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jlf1961 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:01:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ? Not much actually, except maybe getting some of the more loony of the loonytunes to shut up. BP put up 20 Billion for cleanup and economic compensation. Granted it may go higher, considering that the major part of the spill has yet to reach shore. All in all, this has been a disaster for the gulf states and a business disaster for BP.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:03:05 PM)
"All in all, this has been a disaster for the gulf states and a business disaster for BP." True on both counts jlf.

slvemike4u -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:13:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Slvemike, you really need to calm down. You are going to give yourself an ulcer (been there done that dont recommend it.) Now, yes, BP should be held criminally accountable for what happened, I would even like to see the entire board of directors spend 25 to life in prison for the lives that were lost. But it will never happen. BP is suffering though, their stock prices are tumbling as people begin to sell off what is clearly a company with a serious problem. Now as long as the Republicans keep yelling "Drill Baby Drill" the democrats cant lose in November. I'm confused as to why you are under the impression that I am anything but calm ? I assure you nothing said on a message board does anything but a)raise my level of disgust for certain posters b) bring a smile to my face where certain posters are concerned(sometimes the smile is due to certain posters a)stupidity or b) their overt racism...or c) their just fucking funny) c) complete apathy and d)admiration for the quality of the posters mind ,both in the content of their post and the framing of their argument. I assure you despite appearences their are no other options available...it's a message board.

jlf1961 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:16:29 PM)
Slvemike I was looking at your choice of wording in a post you made. There seemed to be a note of aggravation in it. If I was wrong I do apologize.

slvemike4u -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:18:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "All in all, this has been a disaster for the gulf states and a business disaster for BP." True on both counts jlf. Polite,I surely hope,despite jlf's misreading of my post,that you didn't take my post to mean any anger was directed your way. I have allways appreciated your contributions to these pages....hell,I wasn't actually pissed about your "dry humor" award the other day (though I still maintain that simply by dint of being British you should have been excluded from the competition...lol).

slvemike4u -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 12:20:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Slvemike I was looking at your choice of wording in a post you made. There seemed to be a note of aggravation in it. If I was wrong I do apologize. No worries....and no anger directed here...though I will admit the idea of that prick apologising to BP does make my blood boil a bit.....I suppose that bled thru....lol.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 3:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 "All in all, this has been a disaster for the gulf states and a business disaster for BP." True on both counts jlf. Polite,I surely hope,despite jlf's misreading of my post,that you didn't take my post to mean any anger was directed your way. I have allways appreciated your contributions to these pages....hell,I wasn't actually pissed about your "dry humor" award the other day (though I still maintain that simply by dint of being British you should have been excluded from the competition...lol). Indeed I wasnt Mike, to be honest its your politicians and some of the media. BP have and will take full respnsibility for this crap. The constant misuse of the term British Petroleum irks with some of us over here though.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 4:10:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Are you fucking serious? Do you have absolutely any concept of the damage that has been done to the Gulf and to the neighboring states? Yeah, it's just British-bashing. You used to have a degree of common sense but you've sunk to the level of the other conspiracy theorists on here. Despite the obvious enviromental damage, Aneirin makes a valid point. Politicians in the US make constant references to British Petroleum, this is despite the fact it dropped the "british" from its name when it merged with American oil companies. It is also 40% owned by Americans, with the work on the well being carried out by American firms, under direction from BP`s American arm. More Americans than British work for BP. Even the current row about Libya and Megrahi seems ungenuine to me. BP signed the deal to drill for oil in 2007, well before any release was thought of. In fact BP are on the executive advisory council of the US-Libya business association, along with several american oil firms, many of which have signed contracts with Libya. Despite all that many Senators are now making a point about BP being British. It just stinks of hypocracy watching US firms and politicians running for cover. None of what I have written is meant to detract from the enviromental disaster, its just a take on the business and political side of things. Edited to fix quotes. Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't really care who owns them. Whether they are American or British owned. It is your politicians that have made an issue of this and you have dutifully followed along. As for Aneirin, he not only claims that we are British-bashing but that the oil spill is being blown out of proportion for political reasons.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 4:16:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The constant misuse of the term British Petroleum irks with some of us over here though. And why is that? Were they not British Petroleum?

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 4:21:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The constant misuse of the term British Petroleum irks with some of us over here though. And why is that? Were they not British Petroleum? Yes, in much the same way you were British subjects.....Historically speaking. [8D]

