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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 3:15:54 AM   
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I think people need to clarify what they mean by equal because men and women aren't equal.  They aren't the same, they are no where near being the same.  NOT being equal doesn't equate as many seem to see it as less than, it simply means men and women are different.

To me, i would have a hard time with a Man who sees me as a woman as his equal because it tells me he is so into political correctness that he fails to celebrate the differences of us and our dynamic.  Women should not be that insecure that they need to be the "equal" of men.  And men shouldn't be that politically correct that they see women as equal. 

Which is why to me, the concept of what people are defining as equal means because for me, it flabbergasts me when a woman celebrates her man seeing her as equal, because to me that is the worst insult a Man can give a woman. 

The connotation i get from threads like this is the concept of NOT equal means less than instead of simply different.

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When you capitalize the word "man", your post loses any sort of credibility.


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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 4:09:27 AM   
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I also do not think the "gap" between male and female violence is all that great.


I have read of quite a few instances of female violence. One old guy who had been married for years had little scars all over the back of his hands. When questioned about it, it all came out. During meal times with his lady friend would dart out at his hands with the fork and knife she ate with. It had happened all his married life. He didn't realise anything was wrong. I guess his mother was nasty too, how else would come to see this behaviour as normal ?

Another guy I read about woke up in agony to find his lady friend had plunged a nail into his ear hole. He ended up in a home for battered women for a while.

Men who resort to violence use their superior strength. Women who do likewise often use a weapon. That's how they address the strength differential.

But when a female opts for violence it is usually verbal. Nagging, whinning and repeatedly fault finding where none exists is psychological abuse, which is just as serious as physical abuse. Society has not at present come to see that, because it leaves no scars, broken bones or spilt blood, it is seen as less harmful. I disagree. In fact, I think a lot of male to female physical abuse, is the outcome of female to male psychological abuse.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 4:17:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's awfully close to saying beaten wives bring it on themselves.

I'd say you're incredibly wrong- you can't blame her for him having anger management issues that can't stop him from resorting to violence on someone he supposedly cares about.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 5:55:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Umm TheRaptorJesus, grins, its odd you missed the parts when i didn't capitalize it, so you really can't tell anything from my post regarding the motive behind the capitalization of man or Men to gauge my credibility or not.    Nice try though. 

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 6:20:16 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv2gPf7C7Yc

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 6:31:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		xxblushesxx,  that video just made me sad.

OP, there's a line I use when I can't see a reason for going any further into a discussion because my views and those of the other person are so diametrically opposed.....'Isn't it wonderful that we're all so different?'

It's okay to agree to disagree.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 6:37:36 AM   
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Okay, how about this:

A man and woman are at a party. The woman isn't strong, she is however drunk; she begins saying some nasty things to another guest. The man tries once, twice to get her to stop, but she doesn't. Finally, he tells her to "sit down, and be quiet". Is that better, is it the "shut up" that is offensive? Surely not the fact that he's telling her what to do, is.

Just thinking out loud here.

shut up " would put me in a defensive mode immediately, and then nothing penetrates


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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 6:42:33 AM   
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But when a female opts for violence it is usually verbal. Nagging, whinning and repeatedly fault finding where none exists is psychological abuse, which is just as serious as physical abuse. Society has not at present come to see that, because it leaves no scars, broken bones or spilt blood, it is seen as less harmful. I disagree. In fact, I think a lot of male to female physical abuse, is the outcome of female to male psychological abuse.
I do as well. And i tend to think it is generally much more damaging than physical abuse
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In fact, I think a lot of male to female physical abuse, is the outcome of female to male psychological abuse.
no doubt this does occur...but the stats show it is not the norm. Nor is it an excuse.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 6:59:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GambitLeBeau

That's awfully close to saying beaten wives bring it on themselves.


I did not sat that or imply it. All abuse is wrong.


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I'd say you're incredibly wrong- you can't blame her for him having anger management issues that can't stop him from resorting to violence on someone he supposedly cares about.


Perhaps we can blame some women for some men having anger management issues. Every human being has anger management issues if harassed, tormented and provoked beyond endurance.

There is a reason why captured enemy combatants are subjected to white noise. It is repetitive, endless, pointless harrassment which is difficult to endure, and certain to result in a crisis of one sort or another - nagging of a different kind, but nagging non the less.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:05:26 AM   
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I believe there are times were some people need to be be told to shit down and shut up.  I also believe that sometimes that can be done out of respect and love for them. Often times people forget they have 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.


I agree, sometimes it's done out of concern for a friend too. Like when they have drunk too much and are getting mouthy with a stranger over nothing.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:10:19 AM   
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Umm TheRaptorJesus, grins, its odd you missed the parts when i didn't capitalize it, so you really can't tell anything from my post regarding the motive behind the capitalization of man or Men to gauge my credibility or not.    Nice try though. 


barely, you once again missed the ball with your post. I don't think you could hit the broad side of a barn with a planet. It is rather painful to watch you in action.

I understand that people want to live their authentic lives and some think it is highly important to be able to live their master slave existence for all to see. But that is where the dynamic ends.

If you tread through this Earth with the notion that men are superior to women you are in for a long and rather unpleasant journey.

