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TheHeretic -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:39:19 PM)
Ain't free speech grand?

domiguy -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:40:12 PM)
Tazzy you have to remember that wilbur has no regard for the truth...He will post that Holder will get removed and the BP well will no be capped. Now this. He is really not very intelligent and is 100% underhanded in what he posts and the lengths he will take to deny the truth or to back his own words.

tazzygirl -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:44:06 PM)
Free speech is grand. There is also an obligation when speaking freely. Slander suits come to mind quickly. All i said was Fox won the right to lie. The successfully won that right in court. They are under no obligation to report the truth because it isnt a "law, rule or regulation" that they do so.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:44:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute. Accordingly, we reverse the judgment in her favor and remand for entry of a judgment in favor of WTVT. Reversed and remanded. CASANUEVA, J., and GREEN, OLIVER L., SENIOR JUDGE, Concur. http://www.2dca.org/opinions/Opinion_Pages/Opinion_Page_2003/February/February%2014,%202003/2D01-529.pdf Thats exactly what they ruled upon. You are correct, I misread your last response to be your original claim..that they said that the media has a "right to lie", which is not what the ruling said. They merely said that Akre's argument was legally incorrect, because the rule they cited was not an ADOPTED RULE, which is a requirement under Fla law for a whistleblower. "As noted above, the legislature’s use of the word “adopted” in the whistle-blower's statute was deliberate and was intended to limit the scope of conduct that will subject an employer to liability. This limitation is consistent with the legislature’s requirement that agency statements that fit the definition of a “rule” be formally adopted. Recognizing an uncodified agency policy developed through the adjudicative process as the equivalent of a formally adopted rule is not consistent with this policy, and it would expand the scope of conduct that could subject an employer to liability beyond what Florida’s Legislature could have contemplated when it enacted the whistle-blower's statute."

tazzygirl -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:45:59 PM)
Read my post above yours, willbe. What i said initially was Fox won the right to lie. And they did. Do they lie all the time? I never said or implied they did. Simply that they successfully argued that right.

jlf1961 -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:46:00 PM)
quote: While WTVT has raised a number of challenges to the judgment obtained by Akre, we need not address each challenge because we find as a threshold matter that Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower's statute. The portion of the whistle-blower's statute pertinent to this appeal prohibits retaliation against employees who have "[d]isclosed, or threatened to disclose," employer conduct that "is in violation of" a law, rule, or regulation. § 448.102(1)(3). The statute defines a "law, rule or regulation" as "includ[ing] any statute or ... any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to any federal, state, or local statute or ordinance applicable to the employer and pertaining to the business." § 448.101(4), Fla. Stat. (1997). We agree with WTVT that the FCC's policy against the intentional falsification of the news—which the FCC has called its "news distortion policy"—does not qualify as the required "law, rule, or regulation" under section 448.102. Full text of the decision is found here That pretty much states that the FCC does not have a rule or regulation to force the truth in a news report.

RedStapler -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:48:10 PM)
Ugh. Time to inject some intelligence into this. Jane Akre was fired from her job with WTVT, a Fox affiliate, after one of her stories did not run. She claimed this was wrongful termination and sued under Florida's whistleblower law. The argument was that by not running the story, they were effectively in violation of FCC policy against falsifying or distorting the news. The state appeals court determined that the FCC policy was not a "law, rule, or regulation" as determined under the wistleblower statute. Therefore, the court disallowed wisteblower protection in this case. The result: Under Florida law, there is no wistleblower protection for journalists who say that their employer has violated FCC policy. A news organization can still be sued for libel or other damages that result from any false information that is given. And the FCC can still take action against them. So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them.

tazzygirl -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:50:48 PM)
Didnt Jefferson say pretty much the same?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:55:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler Ugh. Time to inject some intelligence into this. Jane Akre was fired from her job with WTVT, a Fox affiliate, after one of her stories did not run. She claimed this was wrongful termination and sued under Florida's whistleblower law. The argument was that by not running the story, they were effectively in violation of FCC policy against falsifying or distorting the news. The state appeals court determined that the FCC policy was not a "law, rule, or regulation" as determined under the wistleblower statute. Therefore, the court disallowed wisteblower protection in this case. The result: Under Florida law, there is no wistleblower protection for journalists who say that their employer has violated FCC policy. A news organization can still be sued for libel or other damages that result from any false information that is given. And the FCC can still take action against them. Exactly. And, as such, the decision does not in any way say that the media has a right to lie....the claim that started this hijack.