Lucylastic -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 4:22:24 PM)
In my lil corner of the world, Ive not heard much british bashing, Heyward bashing yeah, but general brit bashing not a peep. courseI am opening myself up for some , but I can deal:)[:D]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:12:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ? Not much actually, except maybe getting some of the more loony of the loonytunes to shut up. That and stifle foreign investment in the US for years if not decades.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:15:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The constant misuse of the term British Petroleum irks with some of us over here though. And why is that? Were they not British Petroleum? Yes, in much the same way you were British subjects.....Historically speaking. [8D] Name change or not, their Int'l Headquarters are still in London. If the White House were in London your comparison would be spot on ;)

jlf1961 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:17:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ? Not much actually, except maybe getting some of the more loony of the loonytunes to shut up. That and stifle foreign investment in the US for years if not decades. In case you havent heard, there have been liberals proposing that BP's American Assets be placed in receivership in order to insure that the economic and ecological damages are paid.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:21:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Easy solution, and logical too. The United States needs to seize all BP assets in within the US and its territories. What would this absurd idea achieve ? Not much actually, except maybe getting some of the more loony of the loonytunes to shut up. That and stifle foreign investment in the US for years if not decades. In case you havent heard, there have been liberals proposing that BP's American Assets be placed in receivership in order to insure that the economic and ecological damages are paid. Liberals yes, the administration not that I know of. If they do, it would be a collossal mistake, costing the US far more than the cleanup costs that BP will pay whether in receivership or not.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:25:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The constant misuse of the term British Petroleum irks with some of us over here though. And why is that? Were they not British Petroleum? Yes, in much the same way you were British subjects.....Historically speaking. [8D] No kidding? So by changing their name from British Petroleum to BP everything changed. So if I change my name to my initials I can start a new life?

Aneirin -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:26:44 PM)
quote: Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't really care who owns them. Whether they are American or British owned. It is your politicians that have made an issue of this and you have dutifully followed along. As for Aneirin, he not only claims that we are British-bashing but that the oil spill is being blown out of proportion for political reasons. And what do you think ? Is it correct that certain senators who might be up for re election might be taking an issue which is very much in the American eye at the moment and using it to further their own interests, or is it they in their present capacity re elected or not are doing what they are doing for the good of the people ? For instance, the meeting of senators where they are going to discuss BP's possible involvement in the Megrahi affair, Scotland who have been invited to attend to give evidence have declined for the simple reason the Scottish government and the British government have stated there is no link, yet US senators believe different hence their demand that foreigners appear before them to be questioned. What is it with BP, what is the US interest, do you want to fuck them for everything they have got because they had the audacity to fuck up in American territory instead of other less newsworthy parts of the world, or what, as you must understand, crushing what is believed to be a foreign company will result in more jobs lost and families suffering in the US of A than here in Britain, as BP's majority workforce and holdings are in the USA. I personally do not understand the vehemence the US appears to hold for an employer of their own countrymen. In this day and age of jobs being lost, you should be guarding what you have, not seeking to destroy just because of a set of initials which at one time in the past meant something more. BP is an employer of US citizens and citizens with families and towns that depend on that employer.

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:31:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife No kidding? So by changing their name from British Petroleum to BP everything changed. So if I change my name to my initials I can start a new life? Youre not usually this stupid but still. The name change took place ten years ago to reflect BP as a global based company, London based or not. You glibly overlook the fact that much of BP, shares and workforce, is American. The point I and others have made is as follows, why the consistant use of BRITISH petroleum. If you are too dumb to work out what I am saying there is not much point in debating nuances.

rulemylife -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:40:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin quote: Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't really care who owns them. Whether they are American or British owned. It is your politicians that have made an issue of this and you have dutifully followed along. As for Aneirin, he not only claims that we are British-bashing but that the oil spill is being blown out of proportion for political reasons. And what do you think ? Is it correct that certain senators who might be up for re election might be taking an issue which is very much in the American eye at the moment and using it to further their own interests, or is it they in their present capacity re elected or not are doing what they are doing for the good of the people ? For instance, the meeting of senators where they are going to discuss BP's possible involvement in the Megrahi affair, Scotland who have been invited to attend to give evidence have declined for the simple reason the Scottish government and the British government have stated there is no link, yet US senators believe different hence their demand that foreigners appear before them to be questioned. What is it with BP, what is the US interest, do you want to fuck them for everything they have got because they had the audacity to fuck up in American territory instead of other less newsworthy parts of the world, or what, as you must understand, crushing what is believed to be a foreign company will result in more jobs lost and families suffering in the US of A than here in Britain, as BP's majority workforce and holdings are in the USA. I personally do not understand the vehemence the US appears to hold for an employer of their own countrymen. In this day and age of jobs being lost, you should be guarding what you have, not seeking to destroy just because of a set of initials which at one time in the past meant something more. BP is an employer of US citizens and citizens with families and towns that depend on that employer. What I think is this a tragedy. What I think is this is the fault of of BP and the other companies involved. What I think is this British outrage is nonsense based on self-interest because so many Brits hold shares in BP (not to be be confused with British Petroleum which was a different company, apparently).

Politesub53 -> RE: British Petroleums Criminal Liability for the Gulf Oil Spill (7/25/2010 5:48:49 PM)
RML, let me try and explain. "What I think is this British outrage is nonsense based on self-interest because so many Brits hold shares in BP (not to be be confused with British Petroleum which was a different company, apparently." Firstly, a large portion (40%) of the shares are held by Americans and or Americans companies. This isnt the point though. The point is, that since BP merged with American companies, it has been rebranded BP. Suddenly, SINCE the disaster, it is magically, British Petroleum. This is the point most Brits have an issue with. Im not even addressing the fact of which company will be responsible long term, BP or a contractor.

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