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That because they don't grow good pot in the North duh.

Without a doubt that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard in my life.

Then you must not read your own posts[8|]

You have obviously never sampled "california's finest"[:)]

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Ok, I've been ponderin' this and I think the only answer is to make Mexico the 51st state.

Beggin' the pardon of anyone who may have already mentioned this.

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Cadenas, S. Korea doesn't have all those problems , they have minefields. Those are Totally effective.

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We have been through this, thompson. Its not that cut and dry and you know it. As Master said to me last night "prove to me you are a US citizen". Anyone could gain access to a birth certificate, SS card, marriage license, ect. Thats all it takes to have "proof" and the employer is in the clear without having to know or admit a thing.

You only hit one that is acceptable to verify that you are a US citizen for your I-9.  That's your social security card.  The birth certificate and marriage license won't do you any good.  The other form of ID has to be a picture ID issued by a local, state or federal agency.  A state ID card, Driver's License, or active Military or dependent ID card is supposed to be your primary identification when filling out your tax forms with your employer.  There's even a nice little box on the I-9 form that goes into "what if my name doesn't match the one on the social security card/what if I don't have a printed social security card?"  Before you are even permitted to work, it is the responsibility of the potential employee to take themselves to the Social Security office to request a new card.  In return, they receive a letter stamped by that office saying that their card is being mailed to them.  That letter can serve as a temporary verification that they are eligible to be employed in the US.

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An immigrant/non US citizen is required to provied a Permanent Resident Card and Work permit number.

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They came the same way as any other group... work visas that expired and they never went home. Makes me think the work visa program needs to be redesigned.

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The amount of people coming in from the north illegally is marginal compared to the southern border. Anyone have numbers on this? I should research it later... How could it possibly not be? In Canada the infrastructure is nowhere near as terrible as it is in so many places in Mexico, so why *would* people be leaving there to come here? It doesn't make any sense. THAT is OBVIOUSLY why no one cares about protecting the border there as much- there's no problem with illegal immigration.

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Of course, there is one aspect that has not been addressed, the environmental impact of such a structure. The impact on local animals species would be considerable.

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Of course, there is one aspect that has not been addressed, the environmental impact of such a structure. The impact on local animals species would be considerable.

Actually, it has been addressed. Congress decided that the wall is exempt from most environmental regulations. Here in San Diego, they are planning to (or already did, I'm not sure) fill an environmentally sensitive canyon just to be able to build the fence.

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As far as I know, there is no such letter. Getting a replacement Social Security card can actually take months to do. For most people, it will be done in a matter of days. The problem is that Social Security workers don't have the expertise in immigration law. For instance, they sometimes falsely reject a Social Security application because the visa has expired (even though they should be looking at the I-94 instead. Would you have known that?)

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Cadenas, S. Korea doesn't have all those problems , they have minefields. Those are Totally effective.

Doesn't seem to be all that effective. South Korea had to cut Hanawon, their integration program for North Korean defectors because there were more than the program could handle. 2952 North Korean defectors arrived in South Korea in 2009.

Most apparently bypass the DMZ altogether and instead use the China-Laos-Thailand route. And that's even though the Chinese will return North Korean illegal immigrants (if they find them) back to North Korea, where they potentially face the death penalty.

Which goes to show that we have to fortify 20,000 miles of border and coastline, not just 2000 miles of land borders.

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Ok, I've been ponderin' this and I think the only answer is to make Mexico the 51st state.

Beggin' the pardon of anyone who may have already mentioned this.

That was tried once and shot down in the congress because the bigots thought that that many non white people would "dilute" the purity of the "white race"

…it is without example or precedent, wither to hold Mexico as a province, or to incorporate her into our Union. No example of such a line of policy can be found. We have conquered many of the neighboring tribes of Indians, but we have never thought of holding them in subjection—never of incorporating them into our Union. They have either been left as an independent people amongst us, or been driven into the forests.

I know further, sir, that we have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race. The greatest misfortunes of Spanish America are to be traced to the fatal error of placing these colored races on an equality with the white race. That error destroyed the social arrangement which formed the basis of society. The Portuguese and ourselves have escaped—the Portuguese at least to some extent—and we are the only people on this continent which have made revolutions without being followed by anarchy. And yet it is professed and talked about to erect these Mexicans into a Territorial Government, and place them on an equality with the people of the United States. I protest utterly against such a project.

