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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 7:37:48 PM

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Oh, and btw, I don't have a profile that tells racists to fuck off for shits and giggles, once men find out I am an anthropologist I have to hear them blather on about racist bullshit, so I thought I would head them off at the pass and tell them to "fuck off" before they even tried

Whereas *I* make sure to never mention anything about myself and simply lie in wait for their shitty racist side to come out so I can then surprise them with serious anthropological debate for which they are poorly prepared.

I call it, 'surprise attack of intelligence'. It's fun to watch helpless racists drown in their own insupportable idiocy while I stand above them armed and loaded. It's not fair really. But it's fun.

I have no time for that. I am here to have productive conversations on the other side. You are younger than I, perhaps you do not feel the sense of urgency I do

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 6:10:54 AM

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There is no doubt in my mind that truckinslave would not hire someone or fire a person due to their race

That accusation is both incorrect and baseless.

Why?

You've already admitted to firing people based on how they vote.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 6:15:22 AM

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He doesn't seem shy about it.

Not shy about much. Did it. Quite happy to have done it. When/if I hire again I will ask applicants if they are registered voters, and of what party.
And I will have my own little affirmative action program for those registered Republican.

And you'll get your ass sued and wind up losing your company.

But it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 6:26:00 AM

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Were you not just recently telling us of how you fired employees because they voted for someone you disliked.

Seriously?

Seriously.

If I find the energy to pull up the quotes I will.

But I think enough people on here can verify that Truckin has claimed to have fired anyone working for him that voted for Obama.

How he would know that is anyone's guess.

But ask him.

He doesn't seem shy about it.

Here it is:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3150606

Prick.

I hope you mean him.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 6:57:20 AM

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Does it settle the fact we have a bunch of old white men screaming racism?

Because apparently white men have faced a lifetime of discrimination by the black oppressors.

You are aware that these "old white men" aren't going to change their collective, or individual minds simply because the government legislates it, right?

Most legislation that we presently have and the way it's written inspires resistance to the very subject matter its intended to address. No one, white, black or any pigment likes to be forced to accept anything.

You know what changes my mind about a man (gender neutral)? He does, his actions, ability and the legacy that he himself inspires. Kind of like Martain Luther King Junior said, judge a man on his character, not the color of his skin(paraphrased).

I don't know the answer for this racist thing for other men, I can only speak for myself. I work with any man or woman that can fit the bill. It's obvious that the present laws do as much to promote strife as they do to combat it. So we need to collectively put much more thought into the psychology of this issue, from all sides.

I suggest we work and consider other methods to inspire social balance, what I see now in society is the same thing I see on these boards with regard to the wingers, neither side is after a harmonious conclusion, they seek the upper hand or the ability to determine the social and power-broker answers that others must accept.

This can't be a political issue if we really want it to addressed at it's core, it has to be an issue of compassion and conscience on all sides; give and take must be experienced by all sides involved. Until then it's just an issue for the politicians to use in order to gain voter support. And considering it's a useful tool for them, do any of you really think they want to solve the problem?

You raise a number of issues Bull.

My comment was intended to question why we suddenly are having these discussions about racism, not racism in general but racism toward whites.

Doesn't that strike you as a little odd and coincidental after we elected a black President?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:03:12 AM

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What's the matter, Rulie? Won't anybody come out and play with you?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:11:18 AM

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What's the matter, Rulie? Won't anybody come out and play with you?

Would you play with me Richie?

I get sort of tired of playing with myself.

You know, the same hand over and over again.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:13:01 AM

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My comment was intended to question why we suddenly are having these discussions about racism, not racism in general but racism toward whites.

Doesn't that strike you as a little odd and coincidental after we elected a black President?

I remember hearing discussions like these way before Obama was elected.

Anti-racism talk tends to be very anti-white in its sentiment. I've heard it expressed that to be white is to be racist, that white identity is based in racism and oppression, that white privilege means that all white people are automatically participating in an oppressive system as the oppressors...it's really not surprising that when a race of people is vilified they also feel victimized.

If white people are just now talking about anti-white prejudice it's likely because they've only just begun to experience it.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:19:37 AM

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Of course, it's also possible that a lot of white people find it easier to whine about affirmative action and use that as an excuse than they do to make themselves more employable.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:21:17 AM

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My comment was intended to question why we suddenly are having these discussions about racism, not racism in general but racism toward whites.

Doesn't that strike you as a little odd and coincidental after we elected a black President?

I remember hearing discussions like these way before Obama was elected.

Anti-racism talk tends to be very anti-white in its sentiment. I've heard it expressed that to be white is to be racist, that white identity is based in racism and oppression, that white privilege means that all white people are automatically participating in an oppressive system as the oppressors...it's really not surprising that when a race of people is vilified they also feel victimized.

If white people are just now talking about anti-white prejudice it's likely because they've only just begun to experience it.

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

"I remember hearing discussions like these way before Obama was elected."

"If white people are just now talking about anti-white prejudice it's likely because they've only just begun to experience it".

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:23:00 AM

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Doesn't that strike you as a little odd and coincidental after we elected a black President?

Your point would indeed strike me as "suspicious" if not for a couple of considerations.

During his campaign President Obama mentioned that you should judge a man by the company that he keeps.

So it's his "company" and their comments, moreso than he that has me scratching my head wondering a thing or two.

But if you remember, I made a comment or two around election time, President Obama will have to, like Jackie Robinson, do it better and withstand more scrutiny than any of his predecessors. This fact most likely wasn't fair to Jackie and isn't fair to our President but reality often enough is void of fairness and when a man is up to the challange, as was Mr. Robinson, the results inspire wonderful things.

To this point I see American divides widening as opposed to shrinking, and that weighs heavy on my heart, look at how many issues (even beyond race) in this country that have discovered an increased seperation over the past 18 months (give or take a month or so).

