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cloudboy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:54:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ? The New York Review of Books had an article by Will Pfaff about nationalizing BP assets. The rationale is that Corporate Structures have no real incentive to prioritize environmental cleanups, so by nationalizing BP assets and taking control of them, the money generated therefrom could go exclusively, extensively without interference to the Gulf Cleanup. As is, BP is arguably cow-towing to its shareholders and other corporate interests ahead of the disaster it created. I personally like the idea -- but I think it sets a dangerous and possibly even bad precedent.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 6:10:33 PM)
I have no shares in BP, I am not interested whether they thrive or fail, they do nothing for me, but the issue I have is where BP has suddely become British Petroleum in the eyes of America as if someone or some people wish to draw attention to the fact that this company is foreign, not American and with that British. Aside from your past, the forging of America, what beef have the Americans ever had with Britain, why are the British a problem, what is it your senators are trying to do ? I see a reasoning in this with BP and the current Megrahi affair, America it seems wants answers from the British where they were unusually silent when Megrahi was actually released on the grounds of compassion by the Scottish authorities. So a guy that was given three months to live has lasted longer, was it a conspiracy or is it simply that cancer does it's own thing in it's own time. The way I am understanding the news as I read it, it seems your senators believe a conspiracy despite what they are told, for they are just dying to link BP with the release of Megrahi obviously for the reason they can pour yet more scorn on this foreign company. But for what reason, why this sudden interest, why all the activity, what is it, a bunch of out of touch wealthy men believe different from the majority and seek justice, or has it just got to do with the mid term elections and how the electorate perceive them.

thishereboi -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 6:26:36 PM)
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rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 6:47:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Youre not usually this stupid but still. The name change took place ten years ago to reflect BP as a global based company, London based or not. You glibly overlook the fact that much of BP, shares and workforce, is American. The point I and others have made is as follows, why the consistant use of BRITISH petroleum. If you are too dumb to work out what I am saying there is not much point in debating nuances. To begin, you can start by learning the quote feature that CM so generously provides to prevent yourself from looking so dumb. But that was just a helpful hint. More to the point is why the British think this is some kind of vendetta against them.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 2:19:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife To begin, you can start by learning the quote feature that CM so generously provides to prevent yourself from looking so dumb. But that was just a helpful hint. More to the point is why the British think this is some kind of vendetta against them. I didnt think fixing my own quote made me look dumb, but thanks for the advice. I dont think its a vendetta, more trying to make it look as if the Gulf spill is the fault of the UK. It just stinks of doubles standards. We even had idiots on here suggesting you should nuke us, as I recall. I could print a list of comments but dont feel the need. I will single out a good example of what I mean though. Sarah Palin said foreign oil firms cant be trusted, this despite her husband being a BP production supervisor for 18 years. He only stopped working for BP last year. SO here we have an example of a politician using rhetoric for her own advantage, despite living the major part of her adult life off of work provided by BP. Hopefully some of you will figure out what we are trying to get at from this side of the pond.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 3:26:02 AM)
No I don't get it at all. From what I have seen you seem to be upset that we are calling BP British Petroleum. Somehow the news they were not the same didn't make it this side of the pond. Regardless of the word usage, they are responsible for one of the largest industrial disasters in history and I have a hard time understanding why criticizing them for it is seen as some sort of affront to your country.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 4:01:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife No I don't get it at all. From what I have seen you seem to be upset that we are calling BP British Petroleum. Somehow the news they were not the same didn't make it this side of the pond. Regardless of the word usage, they are responsible for one of the largest industrial disasters in history and I have a hard time understanding why criticizing them for it is seen as some sort of affront to your country. As everyone seems to say around here, Google is your friend, look it up, particularly look up UK news sources and you might see and understand what our news is telling us. Rightly or wrongly US media outlets are telling America what is happening, the same applies here and everywhere, reporters report.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 4:25:42 AM)
I have seen it. And I still don't understand. On one hand you want to dissociate yourselves from BP by pointing out they are no longer British Petroleum and on the other hand you want to defend them.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 4:55:30 AM)
Or could it be the fact that seeing as it has been established that BP is no longer British Petroleum, the current use of the term either shows a lack of education or an underlying current of anti British sentiment, which would be consistent with your current President's not so veiled attitude as can be discerned here People of Britain, British people, some, quite possibly an extreme minority have done some pretty shit things in the world, we know that, and yes, perhaps they do deserve condemnation, but those people are the same people of any country. Nationality is not a bar to shit actions, we all have them, but to later refer to something as of a certain nationality when it clearly isn't anymore, just what is that person really saying. It could be asked if your current president in his constant reference to British Petroleum is in fact uneducated or a hater of the British, which is it.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:06:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Or could it be the fact that seeing as it has been established that BP is no longer British Petroleum, the current use of the term either shows a lack of education or an underlying current of anti British sentiment, which would be consistent with your current President's not so veiled attitude as can be discerned here People of Britain, British people, some, quite possibly an extreme minority have done some pretty shit things in the world, we know that, and yes, perhaps they do deserve condemnation, but those people are the same people of any country. Nationality is not a bar to shit actions, we all have them, but to later refer to something as of a certain nationality when it clearly isn't anymore, just what is that person really saying. It could be asked if your current president in his constant reference to British Petroleum is in fact uneducated or a hater of the British, which is it. I've said this earlier in the thread but I'll say it again, I don't really care about where BP is based or what you want to call them, what I care about is millions of gallons of oil spilling into the Gulf and this hissy fit you Brits are having is just a distraction to solving the problem.

