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tazzygirl -> RE: Az immigration law case begins (7/23/2010 11:14:12 AM)
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Would you not "commit a crime" if it was the only way open to you to provide for your children.The other night over coffee with some friends...someone brought up "anchor babies"...complaining about these woman who cross the border to have their babies born on U.S. soil...they were decrying these woman for seeking to secure for their children a better future....is that not the very description of "motherhood" as we know it?Which of us would not move heavan and earth for our children?
Would i commit a crime to provide for my child? Yes, and i would accept the consequences of said crime. People commit crimes all the time with valid excuses, still doesnt make the crime acceptable. To hide behind children as an excuse to commit a crime is, to me, not the act of an adult.
To put this on a more personal note, i would kill for my son... and then turn myself in.
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I would think the penalty is deportation...but lets take a look at what that might mean in some cases....have these folks become parents while they were here...would deporting someone be depriving a family of the wage earner.These situations are not always cut and dried...yet beauracracies are very inept at seeing grey in situations....The law,when it is actually applied,is an unforgiving and unfeeling thing.
We are back to the argument on the other thread, mike. Should children become citizens simply because they are born on american soil to a parent here illegally? Do criminals deserve to benefit? This is a loop hole in the law that many take advantage of for just the reason you state. I can feel empathy without sympathy. I expect the same of the law.
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Same set of answers...with the addition of prosecuting the enticers(I am assuming we are referring to those who would entice in order to exploit...for these folks the full extent of the law...applied heartlessly would be the best route to go.Certainly I would have no sympathy for this scum).
On this i have no argument. I completely agree. Except we dont.
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Now, how do we determine who is who? Im really open to suggestions. I dont believe many of these illegals are criminals... however they have all committed crimes in merely being here. And this isnt a victimless crime.
Hard to do in an "open" society....I for one would be loath to accept the need for National Identity cards...it smacks of a police state.
And here is a part of the problem. Every solution that is brought up has someone claiming the same response. Its time to end the excuses and do something. Which is what i feel Az is forcing. The fed government to step up and take responsibility. Else, the states will.
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Nor do i suggest we hold only the illegals responsible. Businesses, government, even the public themselves who hire them are just as responsible. Its time we closed up the holes, dried up the employment well, and got our nation's house into order.
I agree with this.....with the proviso that one realises the economic cost that would be incurred here(again I'm not advocating the exploitation of immigrants...just drawing your attention to one of the consequences of a proposed path.
We all know the consequences. Businesses will use the immigration solutions, as they do everything else, to their advantage. Again, its up to the fed government to deal with this situation. New business models arent always bad things. Using people and treating them as "less" than those here legally is always a bad thing. I cannot advocate this behavior from businesses, nor can i settle back and smile at the knowledge that what rewards i am reaping by lower prices is based upon the sweat, hard work, and lack of respect of a race of people. In that, i liken it to slavery.
So, while you see only racism, i see a group of people, some i know personally, who are used for the simple fact that they can be bought cheaper. And if you believe they dont know that, you are mistaken. Many resent the fact that, while they have a better chance of a better life here, they dont have the equal chance the rest of us do for the same work. Sound familiar?
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