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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 7:12:41 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		joether, I'm accepting the appology clearly you are sincere in it because I got one both in the thread and in my CM mail. That's showing some class.

I come off sounding republican on the boards but I haven't voted for a republican presidential candidate since I voted for Perot. I vote Libertarian when I can. I end up arguing this conservative side because the board is slanted left by a considerable margin, and seriously we have enough nutjobs on the right that someone has to be a bit better than that arguing this side.

Owner is right I've had the Cover (the hat) etc questioned and had the same idea tossed at me a time or two before.

Oddly enough the real situation of the picture would make most folks who are racist and or neo nazi cringe and disown me in a hot second.

Sir Robert Davis was taking the stage, we had all just been told the story (some of us for the first time) about the act of bravery and kindness that Robert did during his title year. You see Sir Robert had donated a kidney to a fellow Leatherman who was not permittted to be on the national list because he was HIV +.
I'm in the middle of a room with a beer in my left hand and thumping my chest was the best salute to such a man I could make. The event photographer saw me and took that shot. I'm proud to have that photo used for my profiles here and everywhere. It gives me this opportunity to post the story of how it came to be and to post a link to the man's memorial page on the International Leather Sir web page. Sir Robert Davis died still young just a few years after his title year and he was a man who I knew and loved as a brother. http://www.leathersir.com/InMemoriam/RobertDavis/index.html  Please please please read the memorial page but also check the guestbook for other folks memories of this man. If it doesn't inspire a little chest pounding in you, check your pulse.

Anti climatic the background has the hallmark that a friend designed for me. It's a big stylized A with an arrow shaft splitting the legs making the A bring to mind the shape of an arrowhead. A, Archer, A, Arrow, Archer, Arrow.............

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 7:36:18 AM   
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Archer,

If I told your image, and printed it out. You know, the one of you standing, before a gold symbol on a red background, surrounded by a gold border. And that gold and red image, has a black wall behind it. And there you are, wearing a militarized, black officer's cap, a leather vest. And your right hand, in a fist on your chest. Yes, that one! And ask 1000 people, if the person in that image looked like he belonged to some nazi or fascist group. What percentage would say 'yes'? And if I told those who said 'no', that you fully support the Tea Party Movement (as you are defending it, with outragous arguements). How many of those who said 'no', would switch their answer to 'yes'?

The NAACP, was fully correct, to smack the Tea Party for its view point on racism.


Out of bounds.....

Archer is not that.Not at all.

He part of the leather scene and not part of any extremist groups.He hasn`t come off like that or led anyone to believe that he`s with nazis,neo-nazis whatever or anything like that.It`s wrong to say that based on looks.Not the 1st time someone has said this about Archer,either.

He`s mostly conservative but not at all jerky about it.One of the few old school republicans and not a neo-conservative.

Though we disagree on some politics,he`s cool and deserves everyone`s respect.



He does seem to support the Tea Party in his posts. Some of his links, are very 'bloggish' and not 'journalistic' quality. 'Old School' Republicans helped create the problems this country is dealing with (not to mention some 'old school' Democrats). Voters have to own up, to the people they elect to public office. Someone like Mr. Bush, was not a very good person for the office, but yet, people voted him a second term. I am simply observing Republicans, hold a distinct irresponsiblity, over laws, projects, and goverment. It is easy to point the finger at the other guy for F-ing something up. It is not easy, to admit fault.

While any one of us, could look at Archer and say "hey dude, nice look!", we also know he's a kinky kind of guy. I have no problem with that. He's a Master. Dont have a problem with that either. He is welcome to his viewpoint, but could consider better usuage of wisdom in the future (like the rest of us). As this subject, seems to draw the worst in us out. But then, is hatred every suppose to be a good thing for humanity?

Archer,

My apologizes. I should have explained the previous statement above, and been, MUCH, clearer in the exact thought process. Was not my intention to attack you personally. Even after thinking about it for a while, I could say how it could be called that. Just a guy, arguing against liberals, over a group that has been highly accused across the board for holding a racists stance(s) on subjects, dressed as you are in that image. My words, were not as well thought out and wise, as they should have been. For that, I am sorry, Archer.



Well,the tea party isn`t a racists gathering, though some show up.

There are white supremacists groups like the Council Of Conservative Citizens and others involved in the tea party,as they are involved in the GOP also.But like the Grand Old Party,the racists aliments do not define the tea party,they are just tolerated.

That was the point of the NAACP resolution.

Mostly,the tea party is made up of conservatives who are looking to vent and play patriot make pretend.They are the sorest losers of the GOP trying to look like something else.Hence,the new name.But it`s just the same old same old grand old party.


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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 7:43:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Owner, Robert Bird hasn't been dead a month yet. And the South is full of "Southern Democrats."
It's starting to look like you have a "thing" for the Teabaggers.

