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True or false? - 4/17/2006 7:58:36 AM

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Speaking of definitions, I think we could perhaps agree on one thing, or perhaps it is two related things.

The word true is only used by idiots and should be banished from the BDSM lexicon.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:03:40 AM

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I say your in the wrong section bud

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:04:28 AM

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quote:

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Speaking of definitions, I think we could perhaps agree on one thing, or perhaps it is two related things.

The word true is only used by idiots and should be banished from the BDSM lexicon.

What say you?

Only when they use it in the same sentence as the word "real".

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:13:11 AM

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There is a vast difference between standing up and announcing "this is MY kink" and "this is the true kink".

Real is different, how many of us have met people who describe real life events and only later do we find out those real life events happened over the phone or in a chat room. It is a word screaming out for one single hard edged definition. No, I am quite comfortable with real although it certainly comes in for its own share of abuse.

True however, when attached to any activity making it the one right way, is the one wrong way.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:18:54 AM

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True however, when attached to any activity making it the one right way, is the one wrong way.

i completely agree with this. saying "i am true this, or true that" [ie - true Dom/true sub] is kind of a joke to me. because there are so many variations of actions preformed, who is to say what is true [or more subconsciously [sp?] what theyre inferring as 'correct'] Anyone, who believes in what they are doing, is true. to imply that you are any better than anyone else at what you do [even if its the truth {no pun intended}] is just simple ignorance.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:27:14 AM

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There is a vast difference between standing up and announcing "this is MY kink" and "this is the true kink".

Real is different, how many of us have met people who describe real life events and only later do we find out those real life events happened over the phone or in a chat room. It is a word screaming out for one single hard edged definition. No, I am quite comfortable with real although it certainly comes in for its own share of abuse.

True however, when attached to any activity making it the one right way, is the one wrong way.

Not sure about that CD, I don't know that they are that mutually exclusive. I might be a "Real" Dom, not one of those on-line types, or would that be making me a "True" Dom? I think both are misused in the same context way too often, trying to imply that there is some specific significance "just for them".

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:31:42 AM

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When do we all get the rule book for the 12th house so we stop making these idiot mistakes?

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:37:54 AM

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When do we all get the rule book for the 12th house so we stop making these idiot mistakes?

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:40:29 AM

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Well, personally I agree with you Crappy (Now there is something truely unexpected, eh?). I am heartily sick of reading about how this person or that either is or is not a "true" sub or slave (I find it is applied to subs and slaves more than doms, but that might just be a case of selective perception). It seems to me that a "true" sub or slave, as the term is used, is one who will indulge whatever the speaker's fancy is, and all others are by definition "false" subs/slaves.
I also suspect that this is done to try to goad the sub/slave into going along with whatever the speaker wants, to shame him or her into it.
So, that being said, I will agree with you on this...no more using "true" as a descriptor of a person's orientation or dedication to that orientation. I don't believe I ever did, so it shouldn't be that hard, however, I will freely flame those who do

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:40:32 AM

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quote:

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There is a vast difference between standing up and announcing "this is MY kink" and "this is the true kink".

Real is different, how many of us have met people who describe real life events and only later do we find out those real life events happened over the phone or in a chat room. It is a word screaming out for one single hard edged definition. No, I am quite comfortable with real although it certainly comes in for its own share of abuse.

True however, when attached to any activity making it the one right way, is the one wrong way.

So... what you are saying is that it's ok to say "I'm a "real" Dom" (you know, as opposed to all the fake doms) but it isn't ok to say "I'm a "true" Dom"? (as opposed to all the wannabes)

It sounds more like you are proposing that we "ban" a particular usage of certain words rather then the word. In doing that you attach a stigma to that word... when in reality there are some things where that usage of that word may be totally accurate..

Example... to cause someone to stop breathing to a point where their heart stops pumbing blood, the brain ceases all activity and all life force is permantly gone from that individual is the one "true" (you can insert "real" here as well) way to make a person dead. Granted there are many ways to achieve said state, but in the end (no pun intended) the results are the same.