Within your own dynamic it can work upon those lines if you attempt to extrapolate this notion to any type of a broader dynamic you are a fool.

Prattle on.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:21:12 AM   
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There is often more damage done by men, I agree, julia.


Physical abuse quite possibly.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:21:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Switch woman with man in your post, and you can see the flaw in it


A woman, likewise, should not let a man define her character... otherwise she is dickified


Seriously, I kinda found this rant sexist


This.

And...........what one person thinks is a manly man, another person will see a pussy. Seriously.

I see men allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the time that others think are totally the shit, a 'real man' and I look at the very same man and think to myself "I don't get it".


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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:30:14 AM   
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In fact, I think a lot of male to female physical abuse, is the outcome of female to male psychological abuse.


That's a pretty strong implication in my eyes, that you believe women are nagging and harassing men to the point of violence. Like men are unable to control their own actions. There is NO justification for domestic violence.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:33:53 AM   
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Define "pussified" please.  According to the OP, that would be men that aren't able to recognize that women are equal to them. Just because I am submissive to my man, that certainly doesn't make him less than submissive if he asks my opinion or respects my mind. I would never be with someone so weak that they thought me being a strong intelligent woman makes them "pussified."



Pussified isn't a term I created, it has actually been around for years. Carlon started using it I believe. To me a pussified man is one who doesn't stand up for what he believes, wants or needs. They are men who let women belittle them and immasculate them publically and privately (not talking kink or even conscentual stuff).


I am a bit confused by your thread as well. If a man is pussified because he "lets" a woman belittle them publically or privately, then he is just in an emotionally abusive relationship. Or a you saying a man who lets a woman do that is submissive?

What do you call a woman who "lets" a man belittle them publically or privately? Submissive or a doormat? In an emotionally abusive relationship or a consentual adult D/s relationship or none of the above?

I am in the camp that says that men and women are equal. The 50's relationships you are referring to had just as much of a power struggle/exchange as anything today; don't let media or idealism fool you.

Men and women are equal whether they are Dominant or submissive.

Being respectful and chivalrous and all that jazz is not mutually exclusive of being a man, or a woman.

I agree that the OP has every right to her opinion as we all do, but sometimes these kinds of rants just keep fueling the fire that some use to remain angry and blame their bad situations on sexism, rather than their own behaviors.

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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:34:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut

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ETA: Was my OP sexists as suggested, I dont think so but that would depend on your definition of what being sexist is  julia


It is MY opinion that it is wrong for anyone to tell another person to sit down and shut the fuck up because of their gender...

In my mind respect between people should be something to strive for, but that is just me... You want a world in which one person has it over on another person because they have a penis. I think that is sexist...


I CHOOSE to have a man that leads me... but a man that would think it is okay to tell me to shut the fuck up? That ain't no alpha man, that is a man who does not respect me and by extension doesn't respect himself if I am his reflection...

Just ME, etc


I believe there are times were some people need to be be told to shit down and shut up.  I also believe that sometimes that can be done out of respect and love for them. Often times people forget they have 2 ears and one mouth for a reason.


I see an equal number of men that also have moments they need to be told to sit down and shut the fuck up. Most of them seriously believe they are alpha males and a few of them have managed to find women that would agree with them.

Any person, male or female, that is an adult and does not have the personal self control, and accountability, to know when they need to sit down and shut up, I have to wonder why the other person would be in a relationship with them.

This isn't a gender issue, this is a personal responsibility issue. Regardless of dominant or submissive, male or female, there are individuals that 'get' they need to take responsibility for their behaviour and there are people that just do NOT get it and will find every excuse in the book for their bad behaviour. Even dominant men.

As for 50's housewife........I've known dozens and I have to tell you, every single one of them was running the show. Some have just been more skilled and subtle puppeteers than others.


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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:40:11 AM   
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They're so caught up in the need to be seen as alphas, it's actually very easy to poke them with metaphorical pointy sticks.  And then they explode.  With often hilarious results.

Bless their little hearts.


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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:41:02 AM   
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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:51:42 AM   
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You assumed that people on this site are openminded. You assumed they could hear an opinion that was different than their own without simply becoming defensive and reacting off of emotion. Not an entirely safe assumption to make, i think.

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Amazing.

She expresses one of the most closed-minded views I have ever heard and you complain people criticizing her are not open-minded?





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RE: Rant of sorts....pussified men - 7/19/2010 7:52:33 AM   
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I think people need to clarify what they mean by equal because men and women aren't equal.  They aren't the same, they are no where near being the same.  NOT being equal doesn't equate as many seem to see it as less than, it simply means men and women are different.

To me, i would have a hard time with a Man who sees me as a woman as his equal because it tells me he is so into political correctness that he fails to celebrate the differences of us and our dynamic.  Women should not be that insecure that they need to be the "equal" of men.  And men shouldn't be that politically correct that they see women as equal. 

Which is why to me, the concept of what people are defining as equal means because for me, it flabbergasts me when a woman celebrates her man seeing her as equal, because to me that is the worst insult a Man can give a woman. 

The connotation i get from threads like this is the concept of NOT equal means less than instead of simply different.

angel


You are kidding us, right? It is an insult for human beings to treat each other as equals?


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