British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill

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Brain -> British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/24/2010 8:54:34 PM)
They knew they were taking short cuts and didn’t care as long as they were exceeding profit expectations. These guys that run corporations and cut corners killing people are never held accountable just like Bush, Cheney, Libby and others in government who do wrong. British Petroleum’s Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill Although the organized criminal activity statute, frequently known as RICO, permits the prosecutions of individuals who did not commit any discrete criminal act, but oversaw an organization that committed criminal acts, it is nevertheless hard to prove that executives for example Hayward knew that his group was engaged in criminality. Notably, one of the operators on the Deepwater Horizon on the night it exploded, has invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege not to incriminate himself when called to testify before Congress. I suspect that individuals working on that particular well had serious concerns about the safety of the operation and knew corners were being cut. I will not be surprised if further investigation results in the prosecution of these individuals. I will be surprised, however, if the government can show BP executives in Houston or London were aware of these specific problems. http://www.brodenmickelsen.com/blog/british-petroleums-criminal-liability-for-the-gulf-oil-spill/

DCWoody -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/24/2010 9:22:36 PM)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Hayward's the wrong guy....he was chosen specifically to sort out the safety mess BP was/is in, his whole tenure has been a safety drive....you need the previous guy.....whos been given a peerage so is unpressurable...so, Hayward's fucked. I imagine the main reason the govt will struggle to show the top executives were aware of conditions on a specific rig is because they obviously wouldn't have been...

Brain -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/24/2010 11:06:08 PM)
I didn’t say it was Hayward – I didn’t say anybody. I am saying go after whoever and everyone responsible. No, they knew but it’s hard to prove. quote: obviously wouldn't have been...

DarkSteven -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 2:20:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I didn’t say it was Hayward – I didn’t say anybody. I am saying go after whoever and everyone responsible. No, they knew but it’s hard to prove. Brain, he IS responsible. He was the head of a company that committed the act. As CEO, he is responsible. That's how the law works. I agree with willbe in that he was trying to turn around a bad corporate culture, but under US law he is liable. You do realize that whatever definition you may hold of the term "responsible" will be overridden by US law in the event of a conflict?

crazyml -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 4:25:27 AM)
Guys... Don't forget TransOcean, Hallibiurton and the other contractors. Yes, BP is "responsible" no doubts there. But BP will go after Transocean (the operator) and Halliburton (the company whose employees actually caused the spill - whether under pressure from BP or Transocean or not). This is going to be a legal liability bunfest.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 7:00:56 AM)
Just wondering here....... If it wasn't for the fact that the US mid term elections are coming up, would America be as vociferous on this disaster as it is ? With the elections coming, could it be seen as the politicicians are making so much noise because they are using the disaster to promote their own careers ? In which case do they really give a shit, I mean it's not in their back yard, hardly affecting them, do they really care beyond what it can do for them. And this apparent British bashing, is there more to this than the fact that BP used to be British Petroleum and the Megrahi affair, could there be an ingrained dislike for the British from the past or is it certain politicians are creating memory for the Boston tea party and subsequent events to make political gain, in the case of look what the British did then and look what they have done now. But as regards to friends (?) British bashing, it gets reported over here too, we also hear it all and questions have already been raised over this special relationship the two nations are supposed to have, so much so PM Cameron has tried to tell us not to fret over what is being said about us, but PM Cameron, is not us, we have our own minds.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 7:30:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Just wondering here....... If it wasn't for the fact that the US mid term elections are coming up, would America be as vociferous on this disaster as it is ? With the elections coming, could it be seen as the politicicians are making so much noise because they are using the disaster to promote their own careers ? In which case do they really give a shit, I mean it's not in their back yard, hardly affecting them, do they really care beyond what it can do for them. And this apparent British bashing, is there more to this than the fact that BP used to be British Petroleum and the Megrahi affair, could there be an ingrained dislike for the British from the past or is it certain politicians are creating memory for the Boston tea party and subsequent events to make political gain, in the case of look what the British did then and look what they have done now. But as regards to friends (?) British bashing, it gets reported over here too, we also hear it all and questions have already been raised over this special relationship the two nations are supposed to have, so much so PM Cameron has tried to tell us not to fret over what is being said about us, but PM Cameron, is not us, we have our own minds. Are you fucking serious? Do you have absolutely any concept of the damage that has been done to the Gulf and to the neighboring states? Yeah, it's just British-bashing. You used to have a degree of common sense but you've sunk to the level of the other conspiracy theorists on here.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 10:28:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Are you fucking serious? Do you have absolutely any concept of the damage that has been done to the Gulf and to the neighboring states? Yeah, it's just British-bashing. You used to have a degree of common sense but you've sunk to the level of the other conspiracy theorists on here. Despite the obvious enviromental damage, Aneirin makes a valid point. Politicians in the US make constant references to British Petroleum, this is despite the fact it dropped the "british" from its name when it merged with American oil companies. It is also 40% owned by Americans, with the work on the well being carried out by American firms, under direction from BP`s American arm. More Americans than British work for BP. Even the current row about Libya and Megrahi seems ungenuine to me. BP signed the deal to drill for oil in 2007, well before any release was thought of. In fact BP are on the executive advisory council of the US-Libya business association, along with several american oil firms, many of which have signed contracts with Libya. Despite all that many Senators are now making a point about BP being British. It just stinks of hypocracy watching US firms and politicians running for cover. None of what I have written is meant to detract from the enviromental disaster, its just a take on the business and political side of things. Edited to fix quotes.

