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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/30/2010 1:45:54 PM   
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Or prehaps, let anchor babies gain citizenship AFTER (and if) the parent obtains it, but the anchor baby does expedite the parents chance of gaining citizenship (not automatic.  Doesnt american citizenship require criteria be met, etc?).



Just a quick primer on "anchor babies".
The anchor baby is a citizen at birth but cannot sponsor it's parents into the u.s. until it is 21. If the child has no one to take care of it in the u.s. then it goes back to the country where the parents are deported. When the child becomes emancipated or has someone to care for it in the u.s. then it may return to its native country...the u.s.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/30/2010 1:55:21 PM   
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Ah interesting. My understanding of anchor babies were more that illegal parents come in, drop a squad, pop a load, and the baby's citizenship keeps the parents in the country.  In all truth, if it works as presented above, I dont see anchor babies  being as much of an issue.  BUT then again we dont face that issue up here... Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada.  and we deported all of them.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/30/2010 1:57:09 PM   
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It would take a President Of The United States doing the right thing for once, is what it would take. ....instead of bowing to the corporations that want to enact the North American Union.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/30/2010 2:02:13 PM   
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Ah interesting. My understanding of anchor babies were more that illegal parents come in, drop a squad, pop a load, and the baby's citizenship keeps the parents in the country.  In all truth, if it works as presented above, I dont see anchor babies  being as much of an issue.  BUT then again we dont face that issue up here... Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada.  and we deported all of them.



If you question the validity of my statement then perhaps a couple of key strokes to google would satisfy you.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 7/30/2010 3:42:24 PM   
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Ah interesting. My understanding of anchor babies were more that illegal parents come in, drop a squad, pop a load, and the baby's citizenship keeps the parents in the country.  In all truth, if it works as presented above, I dont see anchor babies  being as much of an issue.  BUT then again we dont face that issue up here... Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada.  and we deported all of them.


Dont ever take anything thompsonx says at face value. Your understanding of what happens in the real world is correct. While tx may be technically correct, parents of anchor babies are rarely deported BECAUSE of the citizenship of the child.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/1/2010 2:54:35 PM   
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Ah interesting. My understanding of anchor babies were more that illegal parents come in, drop a squad, pop a load, and the baby's citizenship keeps the parents in the country.  In all truth, if it works as presented above, I dont see anchor babies  being as much of an issue.  BUT then again we dont face that issue up here... Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada.  and we deported all of them.


Dont ever take anything thompsonx says at face value. Your understanding of what happens in the real world is correct. While tx may be technically correct, parents of anchor babies are rarely deported BECAUSE of the citizenship of the child.



Do you only open your mouth to change feet.
I have proved you to be wrong on so many occasions that it is not even fun any more.
You are lying once again. The courts have ruled that having an "anchor baby" does not change the immigration status of the parents.



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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 3:02:12 AM   
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Hmmmm  it seems CRIME is down in AZ and has been going down for some time.  Put people like Kyl still fuel the fears of people.  According to the FBI "Far from being a “gross generalization,” as undocumented immigration has increased, crime in Arizona has dropped in almost every category — including property crime. FBI statistics show that Arizona’s overall crime rate dropped 12 percent last year and 23 percent between 2004 and 2008. More specifically, Media Matters reports that the Bureau of Justice Statistics shows that the per capita property crime rate in Arizona was lower in 2006, 2007, and 2008 than any year since 1968.

But still you have elected officials like Kyl spewing BS like this .."KYL: Well, that’s a gross generalization. Property crimes are up, certain violent crimes on certain parts of the citizenry are up. Phoenix is a very large source of kidnapping. It’s called the kidnapping capital of the United States…So there’s a great deal of violence and crime associated with illegal immigrants."

So once again the GOP throw the facts out the door, truth is not welcome in their world. 

the whole article  http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/01/kyl-crime-arizona/

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 4:51:54 AM   
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quote:

Just a quick primer on "anchor babies".