rulemylife -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 2:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Read my post above yours, willbe. What i said initially was Fox won the right to lie. And they did. Do they lie all the time? Not all the time. I would put it at about 80%.

rulemylife -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:02:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them. Nope. Can't do that. Fox News is the best comedy channel ever.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:06:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them. Nope. Can't do that. Fox News is the best comedy channel ever. I agree. When they give voice to liberals who couldnt debate their way out of a paper box, like Alan Colmes, it is a laugh riot.

tazzygirl -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:15:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler Ugh. Time to inject some intelligence into this. Jane Akre was fired from her job with WTVT, a Fox affiliate, after one of her stories did not run. She claimed this was wrongful termination and sued under Florida's whistleblower law. The argument was that by not running the story, they were effectively in violation of FCC policy against falsifying or distorting the news. The state appeals court determined that the FCC policy was not a "law, rule, or regulation" as determined under the wistleblower statute. Therefore, the court disallowed wisteblower protection in this case. The result: Under Florida law, there is no wistleblower protection for journalists who say that their employer has violated FCC policy. A news organization can still be sued for libel or other damages that result from any false information that is given. And the FCC can still take action against them. So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them. WHAT the ruling says is that the media is under no "law, rule or regulation" to report the truth. In this particular case, the reporters discovered BGH, a hormone, was being fed to dairy cattle in Florida. The same hormone banned in many countries. Akre won a judgement based upon whistleblowing... no other finding, everything else dismissed. It was during the appeal for the whistleblowing that Fox stated the Court ruling was wrong because there was no rule or law against falsification. Now, maybe that means one thing to you. To me, if you tell me you arent held to a standard of not falsifying ........... fal·si·fy (fôls-f) KEY VERB: fal·si·fied, fal·si·fy·ing, fal·si·fies VERB: tr. To state untruthfully; misrepresent. To make false by altering or adding to: falsify testimony. To counterfeit; forge: falsify a visa. To declare or prove to be false. VERB: intr. To make untrue statements; lie. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/falsify Now, spin this all you desire.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:17:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Free speech is grand. There is also an obligation when speaking freely. Slander suits come to mind quickly. All i said was Fox won the right to lie. The successfully won that right in court. OMFG CAN YOU READ? NO THEY DIDNT!!!! DID THE RULING STOP ANYONE FROM SUING THEM UNDER LIBEL AND SLANDER LAWS?????? NO. again, what they said, and its plain English: "the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102" That doesnt say there are no laws rules or regulations against the media lying, it says that FCC policy isnt. If you didnt let your ideology blind you like it so often does, you would see the huge difference. And its interesting that Akre never pursued remedy under any other law.

tazzygirl -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:18:25 PM)
A lie can be a lie by ommission... among many others... shall i post them all for you? ETA ah hell, im in a generous mood today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie

DomKen -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 3:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them. Nope. Can't do that. Fox News is the best comedy channel ever. Best comedy in a long while watching clips of them from yesterday valiantly pretending like they didn't do or say anything the day before. Maddow put the clips together last night. I almost busted a gut laughing at the clowns of FNC. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show#38353774

TheHeretic -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 4:16:10 PM)
Is anybody running video clips of the administration declaring that they weren't going to treat Fox as a legitimate news organization? That would be pretty funny.

rulemylife -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 4:22:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: RedStapler So what is the average Joe to do? If you don't find a news outlet trustworthy, don't read, watch, or listen to them. Nope. Can't do that. Fox News is the best comedy channel ever. I agree. When they give voice to liberals who couldnt debate their way out of a paper box, like Alan Colmes, it is a laugh riot. Alan Colmes? You mean Fox's token liberal so they can pretend they are "fair and balanced". Funny, I haven't seen much of him lately.

rulemylife -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 4:27:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Is anybody running video clips of the administration declaring that they weren't going to treat Fox as a legitimate news organization? That would be pretty funny. You mean to say they are? That's newsworthy in itself. Who could have guessed that Fox is a legitimate news organization and not Uncle Rupert's right-wing puppets?

TheHeretic -> RE: Video Suggests Racism At NAACP Event (7/22/2010 4:29:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You mean to say they are? I don't need to say anything about it, RML. The conduct of the administration in this incident says they are taking Fox VERY seriously, and stepping on their dicks in haste to get out of the crosshairs.

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