Context is everything. For someone to say they are a "true" submissive could simply mean they are honest about it, (or that they see themselves as more of a submissive then others) to say they are a "real" submissive could mean they are real life and don't go in for the internet crap (or they could be saying something about all the fakes and wannabes), but if you throw in this is the "real" "true" way of doing something then it most definately implies that all the other ways people have touted about doing that particular thing is false and they are the "real and true" masters of that feat and all others should look to them for mentoring.

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:50:53 AM

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Well I am not changing my name to make non of yall happy...

Hope you all had a Happy Easter.

ShiftedJewel..... loved your post there...

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:53:45 AM

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well we all know your just a figment of imagination "grins"

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:54:09 AM

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Well I am not changing my name to make non of yall happy...

Hope you all had a Happy Easter.

Damn, I was thinking of changing mine to "RealTwisted" or something or something like that... wait, that word is ok to use isn't it?

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:57:46 AM

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I would now like to be known as the True Playful Real One

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 8:58:23 AM

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i don't get hung up on the terminology. Sometimes i say true, sometimes i don't. When i say true, it is as i see it. Is it wrong to imply my way may be the right way and others may be wrong? We see that all over these boards from people, in almost every thread - everyone expresses their one "true" way (without the actual use of the word) as a reflection of their opinion.

We're dancing around words, folks. Some are offended by "true." Some are offended by Gor. Some are offended by "real." Some are offended by slave vs. submissive. Some like the pronounciation of Dom'may...some do not. Maybe we should stop talking and then not offend anyone?

Here's Merriam Webster's definition of True:

Main Entry: 1true

Pronunciation: 'trü
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): tru·er; tru·est
Etymology: Middle English trewe, from Old English trEowe faithful; akin to Old High German gitriuwi faithful, Old Irish derb sure, and probably to Sanskrit dAruna hard, dAru wood -- more at TREE
1 a : STEADFAST, LOYAL b : HONEST, JUST c archaic : TRUTHFUL
2 a (1) : being in accordance with the actual state of affairs <true description> (2) : conformable to an essential reality (3) : fully realized or fulfilled <dreams come true> b : IDEAL, ESSENTIAL c : being that which is the case rather than what is manifest or assumed <the true dimension of the problem> d : CONSISTENT <true to character>
3 a : properly so called <true love> <the true faith> <the true stomach of ruminant mammals> b (1) : possessing the basic characters of and belonging to the same natural group as <a whale is a true but not a typical mammal> (2) : TYPICAL <the true cats>
4 : LEGITIMATE, RIGHTFUL <our true and lawful king>
5 a : that is fitted or formed or that functions accurately b : conformable to a standard or pattern : ACCURATE
6 : determined with reference to the earth's axis rather than the magnetic poles <true north>
7 : logically necessary
8 : NARROW, STRICT <in the truest sense>
9 : corrected for error
- true·ness noun

By these definitions, i am a "true" slave. If it really bothers people to use that particular word, then perhaps they are applying different meaning to it...?

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:00:13 AM

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Back to the initial point of CD's, I do agee however that "True" needs to be banned to the pile of don't use words when describing something in SM or BDSM. (we'll let truesub4U's nic slide however..lol)

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:03:31 AM

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truesub may take issue with that...

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:05:19 AM

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Would it be easier to simply stop judging others?

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:06:25 AM

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LOL thank you Scooter Sir... I appreciate that....

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RE: True or false? - 4/17/2006 9:06:40 AM

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As the only R/real and T/true submissive on the B/board, nay, on the S/site, I/i can only say all of Y/you sicken M/me! Not O/one of Y/you understands that A/all of Y/you are F/fake. I/i will give Y/you A/all a checklist to test Y/yourselves for T/truenessityability:

If Y/you type like T/this in a public F/forum, voluntarily, and claim to not want to offend A/anyone.

If Y/you refer to Y/yourself the T/third P/person to improve legibilty.

If Y/you possess the S/secret knowledge from the 12th Order, that T/true slaves have no L/limits.

If Y/you expect/give S/submission to/from A/anyone Y/you encounter, be T/they D/dom, S/sub, or S/sW/wI/iT/tC/c/H/h.

All T/true BDSMers know this, and if Y/you do not, Y/you should be B/banished from this S/site and used as D/dog F/food.

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PS: I do not wish to offend people who do these things because they are told to by their Masters, I only wish to offend those who cannot laugh at themselves. So, feel free to be offended... LOL!!!

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