"United We Stand"..... President Obama claimed a deep affection for President Lincoln, ironically, at least at this point, in some ways it appears they are having differed results. (In fairness though it did take President Lincoln until the end of his presidency, and in fact the end of his life to re-unite the Union.)

Consider this fact, the African American vote was most likely very important to our current President, but he had no chance of obtaining his current office if he had not recieved a large segment of the white vote, now this vote would have been gotten without a legal mandate, so I suspect the Archie Bunkers of America have shrunken by number in no small measure. And on the contrary there is a growing murmur that the George Jefferson family has been growing in volume.

However if you ask me, personally I believe the growing decent in America has a lot more to do with underhanded politics and greed than it does race.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:24:32 AM

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Of course, it's also possible that a lot of white people find it easier to whine about affirmative action and use that as an excuse than they do to make themselves more employable.

Lots of people find it easier to feel oppressed than to proactively improve their lives.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:26:54 AM

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Didn't you just contradict yourself?

"I remember hearing discussions like these way before Obama was elected."

"If white people are just now talking about anti-white prejudice it's likely because they've only just begun to experience it".

Not in my own head, probably in the way I expressed it.

What I meant was the idea of "anti white racism" has been on the internet for a long time, since way before 2008, and as it's filtering into the mainstream it's getting the same reactions, but on a larger scale.

Yeah the tea party didn't exist in 2005 but back then how many people used the phrase "white privilege" as common parlance?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:40:00 AM

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Didn't you just contradict yourself?

"I remember hearing discussions like these way before Obama was elected."

"If white people are just now talking about anti-white prejudice it's likely because they've only just begun to experience it".

Not in my own head, probably in the way I expressed it.

What I meant was the idea of "anti white racism" has been on the internet for a long time, since way before 2008, and as it's filtering into the mainstream it's getting the same reactions, but on a larger scale.

Yeah the tea party didn't exist in 2005 but back then how many people used the phrase "white privilege" as common parlance?

President Kennedy famously asked white America to examine it's soul in '63.He framed the civil rights movement as a moral question and asked that Americans(white) ask themselves a simple question.....(parephrased) how would they feel about being black in America.
To me that is still the simplest litmus test for "white privilege"....and still a test that honest and introspective Americans(white) can reach only one conclusion.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:45:40 AM

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President Kennedy famously asked white America to examine it's soul in '63.He framed the civil rights movement as a moral question and asked that Americans(white) ask themselves a simple question.....(parephrased) how would they feel about being black in America.
To me that is still the simplest litmus test for "white privilege"....and still a test that honest and introspective Americans(white) can reach only one conclusion.

This is a great point....

I would think it important to consider the answer that a white man might have given and the reasons for it in 1963 versus the answer he might afford you and the reasons for it today. Change may not be immediate in such instances, but it seems white America has been, for the most part living up to President Kennedy's challange.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 8:55:08 AM

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Really Bull....yes laws have changed...but as you posited a few posts ago changing laws does not change attitudes.Hell in that post you pretty much implied that forcing a man to change simply makes those behaviors more resistant to change.
For my money it is still far better to be white in America than to be black...were this not true race would not be occupying so much of the national dialogue.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 9:07:18 AM

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Sorry I missed your well explained response DG, and it was at the top of the page too.

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You make feel that we have come far enough where such programs are no longer necessary... I just tend to disagree on this point and I believe I have supplied enough information to make my case.

Actually I don't believe we have come far enough with regards to race relations. But we have come to a point where the current laws, mandates and regulations need to be improved, readdressed and rewritten to advances us beyond their shortcomings.

I think things are better on the whole, but still a long ways from what should be our goals or objectives, but this issue is no longer simply the "white man's priviledge and errors" are causing the issues that hold us back.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 9:16:10 AM

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Really Bull....yes laws have changed...but as you posited a few posts ago changing laws does not change attitudes.Hell in that post you pretty much implied that forcing a man to change simply makes those behaviors more resistant to change.
For my money it is still far better to be white in America than to be black...were this not true race would not be occupying so much of the national dialogue.

I hope you didn't miss my point, I wasn't implying that all is well; I was implying that we have come to a better place than which we were at. But I believe that has more to do with education and personal choice than it has to do with legality.

Concurrently, I think that leaders making statements and setting an example as did President Kennedy goes alot further on a personal level than does some cold print witnessed on some legal document.

As far as changing the laws, my perspective is that they should be changed to fit the current environment and attitudes. Just using the example of the white firefighters that DG illustrated shows where we need to improve the laws in order to stop legal issues from contributing to advancing hostile attitudes as opposed to rectifying a negative situation.

Just my opinion.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/25/2010 10:14:15 AM

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Oh, and btw, I don't have a profile that tells racists to fuck off for shits and giggles, once men find out I am an anthropologist I have to hear them blather on about racist bullshit, so I thought I would head them off at the pass and tell them to "fuck off" before they even tried

Whereas *I* make sure to never mention anything about myself and simply lie in wait for their shitty racist side to come out so I can then surprise them with serious anthropological debate for which they are poorly prepared.

I call it, 'surprise attack of intelligence'. It's fun to watch helpless racists drown in their own insupportable idiocy while I stand above them armed and loaded. It's not fair really. But it's fun.

I have no time for that. I am here to have productive conversations on the other side. You are younger than I, perhaps you do not feel the sense of urgency I do

lol, trust me Id *much* rather spend that time chatting with men who aren't idiots and pricks, but seeing as though no matter what I write on my profile they come around anyway, I may as well amuse myself making fun of them, or sometimes even (if I'm feeling magnanimous

) enlightening them.

For intelligent discussion, eh. Not that easy to find in the emails. That's why I've sort of migrated to the boards.

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