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 7:59:28 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		My arguments were never that the Tea Party Protests didn't have some folks who were racists showing up and crashing the party.
My arguments were that it is not any part of the Tea Party's original stance, nor do they reflect the majority view.
I contend that they get the attention and they draw it off away from the valid ideas that the Tea Party holds as central, and that the media is partly responsible for that because they gave them the attention when the Tea Party was trying to starve them from any attention so they would go away.

I argue that the original position was for the Tea Party to treat them like that cousin the family keeps in the attic. Just make sure they don't bite somebody and they will tier of comming out and listening to us when we don't give the birthers microphone time and when they realize that the racist speakers get no microphone time either. Unfortunately the passive ignoring them approach was not enough to send them back to the dark corners where roaches generally stay when lights come on.

So we end up with months and month where the small contingent of racists is the issue instead of  the issues of Bail Outs, Pork, Taxes and Deficit Spending.
The Tea Party started with those issues and the rest of the stuff has been drift, with some Washington insiders and some high profile folks trying to and sometimes successfully shifting the movement to harness it for their own reasons. (typical for many movements that they get hijacked)



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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 8:08:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

I come off sounding republican on the boards but I haven't voted for a republican presidential candidate since I voted for Perot. I vote Libertarian when I can. I end up arguing this conservative side because the board is slanted left by a considerable margin, and seriously we have enough nutjobs on the right that someone has to be a bit better than that arguing this side.



Should you not come to the boards and just give your opinion as you feel it to be, irrespective of how you see the board to be slanted?
 
You make it sound like you alter your perspective based on numbers, not the topic. Perhaps the conservative view on these boards seems to be in the minority because of the invalidity of their position in many topics.
 
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious as to why this is your approach. For example, do you go to right wing blogs/boards and argue the liberal position?

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 8:09:07 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		All the NAACP did was make a resolution.You`d think they fire bombed a tea party rally the way cons have reacted.

All the deniers did(and the folks who went along w/ them) was to make the NAACP more powerful then they are.Then the back-stab attack on Sharrod.Boy,that was an overplay.

Now it`s a street fight and black media(and there`s a lot of black run/owned media) is on this story big time and telling folks about Sharrods mugging at the hands of fox and friends.

I don`t think cons won that tit for tat.



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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 8:09:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Archer, good points.
It's becomming increasingly obvious that the closer we get to November 2 nd the more fearfull those on the left are becomming.
I predict that by Oct 1 st they'll be in "full panic" mode and there'll be all kinds of hysterical charges on a daily basis.
Any claims of a "positive campaign" will be out the window by then.
A drowning man will grab at a match stick.

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 8:25:18 AM   
Archer


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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

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ORIGINAL: Archer

I come off sounding republican on the boards but I haven't voted for a republican presidential candidate since I voted for Perot. I vote Libertarian when I can. I end up arguing this conservative side because the board is slanted left by a considerable margin, and seriously we have enough nutjobs on the right that someone has to be a bit better than that arguing this side.



Should you not come to the boards and just give your opinion as you feel it to be, irrespective of how you see the board to be slanted?
 
You make it sound like you alter your perspective based on numbers, not the topic. Perhaps the conservative view on these boards seems to be in the minority because of the invalidity of their position in many topics.
 
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious as to why this is your approach. For example, do you go to right wing blogs/boards and argue the liberal position?


I think you missed the point, maybe I didn't make it clear.
The board is slanted left, by that alone a moderate position will sound farther right than it is.
I hold many conservative ideas to be true, I also hold more than a few ideas that republicans would consider liberal ideas as true. Yes I do argue some liberal positions on one board that slants right. Because my position doesn't change only where I fall on the board's overall slant changes.

I'm not a raving mad Libertarian, I am a slightly right of center libertarian who sees dangers in both the left and the right.
But this board really does sit considerably left of center, and as such I appear farther right than I am.



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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 8:35:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Archer

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ORIGINAL: EbonyWood

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ORIGINAL: Archer

I come off sounding republican on the boards but I haven't voted for a republican presidential candidate since I voted for Perot. I vote Libertarian when I can. I end up arguing this conservative side because the board is slanted left by a considerable margin, and seriously we have enough nutjobs on the right that someone has to be a bit better than that arguing this side.



Should you not come to the boards and just give your opinion as you feel it to be, irrespective of how you see the board to be slanted?
 
You make it sound like you alter your perspective based on numbers, not the topic. Perhaps the conservative view on these boards seems to be in the minority because of the invalidity of their position in many topics.
 
I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious as to why this is your approach. For example, do you go to right wing blogs/boards and argue the liberal position?


I think you missed the point, maybe I didn't make it clear.
The board is slanted left, by that alone a moderate position will sound farther right than it is.
I hold many conservative ideas to be true, I also hold more than a few ideas that republicans would consider liberal ideas as true. Yes I do argue some liberal positions on one board that slants right. Because my position doesn't change only where I fall on the board's overall slant changes.

