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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 11:43:16 PM   
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'Positive discrimination'....is whateverappliesist, and can only serve to breed resentment...something you guys don't need any more of. It goes against every relevant liberal fibre.

Most of the rest of his blathering seems to be the usual partisan shit of american politics though. I also now know what the hell you lot are talking about when you keep mentioning wasps. It is slightly more stupid than I had imagined.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:05:05 AM   
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I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:20:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


thank God. Please feel free to take wilbur with you.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:27:18 AM   
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http://www.alternet.org/story/35398/?comments=view&cID=112702&pID=112573

Discrimination: The Root of the Black Job Crisis
Nearly forty percent of young black males are unemployed. Not by choice; because employers refuse to hire them.

April 24, 2006 |
The battle continues to rage between economists, politicians, immigrants' rights activists, and black anti-immigration activists over whether illegal immigrants are the major cause of double-digit joblessness among poor, unskilled young black males.

But several years before the immigration combatants squared off, then-University of Wisconsin graduate researcher Devah Pager pointed the finger in another direction -- a direction that makes most employers squirm. That's the persistent and deep racial discrimination in the workplace. Pager found that black men without a criminal record are less likely to find a job than white men with criminal records

But in 2005, Pager, now a sociologist at Princeton, duplicated her study. She surveyed nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City. She used teams of black and white testers, standardized resumes, and she followed up their visits with telephone interviews with employers. These are the standard methods researchers use to test racial discrimination.

The results were exactly the same as in her earlier study. Black men with no criminal records were no more likely to find work than white men with criminal records. That's true despite the fact that New York has some of the nation's toughest laws against job discrimination



So what we see here is that even the toughest anti-discrimination laws don't do much to promote fairness for black men. The laws are not working as intended.

I would like to think that the market would eventually sort this all out. Firms who hire the most qualified people based only on ability would theoretically outperform competitors who discriminated based on race. The discriminatory competitors would be put out of business. Businesses would self-police because it is in their own self-interest to do so. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be working either, looking at the number of suits being won against discriminatory employers:

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/business/12fedex.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1279929743-bAPpZzmlwUMt1PLx3f2hbA

FedEx Settles Racial Discrimination Suit


By REUTERS
Published: April 12, 2007
CHICAGO, April 11 (Reuters) — The package delivery company FedEx said on Wednesday that it had agreed to settle a racial discrimination lawsuit against its express unit, FedEx Express, for $53.5 million.

The suit, filed in 2003, charged that FedEx Express discriminated against its African-American and Hispanic workers by passing them over for promotion, paying them less than white workers and treating them unfairly in evaluation and disciplinary proceedings.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/340087/how_racial_discrimination_cases_change.html?cat=17

How Racial Discrimination Cases Change the Fate of Prospective Employees

Despite the technological advancements and progress in social awareness that this country has made, we still have a long way to go in establishing equality among all races, classes, and genders. Discrimination and

prejudice stems from eons of cultural ideology in which one nationality or race deems themselves better than another. This is still alive in many facets of our daily lives, and sadly, one of those is in the realm of a necessity to a fruitful life: employment.

Landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment have catapulted our citizens into a state of heightened awareness. The traditional patriarchal view that in some ways recognize white men as the leaders in industry and economy (as well as intellect and ability) is thankfully dwindling due to some brave individuals who fought for the right to equal value and opportunities.

One such example of a landmark case on racial discrimination in employment is that of a group of former Walgreens employees versus their former employer. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission found that Walgreens employers had been assigning African Americans to lower performing stores in African American neighborhoods. Further violating Title VII of the Civil Rights Code, Walgreens denied promotions to non-white workers. The ensuing lawsuit against Walgreens resulted in a $20 million settlement.

These landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment can provide an insight into our social paradigms and help to swing the pendulum into a blind society where skin color and dimensions are not used as guidelines for employment or abilities.

