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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 11:58:21 AM   
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What they are designed to do is end one set of racist conditions. perhaps they are racist in their wording or their implementation.

I can live with it.



I have a question with the comment that has been highlighted.

Is this an admission that selective racism is OK?



Of course it is. That is the only possible justification for what is discriminatory on its face.



Thanks for you answer Willbeurdaddy, but I would really like DG to answer for himself, if he would.


Greetings Bull.

Please go back to my lengthy post that shows some statistics on the hiring practice and just a few of the racial discrimination lawsuits that have recently been filed and won.

Also please read truckinslave's post where he fired two people based solely upon their political affiliations.


In the "lengthy" post, I referred to a personal experience about a friend that owns a small firm that admitted to not considering the applications or the resumes of those whose names were of a certain ethnicity.

You make feel that we have come far enough where such programs are no longer necessary... I just tend to disagree on this point and I believe I have supplied enough information to make my case.

Can laws that promote one set of Americans of another be construed as racist?...Sure. Are they still necessary? Absolutely, as long as people like truckinslave, my friend, and others who will not consider hiring someone because of race or based on an ideology.

It might be a poor analogy but some laws are in place to protect the "greater" good. Seat belts, motor cycle helmets etc. why these laws are necessary because people left to their own devices far too often will utilize very a very ill conceived thought process to the actions that they chose to place into practice.

Here is an article that points out how it can be perverted....

Chicago Reverse Discrimination News


White Chicago Firefighters Win Reverse Discrimination Suit for $2.3 Million or More! (05/18/02)

CHICAGO [AP]-- "Nine white firefighters won more than $2.3 million in back pay and damages because their scores on a lieutenant's test were lowered 16 years ago because the city wanted to promote minorities.

"A federal jury found Friday [May 17, 2002] that eight of the men would have attained the rank of captain by now if they hadn't been passed over, and at least three of the men would have been promoted to battalion chief after promotional exams this past February.
"The city lowered the scores of white firefighters to even the results of what was believed to be a racially biased test in a practice called "race norming" - made illegal by the 1991 Civil Rights Act. In 2000, a jury found the test fair and that the city erred in lowering the scores of whites."


It would be wonderful to live in a world where these measures are no longer necessary. But that day has not quite arrived.

I believe that the best and the most qualified candidate should always get the job never to be based upon a person's ethnicity.

While we can complain about the handful of stories where whites feel they have been slighted by the policies of affirmative action I am 100% confident that number pales to those that have been dismissed from being even considered for a job or actually removed or had their progress thwarted solely based upon their ethnicity.

I have personally heard far too many stories that don't make it to the media about these events transpiring.

Looking from the outside in it is a very easy notion to believe that everything is grand and that we all have an equal shot at the prize. Unfortunately, that is not yet the case

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 12:36:21 PM   
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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 12:41:00 PM   
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dont know who you are refering, but it sounds like some whites also get an unfair hand up. That stinks in my nose just as bad.
Was it George Dubya ? He cant have been a dummy, didn't he get to fly navy ?


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:01:24 PM   
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We have a black president. I think that settles it.



Only if he gets re-elected. Anybody who doesn't vote for him in '12 is a racist, and if he loses, it's because we are all racists.


Firm, I saw Webb's article and hoped it would be one of the thinking conservatives here who posted it. Thanks.

One point where I completely agree with him is in the assertion that racial preferences and set asides only serve to perpetuate racist attitudes, and push them forward onto the following generations.


He won't be re-elected but not because of racism. It'll be because of incompetance, not listening to the American People and a,.....for want of a better term, "depression".


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 1:29:38 PM   
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Not sure if this has been brought up,Firms threads are so borrrrrring.

But what race did RED LINING (<---link) privilege?


I await Firms`s prevaricating response.


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:01:32 PM   
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Not sure if this has been brought up,Firms threads are so borrrrrring.

But what race did RED LINING (<---link) privilege?


I await Firms`s prevaricating response.



why would he respond to something that is about an illegal activity that has no bearing on AA?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:08:52 PM   
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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:24:24 PM   
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He won't be re-elected but not because of racism. It'll be because of incompetance, not listening to the American People and a,.....for want of a better term, "depression".




Right. And it will be racist of us not to waive those considerations because he is black. This is the "new" racial harmony. We HAVE to treat people differently if their skin color is different.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:50:40 PM   
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Obama hasn`t injected race into the dialog.

That`s been coming from you rightists.

The cry-baby cry wolf act is getting old.

Get a set of balls and debate the topics and leave your strange and imature racial theories to your circle-jerk buddies.





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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 2:55:14 PM   
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So, two questions:
1.  Is James Webb a racist?

2.  Why do you think he would espouse such a goal, especially now?

Any other (reasonable) comments welcome.

Let's try to hold down the unthinking partisan attacks for this thread though, shall we?


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:08:46 PM   
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This thread saddens me....


You know what? For those of you that don't believe in racism in this society need to have been emailed by the bigoted bastards that live in Orange County and in the Santa Barbara area who get nasty with me when they find out what I do...

Most of the white men in my age group are a buncha whiny-assed bigoted bastards. Fuck them. White people tend to get their sphincter muscles clinched when they have to deal with the idea that their privilege is coming to an end. This is my experience with many white people I know in general outside of my academic career. It is true of my racist brothers, uncles, and other assorted relatives.