I'm not a raving mad Libertarian, I am a slightly right of center libertarian who sees dangers in both the left and the right.
But this board really does sit considerably left of center, and as such I appear farther right than I am.






Come on now buddy, you and I have discussed many things on these boards and it is pretty clear that you are about two clicks to the right of atilla the hun...not that that is a bad thing but facts are facts.
Now just for shits and grins if we were to say that marx (carl not groucho) was a leftist and nicholas II as a rightist who from history would you pick to be a centerist with those two as the polar opposites?

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:17:49 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		Yeah you keep trying to pass off that crap thomposon but the scales of the questionaires place me solidly around the  3,-3 on the Political Compass.org test.

Took it again just for yucks and I ended up at 3.62 right and -3.33 down.

You'd love to be able to dismiss me as attilla the hun, but here again the neutral party refutes your evaluation.




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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:25:10 AM   
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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:30:40 AM   
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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:34:46 AM   
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Owner, Robert Bird hasn't been dead a month yet. And the South is full of "Southern Democrats."
It's starting to look like you have a "thing" for the Teabaggers.


When are you going to get a "thing" for spelling?

It's Byrd.


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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:37:08 AM   
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Uh, can we work for an America where there is not a walmart in every town?
No, we can't. But if we could, where do you suggest the 1000's of current walmart employees start looking for new jobs? And what about the other big chain stores? Should we do away with them also?

Can we outlaw the teaparty?
Why, because they don't agree with you? Are you going to do away with all groups that hold different views that you do?

Can we make Baseball something that attendance is mandatory?
If you want to see a game, then have a great time, but I really don't see the point in making it mandatory. Do you honestly need the government to tell you how to spend your free time? Can't you figure some things out for yourself?

And finally, can we get rid of reality tv?
Again you are out of luck. If you don't like reality tv, then don't watch it, but quit trying to force everyone else to live their lives in the same manner you do.


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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:41:24 AM   
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I'm unwilling to let you frame the issue with your bias



If you do not think that carl marx and nicholas II are polar opposites then pick a pair whom you do think does so...I am trying to have a discussion with you not sucker punch you.

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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:48:37 AM   
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The problem with any success is that folks steal it from you.

Have they been coopted yet nope because even if you buy the NAACP's full line it says ELEMENTS.
even though you want to make it the predominant force so you can dismiss the protest entirely, at least they recognize that it is elements. and really when you show the entire spectrum of signs the racist and even the birther signs are in the minority within the movement.



I don't care if they are the tiniest minority.

Why are those signs there at all?

Why do people like you tolerate them while claiming at the same time how open-minded you are?

Apparently the tolerance must include tolerating racism.



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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 9:53:08 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		I don't believe you thompson simple as that.
But OK I'll take the suckers road.

But lets say Rudd  recently from ozzy land maybe  comes close. with JFK being close to center as well.
Both of them left of me but I'm not dead center.

Seriously the center isn't exactly rife with leaders, leaders tend to come from one side or the other with centrists killed off by both sides in the process.



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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 10:00:42 AM   
Archer


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accusing me of racism FUCK YOU.

That's the last you'll get from me.

People wonder why civility left, ask me why I left it's the Jackasses like you tossing out accusations like that.

FUCK YOU






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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 10:06:05 AM   
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Rule FUCK YOU
accusing me of racism FUCK YOU.

That's the last you'll get from me.

People wonder why civility left, ask me why I left it's the Jackasses like you tossing out accusations like that.

FUCK YOU





You're kind of a testy little guy aren't you?

Point out to me where I called you a racist.

What I said was you tolerate that within your little teabagger circle.


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RE: Racist Tea Party Signs You Won`t See On TV - 7/21/2010 10:15:32 AM   
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I don't believe you thompson simple as that.
But OK I'll take the suckers road.

But lets say Rudd recently from ozzy land maybe comes close. with JFK being close to center as well.
Both of them left of me but I'm not dead center.

Seriously the center isn't exactly rife with leaders, leaders tend to come from one side or the other with centrists killed off by both sides in the process


I do not remember any of our discussions being less than civil so I do not understand your position of not trusting me...what's to trust? You make your opinion known and I make mine.
I do not know much about mr. rudd but I am fairly well acquainted with jfk. I found his "hawkish" view of viet nam to be more than a little right of center. I thought his handling of the cuban missile crisses to be publicly hawkish but privately the quid pro quo with russia for a stand down of our missiles in turkey in exchange for the removal of the cuban misslies to be rational...not particularly centerist but rational.
His attempts to murder castro do not exactly strike one as centerist.
Your position on the political spectrum being rt. of jfk, whom I found to be a couple of clicks to the rt of center and I found nixon to be more than a couple of clicks to the rt of jfk but nothing you have said would lead me to believe that you were any where near nicholas II. Would you consider yourself rt or lft of nixon?



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