Sen. Linsey Graham (Rino-SC) said the other night that he was going to snonsor an Amendment to end birthright citienship. When a mealymouthed pusillanimous rino like Graham is on the warpath... Houston, we have a problem. Or,in this case, the open-borders crowd does.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 4:53:06 AM   
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Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada. and we deported all of them.


At last. I knew there was something about our hat we should emulate.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 4:55:31 AM   
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The courts have ruled that having an "anchor baby" does not change the immigration status of the parents


Thats probably correct, but our policy of nonenforcement makes the legal mumbojumbo, as they say in court, moot.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 11:56:48 AM   
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The courts have ruled that having an "anchor baby" does not change the immigration status of the parents


Thats probably correct, but our policy of nonenforcement makes the legal mumbojumbo, as they say in court, moot.


Perhaps you would like to post some validation for your opinion?

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 11:58:57 AM   
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quote:

Just a quick primer on "anchor babies".


Sen. Linsey Graham (Rino-SC) said the other night that he was going to snonsor an Amendment to end birthright citienship. When a mealymouthed pusillanimous rino like Graham is on the warpath... Houston, we have a problem. Or,in this case, the open-borders crowd does.



Please show where I have ever said I was in favor of open borders or illegal immigration. I have consistantly called for the cops to spend their limited resources where they would produce the most effective results....arresting those who hire those who cross the border illegally.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 12:02:45 PM   
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Ah interesting. My understanding of anchor babies were more that illegal parents come in, drop a squad, pop a load, and the baby's citizenship keeps the parents in the country.  In all truth, if it works as presented above, I dont see anchor babies  being as much of an issue.  BUT then again we dont face that issue up here... Only had a few americans illiegally immigrate to Canada.  and we deported all of them.

How about William Gibson? I was pretty sure he'd entered Canada illegally, but got citizenship not long after his fiction started taking off.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/2/2010 12:17:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

The courts have ruled that having an "anchor baby" does not change the immigration status of the parents


Thats probably correct, but our policy of nonenforcement makes the legal mumbojumbo, as they say in court, moot.


Perhaps you would like to post some validation for your opinion?


quote:

My commute to work is long fifty miles but it gives me time to reflect. It is 1987 and I am an obstetrical nurse working in the crowded San Fernando Valley. Tonight I drive to my job in “Labor and Delivery,” knowing the scenario before I arrive. Eight labor and delivery nurses will battle through the night in this very busy obstetrical unit. Our patients are 99% pregnant illegal alien women who have broken United States immigration law to have an American citizen child.

This will be their families’ ticket of entry into the United States. For them, no pesky visa applications, no waiting in line for several years like so many thousands that enter this country through the front door. Pregnant Third World women have discovered that the only thing they have to do is cross the U.S./Mexico border. The Fourteenth Amendment is their ticket.

It is now seventeen years later and things have worsened. The babies I helped deliver are older teenagers. When they turn 21, they will be eligible to bring their family members from Mexico and Central America, i.e., chain migration on an ever-accelerating spinning wheel. Whole industries have now developed around abusing the Fourteenth Amendment.

Pregnant Korean tourists come to the U.S. on travel Visas to have their "anchor" babies. Coyotes dealing in human traffic are paid $1,500.00 to $25,000.00 per person to shuttle pregnant illegal aliens across our southern border. Our politicians and elites wink at this blatant law breaking and do nothing. The colonization of our country continues with the cooperation of our government. None dare call it treason.

The Fourteenth Amendment: It's a simple document, a constitutional amendment drafted after the Civil War to assure that newly emancipated black slaves would never be denied citizenship by the States. The drafters had no idea that years later it would be used to make a mockery of our immigration laws. Alan Wall, an American journalist living in Mexico states, "An illegal alien can cross the border, have a baby five minutes later, and that baby is automatically declared a citizen of the USA automatically!

