM

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"Shit up".... sounds like Tub Girl.

I sure do not want a man like that.

-- why do some confuse force with masculinity?

co-ercion is not something that is nice- that is not love or caring.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:48:27 PM

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I think we all understand that people are different. But gender shouldn't be the factor that decides who is in charge.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 6:48:38 PM

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Some are never taught the difference between force and masculinity. As someone else mentioned, some know better, but don't have the self-control to head that kind of thing off. And, the two are not necessarily exclusive of one another.

It all depends.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 7:13:24 PM

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n/m. I have to go give my equal man a blowjob. . Rock on with this fucking argument, especially you women that are single. Yay. Oh and stomp.

Yeah I know, I'm a bitch.

You're an awesome bitch....I find it incredibly sexy, does that make me pussified?

So by the OP's viewpoint, for any woman that has a career and isn't a 1950's housewife, the guy with her is "pussified". That's ridiculous.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 7:48:10 PM

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I was also raised by an Alpha Male and I have to say that I have hated him my whole life. And hate is a word I don't use lightly. I have zero respect for the man. He may be a bit sexist, a product of his times, but that's not what bothers me. It's not that he treats women poorly. He treats everyone poorly. He honestly believes that he is smarter and therefore more capable than everyone he meets. Especially government bureaucrats (although he probably has a point with that one). Therefore, he's going to tell you what to do, because he knows better. He'll start barking out orders like a drill sergeant. And if you don't follow, he's going to loose it. Always looking for a fight. This goes for family (parents, siblings, wife, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins) and strangers alike.

The man has a temper as hot as the sun and a fuse as short as a nudist's dick in February. Finally I got tired of waiting for him to die, so I've cut off all communication with my family (plenty of other basket cases there too, but he was the worst). I know that sounds awful, but no one can stand this man, and after nearly 30 years I had had enough.

Sure, I think PC culture has gotten out of hand, but excusing the behavior of most Alpha Males is just giving them license to act like dicks.

Speaking of the 1950's stereotypes, does anyone know when the mother-in-law stereotype started? I'm not saying it is a positive one, but it's certainly a very different sort of stereotype for women where they frequently emasculate their sons-in-law. I know it was certainly well-established in the popular culture by the 60's (I recently watched It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World featuring just such a mother-in-law, and who can forget Endora from Bewitched).

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 9:32:23 PM

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What does this have to do with single women? Do you think we aren't in relationships? We can't get any?

I always dreaded 50's style relationships. From what I remember growing up, it's where the wife handles the money yet has to beg for an allowance. While the husband could generally spend what he wanted. And sex was used as a bargaining chip.

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n/m. I have to go give my equal man a blowjob. . Rock on with this fucking argument, especially you women that are single. Yay. Oh and stomp.

Yeah I know, I'm a bitch.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 9:43:34 PM

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Okay, let me tell you my experience. I have had the most of dominant of men in vanilla relationships. You took one look at them and you knew you were dealing with a man so tough, they could handle most anything. Except me. I could handle the dom/dom personalities we had and so could they... what they couldn't handle was the emotional. The not being in control of everything life could throw at them. The fact that I was ill and they couldn't fix me and facing off with hospital staff or doctors that were cruel or negligent. Oh they were a man's man and boy the world knew it.... until me.

That man's man attitude got them in the door as I like a man's man... but it sure got them kicked out that same door.

Now, I have had submissive men that could handle me... my dominant personality... my illness... my smart and the man's man's world they were successful on any front I can think of. I don't break men. I love them and want them strong. But is he less a man because I call the shots? To me, the submissive men I have been involved with had more strength than the dominant men, but that doesn't mean all men are the same.

There are men of any type that can be broken... same goes for women.
Pussified isn't just men. People in general are pussified! And whether it is a these days thing or has always been, I couldn't say. I just gather around me the people I like and respect... and as they say on another thread... fuck the rest.

Just as bad as inked.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 9:48:18 PM

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I was also raised by an Alpha Male and I have to say that I have hated him my whole life. And hate is a word I don't use lightly. I have zero respect for the man. He may be a bit sexist, a product of his times, but that's not what bothers me. It's not that he treats women poorly. He treats everyone poorly. He honestly believes that he is smarter and therefore more capable than everyone he meets. Especially government bureaucrats (although he probably has a point with that one). Therefore, he's going to tell you what to do, because he knows better. He'll start barking out orders like a drill sergeant. And if you don't follow, he's going to loose it. Always looking for a fight. This goes for family (parents, siblings, wife, kids, aunts, uncles, cousins) and strangers alike.

The man has a temper as hot as the sun and a fuse as short as a nudist's dick in February. Finally I got tired of waiting for him to die, so I've cut off all communication with my family (plenty of other basket cases there too, but he was the worst). I know that sounds awful, but no one can stand this man, and after nearly 30 years I had had enough.

Sure, I think PC culture has gotten out of hand, but excusing the behavior of most Alpha Males is just giving them license to act like dicks.

Speaking of the 1950's stereotypes, does anyone know when the mother-in-law stereotype started? I'm not saying it is a positive one, but it's certainly a very different sort of stereotype for women where they frequently emasculate their sons-in-law. I know it was certainly well-established in the popular culture by the 60's (I recently watched It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World featuring just such a mother-in-law, and who can forget Endora from Bewitched).

Why would you think what you describe is an Alpha male?

Alpha males are dicks who treat people poorly?. Nope, those are assholes.