thishereboi -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:11:13 AM)
quote: I've said this earlier in the thread but I'll say it again, I don't really care about where BP is based or what you want to call them, what I care about is millions of gallons of oil spilling into the Gulf and this hissy fit you Brits are having is just a distraction to solving the problem. We are not always on the same side, but I totally agree with you on this one. If they get this worked up because someone said something bad about the british, it's a good thing they don't live in the states. People (including them) say shit about the US on a daily basis.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:42:14 AM)
The disaster happened, why it did so will no doubt be revealed, but it has happened, a past action, the mess caused will to all possibilities be cleaned up, even if a multi national corporation ends up going to the wall because of it, I care not if they do, as I see it as a very fitting warning to all corporations that ride rough shod over the planet we all live on. But one hopes this new action against corporations is not just limited to the western world where interests fuck up in our own back yard. But it seems with some that they seek to use the disaster as a vehicle for their own prejudices, they attempt to promote their own views by their position and public platform, they are, it comes across as pointing fingers at a nation, a nation who are not to blame, yet it comes across as such. Now I do understand there will be a lot of grand standing at the moment due to the mid term elections, but I do see something not very nice coming out of it, for I am aware such events as the Boston tea party have come up recently and on these forums too, there is a rise in nationalism and with that what usually accompanies nationalist ideals.

thishereboi -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:49:08 AM)
quote: I care not if they do, as I see it as a very fitting warning to all corporations that ride rough shod over the planet we all live on. Would you care if the spill had happened off the coast of England?

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:49:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin The disaster happened, why it did so will no doubt be revealed, but it has happened, a past action, the mess caused will to all possibilities be cleaned up, even if a multi national corporation ends up going to the wall because of it, I care not if they do, as I see it as a very fitting warning to all corporations that ride rough shod over the planet we all live on. But one hopes this new action against corporations is not just limited to the western world where interests fuck up in our own back yard. But it seems with some that they seek to use the disaster as a vehicle for their own prejudices, they attempt to promote their own views by their position and public platform, they are, it comes across as pointing fingers at a nation, a nation who are not to blame, yet it comes across as such. Now I do understand there will be a lot of grand standing at the moment due to the mid term elections, but I do see something not very nice coming out of it, for I am aware such events as the Boston tea party have come up recently and on these forums too, there is a rise in nationalism and with that what usually accompanies nationalist ideals. This is what fascinates me. This whole controversy that has come up by virtue of your media and politicians. Do you honestly believe that Americans hold you accountable for this? Or is it just that nationalism has outweighed common sense?

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:59:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin The disaster happened, why it did so will no doubt be revealed, but it has happened, a past action, the mess caused will to all possibilities be cleaned up And how long do you think it will take to clean up? Will it be in our lifetimes? But hey, as long as BP has pledged to clean it up then all's fair. Of course their legal department has already been conning naive fisherman into accepting $5,000 settlements for the promise of no further legal action. Meanwhile these fishermen will not be able to work for years while BP does their clean-up.