The illegal aliens don't have to go through any legal doors. They are exempt from all that. They are, in fact, rewarded for disobeying U.S. laws by having their children granted automatic citizenship. In addition, the happy family is entitled to welfare benefits. And, illegal alien parents who have children born in the U.S. are seldom deported . That's why their children are called "anchor babies" - they anchor their families securely in the USA.


http://www.examiner.com/x-3515-Denver-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2009m7d14-ANCHOR-BABIES-BORN-IN-THE-USAThe-Abuse-of-the-Fourteenth-AmendmentPART-I

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/3/2010 2:50:17 AM   
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(Thanks for the laugh Ron, I needed that. Watsonville is just a short ride north of here and in this area we have farm land a plenty with both long term and seasonal workers.)

General reply to the subject,

jlf1961 and Lady Pact have done a good job at outlining the basic costs in terms of personnel and equipment, julia makes good points about the drug wars, animus rex is right about the market place and globalization, Marini has good ideas about having prisoners do the labor, popeye, I don't want f.....ing land mines on our borders! What else, cadenas makes good points about legalities, orfunboi mentions the slave labor, and no, a culture does not stop at a border. And previous building of border fences has in fact employeed...illegal workers from Mexico! ta-da!

I have reservations about militarizing the Southern US/Mexico border but the increasing violence from the drug cartels makes me think this is a potential reality.

Some of the issues I have not seen addressed here -

Teaching and training the border personnel in both English and Spanish.

How to combat the corrupting influence of the drug cartel's money.
Would US troops be less likely to be tempted by the bribes, blackmail, kidnapping and extortion?

How successful would a joint US/Mexico military operation be given that most people in Mexico itself do not trust their own police force because of corruption?

How to maintain a safe and efficient flow between border towns of workers, produce, manufactured goods, etc. San Diego/Tijuana, Brownsville/Matamoros, etc.

How much would the current infrastrure have to be increased and improved?

Currently there are 42 border crossings and approx. 12 million people live in this region.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_%E2%80%93_United_States_border


Take a look at this report from 2005 .

Crossborder Freight Movements: Economic Impacts of Border Delays

Delays in getting trucks carrying freight across the Otay Mesa and Tecate international border crossings cost the U.S. and Mexico binational economy to lose a staggering $6 billion and more than 51,000 jobs during 2005.

Two-hour or longer delays in freight movement at the Otay Mesa-Mesa de Otay and Tecate-Tecate ports of entry are significantly impacting productivity, industry competitiveness, and lost business income at the regional, state, and national level.

It is estimated that at today’s level of processing time at the border – about two hours per truck – San Diego County loses $455 million in annual revenue from reduced freight activity. This translates into more than 2,400 jobs or $131 million in lost labor income a year.

The overall impact at the state level is $716 million in output losses and $204 million in labor income losses (or more than 3,600 jobs). For the United States, total output losses are estimated at $1.3 billion and employment losses at 7,646 jobs.

However, the overall economic impacts of delaying trucks at the border are substantially higher on the Mexican side of the border than the American side. For Baja California, total output losses amount to $1.317 billion and 6,929 jobs annually. For Mexico, total impact is estimated at $2.069 billion in lost output and 10,889 fewer jobs.

http://www.sandag.org/index.asp?projectid=253&fuseaction=projects.detail



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OK, now, lets get a fucking head count before we go any further here, so we know what we are dealing with.

How many of you folks are unemployed?  How many of you are loading your cars for az to get a job mowing lawns and trimming cacti, or are heading out to watsonville to cut lettuce?



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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/3/2010 6:14:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

The courts have ruled that having an "anchor baby" does not change the immigration status of the parents


Thats probably correct, but our policy of nonenforcement makes the legal mumbojumbo, as they say in court, moot.


Perhaps you would like to post some validation for your opinion?


quote:

My commute to work is long fifty miles but it gives me time to reflect. It is 1987 and I am an obstetrical nurse working in the crowded San Fernando Valley. Tonight I drive to my job in “Labor and Delivery,” knowing the scenario before I arrive. Eight labor and delivery nurses will battle through the night in this very busy obstetrical unit. Our patients are 99% pregnant illegal alien women who have broken United States immigration law to have an American citizen child.