thishereboi -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:00:04 AM)
quote: Are you fucking serious? Do you have absolutely any concept of the damage that has been done to the Gulf and to the neighboring states? Yeah, it's just British-bashing. You used to have a degree of common sense but you've sunk to the level of the other conspiracy theorists on here. < Message edited by rulemylife -- 7/25/2010 10:32:38 AM > What I find amusing is the two posters claiming this are both ones who seem to love bashing the US. All we need now is moony to come in and tell us how he agrees with them.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:06:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain They knew they were taking short cuts and didn’t care as long as they were exceeding profit expectations. These guys that run corporations and cut corners killing people are never held accountable just like Bush, Cheney, Libby and others in government who do wrong. What makes you think they wont be held accountable? And of course Bush and Cheney would be held accountable if they had done anything wrong. There is nothing that would bring joy to Obama and Holder more than prosecuting them, whether they could win or not. and Libby was held accountable and didnt do anything wrong other than refusing to make up lies when he couldnt remember something.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:16:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi What I find amusing is the two posters claiming this are both ones who seem to love bashing the US. All we need now is moony to come in and tell us how he agrees with them. You wont find my posts bashing the US in general. Bashing Bush or the rightwing nut jobsthen maybe.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:19:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Just wondering here....... If it wasn't for the fact that the US mid term elections are coming up, would America be as vociferous on this disaster as it is ? With the elections coming, could it be seen as the politicicians are making so much noise because they are using the disaster to promote their own careers ? In which case do they really give a shit, I mean it's not in their back yard, hardly affecting them, do they really care beyond what it can do for them. And this apparent British bashing, is there more to this than the fact that BP used to be British Petroleum and the Megrahi affair, could there be an ingrained dislike for the British from the past or is it certain politicians are creating memory for the Boston tea party and subsequent events to make political gain, in the case of look what the British did then and look what they have done now. But as regards to friends (?) British bashing, it gets reported over here too, we also hear it all and questions have already been raised over this special relationship the two nations are supposed to have, so much so PM Cameron has tried to tell us not to fret over what is being said about us, but PM Cameron, is not us, we have our own minds. BP's British affiliations has little to do with the level of the noise. It is the general anti-business sentiment of this administration, and the push back against it. It does make it a little safer for the Dems to raise hell about it though, since most Americans hear "British" and think "not American, cool, fuckem" not realizing fucking them is fucking ourselves.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:23:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy BP's British affiliations has little to do with the level of the noise. It is the general anti-business sentiment of this administration, and the push back against it. It does make it a little safer for the Dems to raise hell about it though, since most Americans hear "British" and think "not American, cool, fuckem" not realizing fucking them is fucking ourselves. Which doesnt explain the noise from Republican politicians.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:26:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy BP's British affiliations has little to do with the level of the noise. It is the general anti-business sentiment of this administration, and the push back against it. It does make it a little safer for the Dems to raise hell about it though, since most Americans hear "British" and think "not American, cool, fuckem" not realizing fucking them is fucking ourselves. Which doesnt explain the noise from Republican politicians. It doesnt? What GOP noise there has been has mostly been in the form of push back. (accusations of strongarming etc)

slvemike4u -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:32:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy BP's British affiliations has little to do with the level of the noise. It is the general anti-business sentiment of this administration, and the push back against it. It does make it a little safer for the Dems to raise hell about it though, since most Americans hear "British" and think "not American, cool, fuckem" not realizing fucking them is fucking ourselves. Which doesnt explain the noise from Republican politicians. What noise....the stupid fucking apology ? I'm surprised anyone see's a link between the bashing of BP with anti-sentiment.The damm eco-system of the Gulf has been imperiled by what many see as the criminal negligence of BP.Were this to have been Exxon-Mobil the outcry would be as loud. Personally my driving past a BP station, despite my gauge reading empty, has nothing to do with Britian itself...it has to do with a strong and pronounced distaste for this particular company and thier risky behavior!

jlf1961 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:37:14 AM)
Slvemike, you really need to calm down. You are going to give yourself an ulcer (been there done that dont recommend it.) Now, yes, BP should be held criminally accountable for what happened, I would even like to see the entire board of directors spend 25 to life in prison for the lives that were lost. But it will never happen. BP is suffering though, their stock prices are tumbling as people begin to sell off what is clearly a company with a serious problem. Now as long as the Republicans keep yelling "Drill Baby Drill" the democrats cant lose in November.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:39:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy It doesnt? What GOP noise there has been has mostly been in the form of push back. (accusations of strongarming etc) It is at this point that YOU normally tell people to use google.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:41:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Slvemike, you really need to calm down. You are going to give yourself an ulcer (been there done that dont recommend it.) Now, yes, BP should be held criminally accountable for what happened, I would even like to see the entire board of directors spend 25 to life in prison for the lives that were lost. But it will never happen. BP is suffering though, their stock prices are tumbling as people begin to sell off what is clearly a company with a serious problem. Now as long as the Republicans keep yelling "Drill Baby Drill" the democrats cant lose in November. Along with the directors of Union Carbide I take it ?

jlf1961 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:43:35 AM)
Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 11:47:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ?

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