In April of 2005, Judge Susan Illston of the US District Court for the Northern District of California deemed Abercrombie and Fitch guilty in racial discrimination against employees. The approved settlement stipulated that the retail chain pay out $40 million in damages to the claimants. As of now, Abercrombie and Fitch are under a consent decree to set benchmarks for hiring those of African American, Latino, or Asian decent as well as women.

The positive repercussions of this landmark case on racial discrimination in employment may indeed spur a more diverse employee base in one of North America's largest chain clothing stores. But this attention may also only serve to propagate the racial judgments that got them in this predicament in the first place.

Affirmative Action is a byproduct of these landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment. Some revel in the apparent equality that this measure summons, but others lament the requirement to hire on the basis of race and gender as they feel it presents a more invidious hiring approach and deepens resentment between racial groups.

Either way, it seems these landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment are deepening our awareness of workplace diversity as well as the legal implications of who hires whom.



So we see that the laws don't work as intended, nor is the market solving the problem. What now?

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The argument could be made to let the courts handle it once allegations of racial discrimination have come to light. However, for many small and large businesses the practice of hiring only whites is common place. They are probably never going to get caught but perhaps knowing that such laws exist might make them pause and reevaluate their hiring practices.

You give someone a "fair" interview but they simply never are going to get the job no matter their qualifications.


So if laws don't fix it, and the market doesn't fix it, and even though lots of employers are getting sued for it, its still happening, what should we do? Is there anything that we can really do? Certainly progress has been made with racism in the past 50 years. Is is possible that the only thing we can do is wait? Will it take another 50 years before discrimination in hiring is a thing of the past?

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Unlike racistjim this is an actual encounter that I will share with you. I run with a rough crowd. we don't pull punches and we call each other on our bullshit.

A good friend of mine owns a small financial advisory firm. He thinks that everything is hunky dory and that all affirmative action should be halted as it is no longer necessary and it only helps the unqualified gain employment. He is a Ronald Reagan loving conservative.

After making his statement another friend of ours mentioned that in all of the time that he has owned his firm that we have never noticed a dark complected face working for his firm. He asked what happens to the resumes of the Jamal Washingtons and the Latoya Parkers? My friend paused and then contritely said that they get thrown away.

We all said that he was an hypocritical asshole. He agreed.

It still doesn't change a damn thing.


Indeed.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:36:12 AM   
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Nondiscrimination laws should be applied equally among all citizens,


What a raaaaaacccciiiiiiissssssttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, "they" have overused the insult to the point of meaninglessness. Sticks and stones....

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:40:43 AM   
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the very presence of "liberal",or as some prefer,progressive ,ideology can only be arrived at through thinking and reasoning.


Liberalism is rooted in feeling.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:47:31 AM   
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Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.


I didn't have to notice; I knew, and I guess I figures others did too.

I think Fields of Fire is the best novel of Viet Nam ever written, btw.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:19:21 AM   
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When I need to fly, get my teeth fixed, have a kids appendix taken out, or get anyone of thousands of other things done, I want a fully competent person to give the job too, especially say, where surgery and medicine are concerned.

I want to know the physician got A grades at infant school, and again at middle school. I want to know also that he got a first, or at least a 1:2 at university, and that he has good aptitude for his field. I want to know his IQ is way above normal.

I want the best in clinical excellence, not just for me, but for all of us.

I do not want some AA dreamer behind the scalpel, simply because his hide is a pleasing shade to liberal enablers.

I have read of AAA pupils denied access to med school, to make way for CDD pupils, where the AAA pupils were denied this because their hides were white. The CDD pupils were accepted because their hides were brown. This had pleased the liberal selectors.

If anyone thinks that this is progress, then they really must be the deluded fools I think they are.

Positive discrimination is foolish and dangerous. Descrimination based on ability is not only acceptable, but necessary for the common good.

If those with dark hides do less well against those with pale and fawn skin then so be it. Clearly others are more worth candidates. This is not an example of racism. This is an example of selecting the most able.