Sir, it is a remarkable fact, that in the whole history of man, as far as my knowledge extends, there is no instance whatever of any civilized colored races being found equal to the establishment of free popular government, although by far the largest portion of the human family is composed of these races. And even in the savage state we scarcely find them anywhere with such government, except it be our noble savages—for noble I will call them. They, for the most part, had free institutions, but they are easily sustained among a savage people. Are we to overlook this fact? Are we to associate with ourselves as equals, companions, and fellow-citizens, the Indians and mixed race of Mexico? Sir, I should consider such a thing as fatal to our institutions.


Ironically this can be found here

http://www.davidduke.com/general/john-c-calhoun-vetoes-annexation-of-mexico_948.html

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(CBS) The number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has dropped by nearly 1 million, renewing the debate over what to do with those still in the country, according to a Los Angeles Times report Thursday.

The Department of Homeland Security reported that illegal immigrant population dropped to 10.8 million in 2009 compared to 11.6 million in 2008. It was the second consecutive annual decline and the largest in at least three decades.

"This represents a sharp break from the past, when pretty much the illegal population has continually grown," Steven Camarota, of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., think-tank that favors immigration restrictions, told the paper. "It shows illegal immigration is not inexorable."

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Ok, I've been ponderin' this and I think the only answer is to make Mexico the 51st state.

Beggin' the pardon of anyone who may have already mentioned this.

That was tried once and shot down in the congress because the bigots thought that that many non white people would "dilute" the purity of the "white race"

…it is without example or precedent, wither to hold Mexico as a province, or to incorporate her into our Union. No example of such a line of policy can be found. We have conquered many of the neighboring tribes of Indians, but we have never thought of holding them in subjection—never of incorporating them into our Union. They have either been left as an independent people amongst us, or been driven into the forests.

I know further, sir, that we have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race. The greatest misfortunes of Spanish America are to be traced to the fatal error of placing these colored races on an equality with the white race. That error destroyed the social arrangement which formed the basis of society. The Portuguese and ourselves have escaped—the Portuguese at least to some extent—and we are the only people on this continent which have made revolutions without being followed by anarchy. And yet it is professed and talked about to erect these Mexicans into a Territorial Government, and place them on an equality with the people of the United States. I protest utterly against such a project.

Sir, it is a remarkable fact, that in the whole history of man, as far as my knowledge extends, there is no instance whatever of any civilized colored races being found equal to the establishment of free popular government, although by far the largest portion of the human family is composed of these races. And even in the savage state we scarcely find them anywhere with such government, except it be our noble savages—for noble I will call them. They, for the most part, had free institutions, but they are easily sustained among a savage people. Are we to overlook this fact? Are we to associate with ourselves as equals, companions, and fellow-citizens, the Indians and mixed race of Mexico? Sir, I should consider such a thing as fatal to our institutions.


Ironically this can be found here

http://www.davidduke.com/general/john-c-calhoun-vetoes-annexation-of-mexico_948.html

These insecure, self righteous dicks drive me crazy, I suspect they only allow us useless German/Mic/Catholic types in on the white skin technicality then.....

Fuck David Duke, just for your knowledge, I support anyone coming here that does it legally, and thereby wants to contribute to the common good.


I have posted numerous times that I am not in favor of illegal immigration.
I have also pointed out that with the limited resources of the authorities the easiest and least expensive way to stop it is to sanction the employers.
Tazzy posted up that if one employes someone who has illegally entered the country that the penality is quite draconian. Something on the order of $250,000 and/or 5 years in the federal pen for each illegal hired.
Please note we are not talking about someone who hires someone, in good faith, with what appears to be proper documentation but those who after having been notified by the s/s that the paperwork is suspect do not take the proper measures to remediate the problem.

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I imagine those things you mentioned would stop illegal immigration from mexico, but no one will ever go for land mined areas and the like. I think a more practical solution would be to actually enforce our laws about hiring undocumented workers. In my college job I worked with several illegal aliens, meanwhile watching american citizens applying for the job and not getting them. It was not great. Also, we need to change our citizenship laws. Currently if someone is born on US soil, they are american, regardless of their parents nationality. So all a mexican woman, or any other illegal immigrant, has to do is give birth to a child on our soil and the child gets citizenship status. And lets face it, when aren't mexican gals pregnant? It should be changed so that at least one parent must be a citizen of the US. In my opinion at least.

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