Beyond the fact that racism and sexism is a prevalent problem this country, it is not just an individual problem, it is a structural one. Why do women have to spend more on medical insurance, why are the diseases that impact us not funded? Why are medical studies performed on men as if they are the same as women? Why are diseases that impact minority communities not studied as much as the ones that impact white men? Why are minority populations impacted by industrial pollution more than white ones? This is just a partial list of the inequalities within the structure of our society...

I get that there are some very racist people in this country, and yes that is a problem that we still need to address, but the more insidious problem is those who truly think that racism doesn't keep people down because of the "gains" we have made, and we have become a more tolerant country, a better country, but thinking we have come far enough just isn't true, and people can be blind to the structural forms of racism, but that means they are tolerating it.

Here is a question for all of you, why do we have "Black History Month"? Black history is all of our history, it should be taught all year long. I think that in our belief that we are "doing enough" to make this a country without racism, in some ways we are giving this false impression we have gotten places we haven't because we "gave" them their own Martin Luther King Jr Day and we gave them their Caesar Chavez Day and we "gave" them an entire month... and that is really fucking pathetic in my mind... how about we give all people equal consideration all year long

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:13:44 PM   
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I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while


I'm pretty sure everyone noticed he was a Democrat.

Was that a relevant point?

Or are you claiming that Republicans are racist?




Whats partisan about it? You declared it a partisan post. And several of your 'allies" started attacking the GOP, so they (o59 was the first) obviously thought he was a Republican. Which again demonstrates your inability to grasp the words you read. It is a demonstrated fact that several of you Democrats thought he was a Republican. So while you may be pretty sure, you are in fact 100% incorrect. as you are on most things

If it's racist it is a racist Democrat saying it.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:19:56 PM   
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I am not sure if it is funnier that owner59 thinks I am someone else. (He brings the same brainless crap fed to him by others, to his politics.)

Or if it is funnier that not a single one of you dimwits noticed Webb is a Democrat, not a Republican.

Nathan bedford forrest was a democrat also. In case you forgot he started the kkk.

This is why I seldom post anymore. Idiots with out a clue patting each other on the back, afraid to actually debate.

The reason you seldom post anymore is because everytime you do someone kicks your ass so bad you can't walk.

I have a cold so was on today, might be tomorow, then I doubt youll see me for a while





Ohh you kicked my ass.... what a dumbass. enjoy the threads troll....




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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:21:10 PM   
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Obama hasn`t injected race into the dialog.




Nope. He's trying to keep his powder dry for '12. You, as in you directly, Basiji, and all your little butt-buddies from the Basij clubhouse though, just can't seem to hold your water.

Why are you trying to cost him re-election?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:24:34 PM   
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Then explain to me how legacy admissions differ.


1. They are not based on race.
2. They are not enforced at great expense by the federal fucking government.
3. They are not, insofar as I know, a de facto quota system.

I'm not saying I think they're great. But to say they are the same thing is not to have given the matter any thought.


It is a system where a certain category of people are favored at the expense of others.

So let's talk about that whole thought thingy.




Nope legacy admissions are not based on catagories of people, but on specific individuals.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:26:27 PM   
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There is no doubt in my mind that truckinslave would not hire someone or fire a person due to their race


That accusation is both incorrect and baseless.



You're kidding right? You might want to look up the definition of "baseless"


Don't need to look it up.
You need to back up the charge.
Which you can't; you're just calling names.....

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:30:08 PM   
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Bullshit...complete and utter bullshit.

The right to vote is sacrosanct.

You are an asshole and it is ILLEGAL to do that.



Glad to know you will stand with us in opposing Obama's Employee Free Choice Act. or is a secret ballot only sacrosant, when it works in your favor?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:32:03 PM   
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If you would fire someone or not hire them due to their political affiliations I have no doubt that you would discriminate based upon race.


I have not asked about your doubts or lack thereof. You may have no doubt you live on the moon, and the IRS is based on Mars.
I have asked another poster to find any evidence of racism in anything I have posted.
He cannot. You cannot. It's not there to find.

P.S. I'm strong enough to survive your thinking I look weak. The world, outside my wife and family, can think it for all I care. Their opinions count. Yours don't. Call me some more names now, hurl some more personal insults; no doubt you think it makes you look strong.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:32:53 PM   
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Bullshit...complete and utter bullshit.

The right to vote is sacrosanct.

You are an asshole and it is ILLEGAL to do that.



Glad to know you will stand with us in opposing Obama's Employee Free Choice Act. or is a secret ballot only sacrosant, when it works in your favor?


You do understand the difference between voting in elections in the United States for our government and voting for a union, right? One is not a sacrosanct right, and the other is.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:37:04 PM   
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Bullshit...complete and utter bullshit.

The right to vote is sacrosanct.

You are an asshole and it is ILLEGAL to do that.



Glad to know you will stand with us in opposing Obama's Employee Free Choice Act. or is a secret ballot only sacrosant, when it works in your favor?


You do understand the difference between voting in elections in the United States for our government and voting for a union, right? One is not a sacrosanct right, and the other is.


They both should be.


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