This will be their families’ ticket of entry into the United States. For them, no pesky visa applications, no waiting in line for several years like so many thousands that enter this country through the front door. Pregnant Third World women have discovered that the only thing they have to do is cross the U.S./Mexico border. The Fourteenth Amendment is their ticket.

It is now seventeen years later and things have worsened. The babies I helped deliver are older teenagers. When they turn 21, they will be eligible to bring their family members from Mexico and Central America, i.e., chain migration on an ever-accelerating spinning wheel. Whole industries have now developed around abusing the Fourteenth Amendment.

Pregnant Korean tourists come to the U.S. on travel Visas to have their "anchor" babies. Coyotes dealing in human traffic are paid $1,500.00 to $25,000.00 per person to shuttle pregnant illegal aliens across our southern border. Our politicians and elites wink at this blatant law breaking and do nothing. The colonization of our country continues with the cooperation of our government. None dare call it treason.

The Fourteenth Amendment: It's a simple document, a constitutional amendment drafted after the Civil War to assure that newly emancipated black slaves would never be denied citizenship by the States. The drafters had no idea that years later it would be used to make a mockery of our immigration laws. Alan Wall, an American journalist living in Mexico states, "An illegal alien can cross the border, have a baby five minutes later, and that baby is automatically declared a citizen of the USA automatically!

The illegal aliens don't have to go through any legal doors. They are exempt from all that. They are, in fact, rewarded for disobeying U.S. laws by having their children granted automatic citizenship. In addition, the happy family is entitled to welfare benefits. And, illegal alien parents who have children born in the U.S. are seldom deported . That's why their children are called "anchor babies" - they anchor their families securely in the USA.


http://www.examiner.com/x-3515-Denver-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2009m7d14-ANCHOR-BABIES-BORN-IN-THE-USAThe-Abuse-of-the-Fourteenth-AmendmentPART-I

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You are often capable of posting good research why do you post this bigoted garbage?
This is nothing but opinion with no validation.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/4/2010 12:13:54 PM   
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Anchor babies, illegal workers all brings us back to the initial question.

What do we do about the southern border with mexico?

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/4/2010 4:06:02 PM   
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The whole U.S.-Mexico border could be sealed with as few as 100 helicopters equipped with FLIR (forward looking infrared) scopes, and a few hundred men equipped with state of the art sensors, scopes and other electronics. There are those who would argue that this is a violation of Posse Comitatus. That's ridiculous. Posse Comitatus prohibits the use of troops for domestic law enforcement. Border security is not domestic law enforcement. It is protecting our nation from foreign intruders. Besides, Posse Comitatus was passed in 1878, yet the U.S. Cavalry continued to patrol the U.S. Mexico Border until 1924. If Congress intended Posse Comitatus to prevent the military from securing our nation, the cavalry wouldn't have continued on the border for another 46 years. I once brought up that fact to U.S. Representative Jim Kolbe at a Town Hall meeting in which he stated that Posse Comitatus prevented the U.S. Military from securing our border. Jim Kolbe reacted with a look on his face like he had been photographed in a compromising position in a gay bath house. He has never again used Posse Comitatus as an excuse not to use the military on the border.


source

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/4/2010 4:52:18 PM   
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Anchor babies, illegal workers all brings us back to the initial question.

What do we do about the southern border with mexico?



As I have mentioned previously all that is necessary is for the cops to enforce the existing laws against employing those who cross the border illeglly. A few well publicized exploits of the big guys going to the federal slam for a couple of hundred years and multi million dollar fines should cause a sucking sound (that sound would be millions of illegals headed south.) of course that would not make the bigots happy because what they seem to want is a pile of dead mexican bodies not a solution to the problem.

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RE: What would it take to actually secure the border wi... - 8/4/2010 6:30:23 PM   
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Actually, I would take a dual approach, secure the border and also prosecute those who hire illegals.

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