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 6:46:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: I care not if they do, as I see it as a very fitting warning to all corporations that ride rough shod over the planet we all live on. Would you care if the spill had happened off the coast of England? I don't believe you understand what I am saying here, but it is noticeable what you chose to omit from your quotation of my remarks is evident that you are trying to imply I am saying something other than what I am attempting to communicate. But for the record, oil has washed up on Britain's shores from things that sunk or otherwise went tits up, the Piper Alpha rig being one of them, a gas rig that disaster itself resulted in 167 deaths, no mention was made of who owned the rig and allowed the sloppy standards to lead to disaster, the operators of the rig were pilloried not the owners. In my own neck of the woods, the biggest oil disaster was the Torrey Canyon, a super tanker that contaminated 120 miles of the beautiful Cornish coastline and fifty miles of the Breton coastline. An old Pathe news report, but interesting just the same But at sea, it is taken ships sink from time to time for no one has conquered the sea to such an extent as it is completely tamed, a tanker is but one vessel that plies the waves amongst many, a disaster at sea is unfortunate, but is a disaster at sea and is treated as such. After the crew has been removed or attended to the vessel and it's cargo takes second place, if both can be saved all well and good, but sometimes that is not possible and everything comes to shore eventually, be it oil, timber or rubber bath toys. The Piper Alpha disaster was also attributed to lax operational procedures and cost cutting by the parent company. Lessons were supposed to have been learned from Piper Alpha, but it happened again with the DeepWater Horizon disaster, were the same mistakes repeated or is it our quest for this so valuable substance is in fact a very dangerous and life threatening activity with a potential to go disasterously wrong with apparent and un calculable ease at any time.

flcouple2009 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 11:02:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Youre not usually this stupid but still. The name change took place ten years ago to reflect BP as a global based company, London based or not. You glibly overlook the fact that much of BP, shares and workforce, is American. The point I and others have made is as follows, why the consistant use of BRITISH petroleum. If you are too dumb to work out what I am saying there is not much point in debating nuances. To begin, you can start by learning the quote feature that CM so generously provides to prevent yourself from looking so dumb. But that was just a helpful hint. More to the point is why the British think this is some kind of vendetta against them. Wow, should we go shopping for you a Charlie Brown shirt? You are starting to sound more like Sanity with a left bent every post now. What he is saying is the constant grilling of British Petroleum is getting old. The CEO was dragged before congress why? He didn't know a thing about that rig. The statements that have been made all over the internet in particular about how if this spill had happened in the North Sea it would have been capped in 2 days, but those Brits didn't care about our waters have gotten old to many Brits. The people responsible for this fiasco were American. Lets start shaking things around in the Houston where the head office of the American arm of BP is located. Those would be the people responsible for the short cuts and all of the choices that led to this disaster. Ultimately the entire corporation of BP is responsible for fixing the problem. But the problem started here with the way the American branch is run.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 12:09:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: flcouple2009 Wow, should we go shopping for you a Charlie Brown shirt? You are starting to sound more like Sanity with a left bent every post now. What he is saying is the constant grilling of British Petroleum is getting old. The CEO was dragged before congress why? He didn't know a thing about that rig. The statements that have been made all over the internet in particular about how if this spill had happened in the North Sea it would have been capped in 2 days, but those Brits didn't care about our waters have gotten old to many Brits. The people responsible for this fiasco were American. Lets start shaking things around in the Houston where the head office of the American arm of BP is located. Those would be the people responsible for the short cuts and all of the choices that led to this disaster. Ultimately the entire corporation of BP is responsible for fixing the problem. But the problem started here with the way the American branch is run. What is getting old is your antagonism over our disagreement on another thread. We are normally on the same side of the fence but since then you have been taking positions you normally would not.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 3:34:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife What is getting old is your antagonism over our disagreement on another thread. We are normally on the same side of the fence but since then you have been taking positions you normally would not. I think its more flc actually understands where we are comming from.

reynardfox -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/26/2010 5:36:04 PM)
BP is as british as a hot dog. most of it belongs to US investors, you savage BP and the funds will come out of the US pension funds as much as the UK ones. Company names mean bugger all.

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