I would argue alpha males don't need to be dicks all the time and don't need to treat people poorly.

Not counting here of course.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 10:00:39 PM

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Some are never taught the difference between force and masculinity. As someone else mentioned, some know better, but don't have the self-control to head that kind of thing off. And, the two are not necessarily exclusive of one another.

It all depends.

Agreed.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 10:06:02 PM

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All men want to think they are alpha males, it's part of the deal.

That can cause some men to over compensate.

That doesn't make them alpha males.

If any of you doubt me, I will pee all over you!

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 10:16:21 PM

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Rock on with this fucking argument, especially you women that are single. Yay. Oh and stomp.

I can understand railing on the idea that men who treat their women well and as equals are "pussified". But why the slam on single women?

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 10:19:28 PM

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Now put your hands up
Up in the club, we just broke up
I’m doing my own little thing
you Decided to dip but now you wanna trip
Cuz another brother noticed me
I’m up on him, he up on me
dont pay him any attention
cuz i cried my tears, GAVE three good years
Ya can’t be mad at me

[Chorus]
Cuz if you liked it then you should have put a NIPPLE ring on it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a CLIT ring on it
Don’t be mad once you see that he want it
If you liked it then you shoulda put a NIPPLE ring on it

wo oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh ooh oh oh oh x2

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 10:31:02 PM

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All men want to think they are alpha males, it's part of the deal.

That can cause some men to over compensate.

That doesn't make them alpha males.

If any of you doubt me, I will pee all over you!

not sure if this was a fast reply or a response to my post.

if it is to my post..

I'm not talking about over compensation when I agreed with Levels post. I was thinking more about his comments re.. men being taught the difference between force and control..and applying it mentally firsthand to the two teenage men I am currently raising. Am I teaching them this?

if not a repy to my post.. then never mind....

carry on ;)

Allie

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/18/2010 11:02:43 PM

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On many discussion boards I see comments such as "____ women won't let a man be a man" or "I don't feel I have to be ______ because women have done me wrong - so I'm going to act negatively" or "if it weren't for ____ women, ______ men could/would act like men".

This puzzles me greatly.

My personal commitment to accountability would view those comments with a different opinion. While the individual may be in a relationship that isn't fulfilling or doesn't impact their manhood in a positive vain, it was still his choice to get involved. However, I don't deny that their are those that discriminate based on gender and feel justified when doing so. Nonetheless I shy away from generalizations regarding either sex. Exceptions exist on both sides of the divide.

I don't utilize the term 'alpha' when describing anyone, not even myself. I make a point of expressing my preference for a man that leads when referencing dominants. I go on to explain what I mean when saying such to alleviate any misinterpretations. In terms of background my father was uncompromising. He was very much the sort to do as he pleased without an expectation of challenge. That is not to say that my mother did not provide her input or disagree, but her countenance was such (at the time) where she was more agreeable than I would have been.

In some respects I am a combination of the two. My mother's affinity for domesticity helped forge my interest in household management, gourmet food and wine, arts & crafts, gardening, interior design, etiquette, protocol, and entertaining to name a few. But I am far from June Cleaver and bear a better similarity to Martha Stewart in all truth. The attributes I gained from my father helped cultivate fearless independence, a Type-A persona, a definitive need to overachieve, workaholic tendencies, a desire and ability to lead, and unflinching resolve. I'm the quintessential go-getter that will burn both ends of the candle to complete a task. I like results and thrive in environments where stress and competition are the norm.

Male emasculation is not an activity I engage in for sport. I believe intentionally tearing someone down without provocation that I've substantiated is overkill and then some. I have encountered men within the professional ranks that mistakenly assumed my poise and soft voice lent the suggestion that I could be steamrolled or merely bumped out of the way when convenient. In every instance I capitalized on their missteps. However, engaging in battle merely because I can is unacceptable in my mind. There is a difference between a show of strength and tyranny.

Nor do I agree with the attempts of those within some circles to posit that men are completely victimized and women should step aside and allow him to regain his rightful place. I also find their attempt to validate his manliness by suggesting that all are natural born leaders is incredibly flawed. I've managed and rubbed shoulders with many that depicted the opposite. I don't believe that pacifying his ego is the proper approach. And oftentimes those that fall outside of what is typically seen as masculine endure ridicule and internal conflicts. I see little reason to add to a plate that is already overflowing.

Unlike you I don't see the differences in a negative context, but view them as a representation of our value systems and individual factors that are I'm not privy to where the person is concerned. It is impossible to know what shaped his behavior or led him to adopt the mannerisms you deem disconcerting. I've seen similar charges levied against women that defied traditional roles made by female persons that didn't agree with their choices or how they conducted themselves. Your call for a more aggressive man negates the realities that liberation has brought to women. Not only in terms of choices but a shifting of priorities and the development of empowerment with varying effects. Pandora's box has sprung open and what you're witnessing is real competition (in some regard) that was not of consequence in the past. We were also more dependent on our male companions and that is no longer the case. In short, we've evolved.

I can easily admit that your suggestion would fall on deaf ears where I'm concerned. Relating with a man doesn't mean I place him upon a pedestal or deny my talents, strengths, or aptitude either. My professional experiences only sharpened what came natural and it would take an individual on par with me to compel the response you're suggesting. If I'm aware that I can take charge he will never control me. It is an unbalanced situation that I work hard to avoid. But I don't view incompatibility in a negative fashion. Nor would I surmise he's incapable of mastering either. But I would articulate that he cannot master me.

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