Sits back quietly drumming his fingers, awaiting to hear the ridiculous charges of - Racist, nazi, bigot etc etc


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:42:59 AM   
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agreed. i am completely fine being passed over for a job if the other person can figuratively kick the snot out of my skills.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:47:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: splorff

When I need to fly, get my teeth fixed, have a kids appendix taken out, or get anyone of thousands of other things done, I want a fully competent person to give the job too, especially say, where surgery and medicine are concerned.

I want to know the physician got A grades at infant school, and again at middle school. I want to know also that he got a first, or at least a 1:2 at university, and that he has good aptitude for his field. I want to know his IQ is way above normal.

I want the best in clinical excellence, not just for me, but for all of us.

I do not want some AA dreamer behind the scalpel, simply because his hide is a pleasing shade to liberal enablers.

I have read of AAA pupils denied access to med school, to make way for CDD pupils, where the AAA pupils were denied this because their hides were white. The CDD pupils were accepted because their hides were brown. This had pleased the liberal selectors.

If anyone thinks that this is progress, then they really must be the deluded fools I think they are.

Positive discrimination is foolish and dangerous. Descrimination based on ability is not only acceptable, but necessary for the common good.

If those with dark hides do less well against those with pale and fawn skin then so be it. Clearly others are more worth candidates. This is not an example of racism. This is an example of selecting the most able.

Sits back quietly drumming his fingers, awaiting to hear the ridiculous charges of - Racist, nazi, bigot etc etc




Would that be anything like a certain former President getting a legacy admission to Yale despite his subpar grades?

But hey, that Presidency thing is no big deal.

A child could do it.

Hell, an overgrown child did do it.


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 5:03:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


The bleeding heart liberal instinct is one of feeling, not reasoning. It is an ideology based on "awwwww." It is only when thought comes into play that we get questions like, "is that ice thick enough?," or, "how are we gonna pay for this, exactly?," or, the always popular, "are you fucking stupid?,". Those are conservative questions.


No shit Richie?

Well you certainly are a "thinking conservative".

Unfortunately, your thinking is as distorted as most conservatives.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 5:04:04 AM   
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its still legacy-and how ever much the family has donated to the school. i sit beside several races of legacy students that without their family's name and/or cash, they wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of scrubbing the floors, let alone attend as a student.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 5:17:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


I'm pretty sure everyone noticed he was a Democrat.

Was that a relevant point?

Or are you claiming that Republicans are racist?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 5:50:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


I'm pretty sure everyone noticed he was a Democrat.

Was that a relevant point?

Or are you claiming that Republicans are racist?



Webb is a Democrat in a state that has swung to the Right and so he is employing a little of the "Southern Strategy" that first emerged in Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign. By sowing the seeds of fear and discontent over reverse racism you harvest the votes of older white guys and on the margin that is enough to win elections when other classes stay home. The "strategy" is alive and prospering in the Tea Party Movement.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:01:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while



I really am suprised you think anyone would care what party someone belongs to.

Granted there are a few dogmatic fucks here, but most really don't care.

Enjoy your dogma and drink fluids!

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:13:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

No it was unintentional.

I don't care what anyone says. It is better to wake up in America as a white male than anything else.



I would like to wake up next to goldie hawn and it would not make a bit of difference what color I was

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:15:44 AM   
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Dude.... goldie is older than you and pretty rough looking.....


but hey, it's your kink!

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:37:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Dude.... goldie is older than you and pretty rough looking.....


but hey, it's your kink!



So is susan sarandon but I would do her in a heart beat also...but then I am old and kinda rough looking also.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:40:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

Nathan bedford forrest was a democrat also. In case you forgot he started the kkk.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

The reason you seldom post anymore is because everytime you do someone kicks your ass so bad you can't walk.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 7:05:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Dude.... goldie is older than you and pretty rough looking.....


but hey, it's your kink!


Now come on.

This is rough looking?




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