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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:22:42 AM   
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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:23:18 AM   
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It violates their constitutional rights.


It is legal to discriminate in any situation, and for any criterion, not made specifically illegal.
Hiring/firing by political affiliation or (suspected) voting is not proscribed.


Are you really this stupid?

I was going to provide you with citations but then realized who does not know that it is illegal to fire someone on that basis?

Too bad the people that worked for you didn't realize they could be owning your ass by now




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Can you show me the law, the case law, or even a considered legal opinion?

No?


Can you show me the law, the case law, or even a considered legal opinion?

No?

So, settle for calling me names. I left the playground a long time ago.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:23:35 AM   
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but hey, who would want to work for a fucking slime anyhow? Unprincipaled pissant.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal. However it would be totally unenforceable, since if he finds out someone is a Democrat, there will be many other legal reasons to not hire or fire them.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:24:15 AM   
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It is a system where a certain category of people are favored at the expense of others.


ANY system beyond a random draw doea that. When hospitals hire doctors they favor the class of people that have graduated from law school.

I'm not defending legacy admissions per se. But the thought that they are the same thing as race-based admissions is not well considered.


What drugs are you taking?

Why would hospitals hire doctors from law school?

Wouldn't that make them lawyers?


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:24:42 AM   
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Makes me happy I don't live in W.VA.


There are times, Jeffff, when what makes you happy makes me elated.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:25:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff
I can see Rich cringing everything trukinslave posts.





I must have missed that thread. I think I would have fully endorsed those employees suing his ass all the way down to hitchhikingslave.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:25:46 AM   
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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal. However it would be totally unenforceable, since if he finds out someone is a Democrat, there will be many other legal reasons to not hire or fire them.


Well, if we find out who he fired, we will supply them with the emails.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:25:54 AM   
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I am......stunned.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:26:38 AM   
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http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html


but hey, who would want to work for a fucking slime anyhow? Unprincipaled pissant.


Thank you for doing- and especially posting- the research.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:27:51 AM   
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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal.


Show me.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:28:54 AM   
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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:29:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff
I can see Rich cringing everything trukinslave posts.





I must have missed that thread. I think I would have fully endorsed those employees suing his ass all the way down to hitchhikingslave.


Rich, while you and I disagree on politics, you aren't an asshole....LOL


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:33:15 AM   
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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal.


Show me.


http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:38:20 AM   
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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal.


Show me.


http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

From your link, which was both previously supplied, and, evidently, unread by you:

Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:

harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information; and
denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group.
Employers are required to post notices to all employees advising them of their rights under the laws EEOC enforces and their right to be free from retaliation. Such notices must be accessible, as needed, to persons with visual or other disabilities that affect reading.

Note: Many states and municipalities also have enacted protections against discrimination and harassment based on sexual orientation, status as a parent, marital status and political affiliation. For information, please contact the EEOC District Office nearest you.

Pretty much clears me on the federal level, uh? Ready to try for state?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:41:48 AM   
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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal. However it would be totally unenforceable, since if he finds out someone is a Democrat, there will be many other legal reasons to not hire or fire them.


So what you are saying is that firing someone because you do not like their political preferences is ok as long as you can skirt the laws prohibiting it.

I certainly would not have have expected more from you.





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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:43:41 AM   
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Statutory exceptions

Although all U.S. states have a number of statutory protections for employees, most wrongful termination suits brought under statutory causes of action use the federal anti-discrimination statutes which prohibit firing or refusing to hire an employee because of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, or handicap status. Other reasons an employer may not use to fire an at-will employee are:
for refusing to commit illegal acts – An employer is not permitted to fire an employee because the employee refuses to commit an act that is illegal.
family or medical leave – federal law permits most employees to take a leave of absence for specific family or medical problems. An employer is not permitted to fire an employee who takes family or medical leave for a reason outlined in the Family and Medical Leave Act.
not following own termination procedures – often, the employee handbook or company policy outlines a procedure that must be followed before an employee is terminated. If the employer fires an employee without following this procedure, the employee may have a claim for wrongful termination.
Examples of federal statutes include:
Equal Pay Act of 1963 (relating to discrimination on the basis of sex in payment of wages);
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (relating to discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin);
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of age with respect to persons of at least 40 years of age);
Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (related to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status);
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (relating to certain discrimination on the basis of handicap status).
The National Labor Relations Act provides protection to employees who wish to join or form a union and those who engage in union activity. The act also protects employees who engage in a "concerted activity".[17]
In addition to being fired based on status in a protected class (race, gender, etc.), employers are not allowed to retaliate against any protected action. "Protected actions" include suing for wrongful termination, testifying as a witness in a wrongful termination case, or even opposing what they believe (whether they can prove it or not) to be wrongful discrimination.[18] In the recent federal case of Ross v. Vanguard, Raymond Ross successfully sued his employer for firing him due to his allegations of racial discrimination.[19]



I hope Firm and other people who believe that affirmative action policies are unjust are reading this.

There is no doubt in my mind that truckinslave would not hire someone or fire a person due to their race if it was not listed as an illegal practice.

He probably still would because he has no regard for anyone but himself and could never be around someone that might ever confront his own fragile ideology.


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:44:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Of course discrimination based on political affiliation is illegal.


Show me.


http://www.eeoc.gov/facts/qanda.html

From your link, which was both previously supplied, and, evidently, unread by you:

Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:

harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, or age;
retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities, or based on myths or assumptions about an individual's genetic information; and
denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability. Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group.
Employers are required to post notices to all employees advising them of their rights under the laws EEOC enforces and their right to be free from retaliation. Such notices must be accessible, as needed, to persons with visual or other disabilities that affect reading.

Note: Many states and municipalities also have enacted protections against discrimination and harassment based on sexual orientation, status as a parent, marital status and political affiliation. For information, please contact the EEOC District Office nearest you.

Pretty much clears me on the federal level, uh? Ready to try for state?



My bad....there is a later mention in the same link but it only applies to the CSRA. And it looks like only DC, NY and Puerto Rico have state laws against it.

But as I said..even if prohibited, find out someones a Dem and there will be plenty of reasons to justify they are incapable of doing the job...like lack of intelligence.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:46:41 AM   
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I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


I'm pretty sure everyone noticed he was a Democrat.

Was that a relevant point?

Or are you claiming that Republicans are racist?



Webb is a Democrat in a state that has swung to the Right and so he is employing a little of the "Southern Strategy" that first emerged in Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign. By sowing the seeds of fear and discontent over reverse racism you harvest the votes of older white guys and on the margin that is enough to win elections when other classes stay home. The "strategy" is alive and prospering in the Tea Party Movement.

Va, with voting in two dem senators and Obama is turning left of center. Many are sorry already they now have a repub governor. Like far too many...he looked at the fiscal numbers...and lies right straight through his teeth.

You cannot find a happier person than a Virginian who just loves the 1 term limit.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 9:52:30 AM   
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http://www.lawmemo.com/101/2005/12/discharge_in_vi_1.html

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